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Post by welshwizard on Apr 12, 2009 22:24:23 GMT
keep it clean please
dont use names !
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Post by joules on Apr 17, 2009 21:10:25 GMT
I think that if the child is eligible age wise to compete in L/R and F/R ,I don't see a problem with them doing both classes.We should be encouraging our young riders, not discouraging them.
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Post by perfect on Apr 17, 2009 21:57:44 GMT
I agree joules, my grandaughter is only just 6 she been to 4 shows now doing fyfr and isnt doing to bad, but if anything happens to upset her(a fall) what do i do then if she cant do lead rein to get her confidence back. we did a riding club last week and the child who won was a rather grown up child who really you would have said "no way in this class", she won this and then did the fr and won that also, but she broke no rules and you could see she was nervous, so whay shouldnt they do both. they are only little ones at the end of the day and they all have to learn...
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Post by squirly on Apr 19, 2009 20:30:18 GMT
why not? I think winning on lead rein at the same time as doing first ridden gives the children more confidence.
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Post by 4emms on Apr 20, 2009 10:00:07 GMT
The only problem is that there's always one (mother) who doesn't know when to stop. So the kids are perfectly capable of eg. group canter, open classes, full ringcraft skills and bold as brass but will still be entered in LR and FYFR. IMO this is when the spirit of the class is not adhered to and it causes resentment. Yes, many children ride off lead at home but would still not be capable of riding a show alone, too many things to think about and nerves play a big part. Pity the judge who gets it in the neck from other competitors because (s)he picks the same child to win each class as they are obviously the most capable. How the hell can they acknowledge or justify their decision in this situation without someone giving them a hard time.
There needs to be the opportunity for more transition classes, but restricted, so that those who are perfectly capable do not dent the confidence of the ones coming up from LR.
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Post by ponymum on Apr 20, 2009 10:04:54 GMT
Showing is governed by rules, a child who rides in lr and fr, must still be within the rules set out, therefore thats fine by me..  |
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Post by marypom on Apr 20, 2009 21:12:49 GMT
ditto
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Post by nici on Apr 20, 2009 22:43:04 GMT
I think it's perfectly acceptable during the transition period for a child, which may take a year or even two for some kids. However I do think it's "outside the spirit of good sportsmanship" (while being perfectly within the show rules for many organisations) for a child to go straight from a lead rein equitation class, for example, into an open showing class. The child has obviously progressed through the FR transition if he/she is capable of group canters etc, so doing LR Equitation as well just doesn't feel right to me.
It won't be a decision I have to make for my daughter though, as a week ago she announced that she never wants to ride on the lead rein again, so did her first ever proper FR show yesterday. She's 5 years old...! It was a very nervous few minutes for me, but I'm very happy now to consign my LR outfit to the dustbin!
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Post by witchunter95 on Apr 20, 2009 23:18:13 GMT
slightly off topic, but I wish there was a rule that included kids who have only just started riding, my son wants to do 'something' at shows but he's 10, and not ready to go it alone, but can only do novelty classes   |
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Post by nici on Apr 21, 2009 6:23:26 GMT
I'm a member of a small club in the north west, and I sponsor a Total Beginners class at our shows, which is open to beginners of all ages, and run rather like FYFR. Group walk only, individual show to include walk and trot - canter optional, rider may be accompanied (but not assisted) in the ring. All competitors get a lovely multi-tiered rosette (not a tiny "Special").
Perfect for your son - and lots of other people starting in the sport, for whom main showing classes are just too daunting.
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Post by lizzie on Apr 21, 2009 8:20:17 GMT
I'm a member of a small club in the north west, and I sponsor a Total Beginners class at our shows, which is open to beginners of all ages, and run rather like FYFR. Group walk only, individual show to include walk and trot - canter optional, rider may be accompanied (but not assisted) in the ring. All competitors get a lovely multi-tiered rosette (not a tiny "Special"). Perfect for your son - and lots of other people starting in the sport, for whom main showing classes are just too daunting. I can highly recomend these shows especially for children and novices. I did a whole season with this club last year and the atmosphere is so relaxed and happy no pressure or back biting etc. One of my ponies is now on loan to a girl who is an experienced rider but has never owned or loaned or competed a pony so she will be coming to do this beginners class as when it comes to showing she is a complete beginner. |
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Post by aphrodite on Apr 21, 2009 12:12:53 GMT
...... but I'm very happy now to consign my LR outfit to the dustbin! LMAO ;D ;D ;D You are far braver than most mums but trusting the pony is paramount and Bridget is an absolute poppet for her now very capable little rider.  Modified to add - yes I think kids who are very obviously just off the LR should be able to have a go in both classes.  |
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Post by ShowPonies&Shetlands on Apr 23, 2009 18:43:52 GMT
well when i was 11 i went to my first show on my hyper half-arab gelding, and although i would happily gallop, jump, and herd sheep off lead rein at home, i went on the lead rein for my first few shows, as i was worried what Teddy would do, ( we were told NEVER to take him to shows - he was too naughty) and i was petrified of riding around a ring by myself. however, because i was over the age limit for lead rein, i could only do novelty classes and veteran. i think kids should be able to enter lead rein older, if they need to/ are too scared to go off the lead.
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Post by torgrosset on May 22, 2009 19:25:33 GMT
I agree I think there needs to be more transition classes. My daughters are only 5 & 3, so still on LR, however the eldest is just starting to ride on her own (off LR) at home. I'm dreading the day she goes into FR classes. It is such a big ask of little children to do FR at shows, especially those with home produced ponies and in their first or second year FR.
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Post by nativeponies on May 22, 2009 21:46:33 GMT
remember the days well!! yes i think its fine, is a completely different kettle of fish competing in a ring to riding at home and to me watching a first ridden class is more scary than watching the workers!! lots of little novice kids going in every direction, up each others bums...wow...to this day i do not know how i watched it!! lol so think the kids, most of them, would be just as nervous if not more! Is good for them to go back on the lead rein if feeling a little nervous, we did stay in lead reins til she was ready, just schooled off lead at home and then moved straight into first riddens, but my child has always been confident and i hated the lead rein outfit!!! nothing wrong with doing both, unless child is totally capable of doing the opens etc |
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Post by Ziggy on May 25, 2009 12:02:46 GMT
I know I am going to be shot down for this so I apologise beforehand. We are all allowed to our opinion, I hope.
I don't really think it is fair for children to do both lead rein and first ridden. Often children who do both are much better riders than the tiny tots under 6 who may not even have mastered rising trot. Therefore they have an advantage as they can get thier ponies going better. There does need to be more transition type classes not sure of what type though. What would be nice too is more classes for very tiny tots who just walk thier ponies. Had one class at a show near us last month called angels on horseback for children under 6 at walk only. Ponies judged on thier manners and suitability for such young children. Some children in lead rein are only four (or less) it surely is harder for them to keep up with six or seven year olds?
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Post by tuppence on May 25, 2009 13:41:15 GMT
Sometimes in LR classes it actually counts against the pony if the child can actually ride.
I like to see a little dot on a well behaved pony rather than a bigger child who is obviously riding the pony.
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Post by nativeponies on May 25, 2009 14:05:02 GMT
who really cares about how old or good the child onboard is...it is not the child being judged in either a first ridden or lead rein class...it is the pony!!! a pony who should be safe in any given circumstance, a lead rein pony should take the child, a child should take the first ridden pony!!! in first riddens for m&m the max age for the child is 12, the minimum is 4 as far as i know, so is it fair for 4 and 12 year olds to be judged together? totally!! as long as it is the pony being judged NOT the rider...the child in these classes is an accessory to accompany said ponies!! sorry but its true and if a judge is judging the rider, well they shouldnt be judging these classes as that is what equitation classes are there for!!
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Post by ellieraga on May 26, 2009 10:41:34 GMT
I do not see a problem with a child when maybe in there last year of lead rein also doing first ridden, at the end of the day they have got to start some where and need to gain the ring experience when going solo for the first time  What annoys me is people saying oh you shouldnt be doing both or your child is to good to be doing lead rein classes, at the end of the day if we have a child and a pony then get out there at home and get practising, child didnt become a good rider overnight !!! At the end of the days it takes hours of hard work getting child and pony going nicely so lets give them some encouragement and not knock them when they are doing well. I have stood for many an hour watching my daughter trying to master a figure of eight at the canter |
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Post by nativeponies on May 26, 2009 11:11:15 GMT
my daughter was always taught to ride properly on the lead rein, she was tiny when she started..she had a lovely rising trot and knew how to keep her young pony in an outline, very tidy little rider, i would much rather see any age of child having some involvement rather than sitting there bouncing around and hands all over the place, even on the quitest of ponies, but as i said this shouldnt be judged, it does however help if they can ride the pony properly when going into first riddens, i dreaded watching the first riddens every time and it took alot of practice over 3 years, just as we got the hang she is now too old!! except m&ms til january
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Post by ellieraga on May 26, 2009 11:41:21 GMT
I know everyone has to start somewhere but can not understand parents taking kids into a showing class when obviousley they can not ride and have had no practice or even know the basics of riding !!!!!
At the end of the day it takes a lot of time and commitment, so take the kids out hacking on the lead, ride with friends etc so they learn the basics before going in the show ring, thats if they want to
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Post by nativeponies on May 26, 2009 11:54:32 GMT
i totally agree!! the things some ponies have to put up with!! thats a whole new thread though! |
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Post by wyndham on Sept 6, 2009 18:29:57 GMT
I think if children are the correct age to do both then thats fine,how ever i do think L/R ponies should go at the end of the lead with no rider help, and not drag the leaders around the ring,which seems to be the case at bsps this weekend.
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Post by caroline1278 on Sept 7, 2009 13:06:03 GMT
I do agree with children riding in both classes to gain experience and still get confidence from being on the lead rein, however, I do believe that children that compete in open classes shouldn't be in first ridden as well as it go against the whole idea of the class.
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Post by joules on Sept 7, 2009 13:19:21 GMT
wyndham,we were there ,and could not agree with you more ,I would say you could count on one hand the real genuine child's pony, and this was in a class of 18 ponies.
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Post by cheekychops on Sept 7, 2009 17:28:24 GMT
I think there should be a transitional class aswell. Ponies uk do a fyfr but other than that you may have a 6 year old in with a 12 yr old. If its within the rules its fine but at the day there are sometimes millions of kids in these classes so subdivision would be practical.
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Post by boots & saddles on Sept 12, 2009 14:10:49 GMT
i do not think its fair if a child rides in lead rein then first ridden on the same pony ,if there parents trust the pony to ride off then stop holding them back and let them get on with it.
if thats not breaking any rules then they need to be changed,
pot hunting springs to mind ,when my kids could ride off a lead rein thats what they did ,even though if i kept them on they would off won far more its not always about winning.
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Post by winston on Sept 13, 2009 9:05:03 GMT
Often little jockeys do both classes because they can, and who can blame them for wanting two rosettes to take home. My daughter is in her last year of M&M first ridden, but has competed in open riddens for the last two years, because she can. I must say it is not only because she wants two rosettes to take home, but because she likes to gallop and beat the adults!
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Post by vgs on Sept 13, 2009 10:05:51 GMT
My daughter is 7 and is doing both. Obviously the FR is not of a high standard as she is competing against (up to) 12 year olds. It's not about getting prizes in both, it's just she is in the transition stage at the moment.
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Post by Milliesmum on Sept 13, 2009 10:09:37 GMT
I think you should be able to do both classes if you are in your first year of first riddens, after a year in the class you should have built enough confidence to leave the lead rein behind. And I don't think that should be restricted by age, children are ready to start first riddens at different ages.
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