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Post by carlson on Jun 16, 2009 8:22:48 GMT
I totally agree it's time to move on and think about the next show!!!!! Not sure why you are making such a fuss, I can assure you when there are two judges anything can happen, but it's so nice for them if they have both given the winner the highest mark, it really shows that they liked the same ponies, and I know that this happened in at least two of the classes. Just to finish those of you that have been following the HOYS classes for a few years would know that Gemma has ridden the Nebo horse before, at Monmouth if I remember right, so how can you say she was only put on for this show, don't we all need substiute jockeys from time to time, and certainly wish I could get one like Gemma.
Get training for the next show, it might be your lucky day!!!!!! I totally agree that the Derbyshire Festival was a lovely show, and congratulations to all those involved.
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Post by tafsmum on Jun 16, 2009 8:24:41 GMT
I believe that nebo was given another jockey as he probably did stand a good chance of winning, after all everyone that gives my pony good marks this year is going down in my little book and i will try and revisit these judges next year isnt that what we all do. I certainly have not and will not go under 3 judges again who didnt like my pony - i would be wasting my money! For the record the ride judge pointed out my cob to the confo judge who marked him relatively low whereas the ride judge gave him extremely good marks so maybe it was she not he!! Dont misinterpret this post I enjoyed the day on sunday and whether or not other ponies deserved to win or not i couldnt comment. It is getting to the stage where it is impossible to pick a winner in the d classes they are so many varieties to the breed and i havent seen a poor show done by one horse in the 2 qualifiers i have been to. Any other class you can generally pick your winner! The judges can only go on what they like and thats not always the same as what others do. Well done judges a difficult ring to judge and the high marks given to most confirms the standard of animal coming to the qualifiers and i think thats a positive. As previous posts have suggested anybody and everybody are turning up to do the hoys classes and that the standard is poor. Well for those that believe it, think again it is far from a poor standard
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Post by JadeCannon on Jun 16, 2009 8:38:36 GMT
Lovely show - well organised, I would have just liked to have seen the HOYS M&M Classes placed to 10th place. I feel when there are well in excess of 15 entries its surely worthwhile placing to 10th??? I am pretty sure I will never win a HOYS class but I was placed 8th at PUK West Mids, and that made it worth the journey!
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Post by cleopatra on Jun 16, 2009 9:30:04 GMT
having read this thread from start to finish, i now think its time to stop sl*****g off these judges, its there decission on the day if you dont like it dont go showing , another day a different judge and prob a difff decission.
you have to remember all these judges give up there time for free and becuase they enjoy to judge these shows. some people on here are doing a good job of putting these people off judging, my veiw if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen, i for one could'nt stand in a ring from 830 in the morning till 5pm in all weathers watching hundreds of horses go by, they may not do the right thing but thats their decission
judges do read this site and some comments on here can be v v upsetting remember that
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 16, 2009 9:36:58 GMT
we were at a show sunday, boiling hot, i only had a t shirt on and was struggling to remain on my feet for what was a long day, how the 2 judges in the workers managed it, all suited up, i do not know, they didnt get a break and the entries were huge!! Well done to ALL judges who give us these opportunities.
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Post by agent on Jun 16, 2009 10:28:10 GMT
I loved the C mare that won the Hoys class, beautifully produced and went like a dream, worthy winner. Personally cant comment on the D class as i know nothing about these people, although if there are connections between judges and competitors like has been said surely they shouldnt show under them?!?! I would be interested to know (as a new judge) what people's opinions of "connections" are - apart from those in the rule book already Would not want to have these accusations and allegations thrown at me like this - as an unpaid supporter of showing. Does this mean that I should not judge my friends? There will be no-one in the class then ;D
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Post by hairys on Jun 16, 2009 10:31:46 GMT
I was in the D's and i was sooo happy with my lad in his first qualifier and the first time he's been in a class with more then 12 in! I felt i did a good show and i was rewarded for it with a mark of 45 which i was really pleased with. I wasnt so happy with my conf mark as i know theres nothing wrong with my pony but if he wasnt the judges type then he wasnt her type and i know not to put him under her again, not the end of the world. I thought it was a really lovely well run show, lorries were parked well, lots of warming up space and for such large classes in the M&M's there was still plenty of space to do a good show. Well done Derbyshire Festival see you next year! ;D
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Post by tafsmum on Jun 16, 2009 10:35:02 GMT
I loved the C mare that won the Hoys class, beautifully produced and went like a dream, worthy winner. Personally cant comment on the D class as i know nothing about these people, although if there are connections between judges and competitors like has been said surely they shouldnt show under them?!?! How lucky that you have so many friends, however it does open yourself up for disgruntled competitors to snipe and complain if you are judging and placing your friends. I am on a yard where there is a judge also keeps hers there i wouldnt go under her as this would create "connection" even though i barely know the lady in question. When we did local last year with my son his instructer judged him in 2 classes and the championship which he won. I felt very awkward about josh winning those classes and could quite easily have settled for 2nd/3rd in one of the classes it was just a bit awkward. Obviously Josh loved it he got a sash! I would be interested to know (as a new judge) what people's opinions of "connections" are - apart from those in the rule book already Would not want to have these accusations and allegations thrown at me like this - as an unpaid supporter of showing. Does this mean that I should not judge my friends? There will be no-one in the class then ;D
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Post by tafsmum on Jun 16, 2009 10:37:30 GMT
I was in the D's and i was sooo happy with my lad in his first qualifier and the first time he's been in a class with more then 12 in! I felt i did a good show and i was rewarded for it with a mark of 45 which i was really pleased with. I wasnt so happy with my conf mark as i know theres nothing wrong with my pony but if he wasnt the judges type then he wasnt her type and i know not to put him under her again, not the end of the world. I thought it was a really lovely well run show, lorries were parked well, lots of warming up space and for such large classes in the M&M's there was still plenty of space to do a good show. Well done Derbyshire Festival see you next year! ;D Which was your D? You had the same results as me for ride not sure on confo as dont know what you got? But its interesting to compare
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Post by Guestless on Jun 16, 2009 10:37:59 GMT
I would be interested to know (as a new judge) what people's opinions of "connections" are - apart from those in the rule book already Would not want to have these accusations and allegations thrown at me like this - as an unpaid supporter of showing. Does this mean that I should not judge my friends? There will be no-one in the class then ;D I think we have debated that one before but I'll start a thread in the Lounge Area.
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Post by Twilight. on Jun 16, 2009 11:50:55 GMT
I have read this post over and over again and feel saddened that so many people wish to make uneccesary and inaccurate comments about two very senior and respected M & M judges. All three of my children have been under these judges on numerous occasions from LR and FR to Hoys WHP. They have sometimes done well and sometimes not so well but when they and their ponies have performed well they have been rewarded . I am absolutely sure that none of the winners inthe Hoys classes performed badly if they had they would have been down the line . When you have been showing along time you get to know lots of people some who will be judges - thats life it doesnt mean that to go under them you are breaking any rules - the rules are explicit about when you cant show under certain judges. I say well done to the winners and thankyou to our judges.
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Post by derbyfestival on Jun 16, 2009 12:20:43 GMT
I would be interested to know (as a new judge) what people's opinions of "connections" are - apart from those in the rule book already Would not want to have these accusations and allegations thrown at me like this - as an unpaid supporter of showing. Does this mean that I should not judge my friends? There will be no-one in the class then ;D Would you feel comfortable judging someone who was not only your friend, but had ridden for you previously, including last year?
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Post by Harrie on Jun 16, 2009 13:34:19 GMT
If it's more than 12 months ago what's the problem?
i find it much more difficult judging friends and almost always land up putting them lower than needed!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by tafsmum on Jun 16, 2009 13:37:27 GMT
If it's more than 12 months ago what's the problem? i find it much more difficult judging friends and almost always land up putting them lower than needed!!!!!!!!!!! Whats the benefit of that then if i deserved to be further up the line up and you put me lower i'd be a bit annoyed at my so called friend - with that in mind asit works both ways i think its shouldnt b e allowed any connection should mean not competing in the same class as the "connected judge" it makes it more difficult on both parties
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Post by Guestless on Jun 16, 2009 14:07:50 GMT
We have a "connections" thread in the Lounge now - can you please use that for relevant posts and keep this thread for discussing the actual show in question.
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Post by lexy on Jun 16, 2009 15:25:06 GMT
That is excellent news ! She is a lovely mare, and her sire is Floreat Fun who was bred by my mum (Sarah Page). Fun was ex another Floreat home bred pony too - Floreat Rheabird (by Llanarth Rheinault, also sire of Floreat Angie who went to Olympia). We saw her last year at NPS Spring Festival in ridden class and really admired her there. Congrats to her owner & rider too As for Nebo Joni Jones - well I was not there on the day so cant comment on how he compared in his performance and to others in the class, but I do think he is a lovely cob and usually at least goes v well. He was in the WIndsor Olympia class recently (3rd) and I was admiring him then. Lexy
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Post by caballo on Jun 16, 2009 19:02:04 GMT
Really feel I need to stand up for Adele and Joni here...
Mr Northern has previously judged Joni at Lampeter Stallion Show and had him champion - wouldn't you follow good judges? He obviously likes the horse and not just the jockey as many of you seem to be making out. Furthermore, given past form it would seem silly to not take him to a qualifier just because Adele was out of the country.
Joni is a lovely horse and his owners are the nicest people. I will definitely be opening a bottle of champagne with them at HOYS ;D
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Post by hopeteam on Jun 16, 2009 19:27:52 GMT
Well Well, There really is no substitute for tact & good manners (not applying to anybody in particullar just the people who feel it is necessary to put people down!)
I wasnt there so i shall make no judgement i just think that, another day another judge!
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Post by Harry parry on Jun 16, 2009 19:41:05 GMT
I totally agree, when people enter a show they should take their placing and shut up about it, its only one winner on the day, whether you agree with it or not, you can't do anything about it, the more you moan the less friends you will have, and on the sounds of a lot of moaners on here you don't have many friends as it is. If we would not show under friends we would never be able to go to a show, how boring would that be!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by kilty on Jun 16, 2009 19:45:28 GMT
Well Well, There really is no substitute for tact & good manners (not applying to anybody in particullar just the people who feel it is necessary to put people down!) I wasnt there so i shall make no judgement i just think that, another day another judge! Absolutely, Hopeteam. I've been reading this thread with interest and am rather shocked (I really shouldn't be : by some of the comments and allegations on here! I too was at Derbyshire Festival on Sunday. I felt that I was more than a little hard done by in my class (not an M&M class before anyone starts!) and didn't agree with the judges' comments to me HOWEVER!!! I smiled politely, thanked them for their input, took my rosette, did the lap of honour and then came out and chalked it up to experience. Ok, I had a moan about it to friends and whatnot but at the end of the day, showing is subjective - the judges are fully entitled to their opinion and competitors should respect that, no matter how badly that sometimes sits with you. Finally, a huge thank you to the organisers for all their effort, everything ran very smoothly, the rings were lovely and I had a very enjoyable day out. Reading threads like this are enough to put anyone off judging/stewarding or indeed organising shows!
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 16, 2009 19:47:56 GMT
kilty...or competing!
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Post by douglas on Jun 16, 2009 19:59:36 GMT
You are absolutely right kilty. I have been involved with Derbyshire NCPA (Derbyshire Festival etc) for about 7 or 8 years now and after reading these threads it really does make you think why do we bother, but then you think of all the nice and grateful comments which out weigh the sour, jealous ones and you then realise thats why. Hears to our Autumn show in September. Thank you for all your nice comments.
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Post by complainers on Jun 16, 2009 20:15:46 GMT
Who would want to be a judge??? I bet the number of people putting themselves forward to the panels is decreasing. Eventually there will be no judges in years to come and then you all really will have something to complain about!!!!
When you have been showing/breeding/judging a long time people will be able to find a connection anywhere. People will be walking about videoing everything that goes on at shows - i.e someone saying hello to a judge in passing and then sending it off to the societies to complain.
Think all this judge/competitior bashing is getting ridiculous....and slightly boring to say the least! same old, same old - change the record springs to mind. Roll on next weekend and another judge will be getting slated. People say the only person that can be pleased in the class is the winner - not anymore, they will just be worrying what is written on this site when they get home.
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Post by Slow Rider on Jun 16, 2009 20:30:05 GMT
It was lovely to see a decent rider from the plaited flat classes come up and win this weekend. I think that the winner and pony presented a beautiful picture. Being a gracious loser myself I really am disappointed in the so few amongst the so many that give this form of showing a dire reputation. Enough said. Congrats Gemmsy
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Post by hayley4 on Jun 16, 2009 20:31:03 GMT
A judge can only please one person in the day they judge! It is inevitable that all others will be disappointed. Of course everybody wants to win- but if u can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen!! Think the moaners should spend more time and effort on improving themselves and their horse, than slagging off people doing a very good job. It all boils down to jealousy at the end of the day! What is wrong with going under a judge who has had ur horse to win before? It's common sense.
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Post by nativeponies on Jun 16, 2009 20:44:04 GMT
i dont believe people should only ever be pleased if they have won first place, god, what is wrong with people? i was really happy watching my pony be the only small breed to go clear in a whp class where the jumps asked questions and ended up 4th and 6th...out of 20 and 22 starters!! surely everyone should be pleased to be placed in huge classes? ??
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Post by hayley4 on Jun 16, 2009 20:55:15 GMT
Think you've missed my point slightly!! The object of course is to win- but u must also be a gracious loser! It is somebody's oppinion at the end of the day. What I was trying to say was that judges have a thankless job most of the time- majority of competitors ought to pack in if they can't stand to lose! Of course u should be pleased with ur place in any strong class! If ur animal was presented well and is of the correct type and quality for the class- then if u don't win- there is always another day! Also, if u think there has been an infringement of the rules then u should act properly and professionally , and complain to the society- not just whinge and moan on here cos u didn't win. Can't people just be happy for the person that won? God what happened to sportsmanship??
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Post by Admin on Jun 16, 2009 21:06:08 GMT
This thread is going no where so will now be locked.
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