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Post by delbel on May 26, 2012 8:02:45 GMT
please can someone answer my question without me having to read through all 31 pages -
i had my welsh c measure as a 4 yr old at 136.7cm i am wanting to have her remeasured to ensure she has not gone over height, firstly do i have to use a different vets? and will i then be issued with a LHC
sorry but only done this with he which was 5 yrs ago and i understand loads has changed!!
thanks
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Post by jmbsec on May 29, 2012 8:04:39 GMT
please can someone answer my question without me having to read through all 31 pages - i had my welsh c measure as a 4 yr old at 136.7cm i am wanting to have her remeasured to ensure she has not gone over height, firstly do i have to use a different vets? and will i then be issued with a LHC sorry but only done this with he which was 5 yrs ago and i understand loads has changed!! thanks Use a different measurer from a different practice. If she is 7 years or older she will get a Full certificate. Erase Life certificate from your brain, the term has not been used for over 10 years! |
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Post by cheryl on Jun 15, 2012 9:51:32 GMT
How much is an annual height?? Also can you take your horse to just be measured not wanting a ceritificate?
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 19, 2012 22:49:24 GMT
How much is an annual height?? Also can you take your horse to just be measured not wanting a ceritificate? Annual and full certs cost £77.00, or £87.00 if you want us to return it by Special Delivery. We pay the measurer out of this payment. Any non-JMB measurement arranged by you with a vet is entirely your business, the fee the vet charges will be between the vet and you. |
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Post by housekeeper on Jun 28, 2012 9:37:07 GMT
At an official measurement, can the vet use just one measuring stick or is he entitled to announce one height with one stick and then a different height with another? Is he looking for the smallest height a pony can be or the largest, once it's been given time to relax?
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Post by jmbsec on Jun 30, 2012 22:14:50 GMT
At an official measurement, can the vet use just one measuring stick or is he entitled to announce one height with one stick and then a different height with another? Is he looking for the smallest height a pony can be or the largest, once it's been given time to relax? The rules state that the "lowest truly relaxed height" must be recorded. Which measurer used two sticks? |
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Post by jasper1 on Jul 2, 2012 11:40:50 GMT
Hi, could you tell me how much it is for a name change? thanks in advance
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Post by jmbsec on Jul 3, 2012 13:53:38 GMT
Hi, could you tell me how much it is for a name change? thanks in advance £100.00, but we need to see a copy of the animal's passport showing that the name has been changed by the passport issuer. |
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Post by baggygirl on Jul 5, 2012 17:40:01 GMT
Ours was only £30 for a name change, but he came to us with no name just a unique foal number so i suppose that it is different to a name change
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Post by jasper1 on Jul 5, 2012 20:27:34 GMT
Wow, £100 does seem quite steep!
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Post by jmbsec on Sept 4, 2012 8:04:53 GMT
The JMB office will be closed between 17th and 21st September 2012
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Post by bianco on Sept 27, 2012 18:56:21 GMT
To the jmsec, why do I still see so many way overheight animals in the showring?
Talk is people don't get away with it like they used to but at some very high profile shows the horses I am looking at are not just 2 or 3cms larger than they would be on measuring pad when quiet but appear I would guess 5 - 10cms larger than they should be, how can this happen?
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Post by jmbsec on Sept 28, 2012 13:04:48 GMT
To the jmsec, why do I still see so many way overheight animals in the showring? Talk is people don't get away with it like they used to but at some very high profile shows the horses I am looking at are not just 2 or 3cms larger than they would be on measuring pad when quiet but appear I would guess 5 - 10cms larger than they should be, how can this happen? Firstly judging a height at a show is notoriously inexact. Nevertheless some are overheight. These are present for a number of reasons and I am sure you can guess many of them. Some animals may grow after their last measurement. If they in their 7th year or older when last measured and grow they are defying the scientific literature but I have been sniped at in the past by owners of "late maturing" animals. There is the continuing debate about increases or decreases in height depending on fatness/condition/fitness. Some peoplke have a knack of "teaching" horses to relax. Other cases are just down to "irregular" activities by owners and/or producers and/or vets. Whatever the reasons we rely on the Member societies and objectors to identify problems. The JMB are often asked why they do not police the system, ie go to shows and spot big 'uns. The JMB have no power to enter show grounds (I suppose it could just pay on the gate) and no personnel other than admin staff. The JMB stewards, ie the society reps, do go to shows as part of their society duties, not the JMB's, so we get some re-m by that root Statistically objectors are by far the best spotters of overweight animals. |
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Post by dsmum on Sept 29, 2012 15:51:19 GMT
see other thread on guests posting area re JMB
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Post by rubyshoes1 on Sept 29, 2012 16:51:39 GMT
To the jmsec, why do I still see so many way overheight animals in the showring? Talk is people don't get away with it like they used to but at some very high profile shows the horses I am looking at are not just 2 or 3cms larger than they would be on measuring pad when quiet but appear I would guess 5 - 10cms larger than they should be, how can this happen? Firstly judging a height at a show is notoriously inexact. Nevertheless some are overheight. These are present for a number of reasons and I am sure you can guess many of them. Some animals may grow after their last measurement. If they in their 7th year or older when last measured and grow they are defying the scientific literature but I have been sniped at in the past by owners of "late maturing" animals. There is the continuing debate about increases or decreases in height depending on fatness/condition/fitness. Some peoplke have a knack of "teaching" horses to relax. Other cases are just down to "irregular" activities by owners and/or producers and/or vets. Whatever the reasons we rely on the Member societies and objectors to identify problems. The JMB are often asked why they do not police the system, ie go to shows and spot big 'uns. The JMB have no power to enter show grounds (I suppose it could just pay on the gate) and no personnel other than admin staff. The JMB stewards, ie the society reps, do go to shows as part of their society duties, not the JMB's, so we get some re-m by that root Statistically objectors are by far the best spotters of overweight animals. Blimey, overweight animals, now that's another thing!!! |
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Post by jmbsec on Sept 29, 2012 19:41:49 GMT
"Blimey, overweight animals, now that's another thing!!!"
Sorry, spellchecker tuned into health issues!
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Post by gillwales on Oct 1, 2012 16:53:22 GMT
I do not think that animals being shown overweight is the JMB's department, it is something you should take up with the society concerned.
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Post by jmbsec on Oct 1, 2012 17:25:58 GMT
I do not think that animals being shown overweight is the JMB's department, it is something you should take up with the society concerned. Meant to write overheight. Please do not turn this thread into a discussuion on overweight. |
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Post by jmbsec on Oct 11, 2012 17:39:59 GMT
The JMB office will be closed from 15th-22nd October inclusive.
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Post by sometime on Oct 28, 2012 19:35:17 GMT
Having asked this question in the wrong place please forgive me if I repeat myself could you please tell me if a pony has measure at 148cm for 10 or more years or has a full certificate if it then is deemed to have been overheight by a cm or two and therefore banned from the 148 classes and moved up can the owner have it remeasured under a different vet and if it has lost a bit of weight or is more relaxed and now measures in at 148 again can it have its certificate for that height and compete again in the 148 classes or once it measures overheight is that it and it can never no matter what height it is be shown in the 148 class This is a purely hypothetical question with no reference to any particular pony or owner
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Post by jmbsec on Oct 28, 2012 23:42:31 GMT
Haven't a clue about the "deemed to have been overheight...." statement. Deemed and banned by what orgnisiation? Nothing to do with the JMB. Any way, under rule 42.1.(ii) an owner can request the re-measurement of an animal with an annual or full certificate. Once it has gone through the re-m procedure it cannot be re-m again except on the the instructions of the JMB stewards. Concerning height of a fit/fat/thin/unfit animal I am still waiting for somebody to tell us what anatomical entity increases or decreases in size to cause the difference in height of an otherwise relaxed and mature, adult animal. Don't reply muscle and or fat - tell us which bit and where it is! All re-m rules and details are on the JMB website, www.thejmbonline.co.uk |
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Post by gillwales on Oct 29, 2012 4:55:10 GMT
To the jmsec, why do I still see so many way overheight animals in the showring? Talk is people don't get away with it like they used to but at some very high profile shows the horses I am looking at are not just 2 or 3cms larger than they would be on measuring pad when quiet but appear I would guess 5 - 10cms larger than they should be, how can this happen? Firstly judging a height at a show is notoriously inexact. Nevertheless some are overheight. These are present for a number of reasons and I am sure you can guess many of them. Some animals may grow after their last measurement. If they in their 7th year or older when last measured and grow they are defying the scientific literature but I have been sniped at in the past by owners of "late maturing" animals. There is the continuing debate about increases or decreases in height depending on fatness/condition/fitness. Some peoplke have a knack of "teaching" horses to relax. Other cases are just down to "irregular" activities by owners and/or producers and/or vets. Whatever the reasons we rely on the Member societies and objectors to identify problems. The JMB are often asked why they do not police the system, ie go to shows and spot big 'uns. The JMB have no power to enter show grounds (I suppose it could just pay on the gate) and no personnel other than admin staff. The JMB stewards, ie the society reps, do go to shows as part of their society duties, not the JMB's, so we get some re-m by that root Statistically objectors are by far the best spotters of overweight animals. I knew one big showing stud, and remember youngsters cannot have measuring certs, who used to get everyone to put a measuring stick on their ponies to get them used to it, that way at a show when a stranger advanced with a mobile tree it did not bother them! A good tip for those of you who will starting the new cycle of measuring in the new year. |
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Post by sometime on Oct 31, 2012 16:18:25 GMT
Still dont understand If a pony has measure 148 for year upon year and is then remeasured to be 149 cm can it then be measured again and if it measures 148 will it be given a cert for 148 or will the fact that is has measured 149/150 once make any subsequent measure invalid. Assuming it has only ever had annual certificates in the first place
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Post by jmbsec on Oct 31, 2012 23:17:39 GMT
Still dont understand If a pony has measure 148 for year upon year and is then remeasured to be 149 cm can it then be measured again and if it measures 148 will it be given a cert for 148 or will the fact that is has measured 149/150 once make any subsequent measure invalid. Assuming it has only ever had annual certificates in the first place Do you mean that the pony has had annual measaures at 148cm at 4,5 and 6 years old and then a full meas at 7yo at 149cm? If so the owner can request a re-m and whatever result the referees record is the permanent full measure. Or do you mean it measures 148, 148, 149, 148 at 4,5,6 amd 7yo? If so the Stewards may well ask for a re-m by referees to check that it has shrunk. If I have missed the point it may be better to phone the office! |
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Post by traceyd on Nov 19, 2012 0:23:04 GMT
Hi if a pony thats 4 years old in 2013 gets an annual height certificate will it need to have one every year until it is 7 years old, thanks.
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Post by jmbsec on Nov 19, 2012 17:38:45 GMT
Hi if a pony thats 4 years old in 2013 gets an annual height certificate will it need to have one every year until it is 7 years old, thanks. Under JMB rules, yes. |
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Post by ker916 on Dec 23, 2012 19:51:53 GMT
I want my rising 4yr old pony JMB'd - Where do i take my boy and when (based near preston) Thankyou  |
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Post by suprisepackage on Dec 23, 2012 19:54:52 GMT
Oakhill do jmb measuring and Gilliver vets do them to
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Post by ker916 on Dec 24, 2012 14:44:03 GMT
Thankyou - will get on to them after christmas! |
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Post by conniegirl on Dec 27, 2012 1:43:18 GMT
Can anyone let me know of measurers close to Hull.
I used Levisons (swanbridge) in 2012 so need a different one this year, as I only oved to the area in mid 2011 i'm still unsure of what is close and what is not!
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