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Post by goodietwoshoes on Aug 2, 2009 19:11:09 GMT
any one suggest a pelham for a young pony who's mouth is changing at the moment so can be a little sensitive at times? Before anyone starts lecturing, yes i have had her teeth done am just after any suggestions.
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Post by cassie30 on Aug 2, 2009 19:13:49 GMT
Can i ask does he or she need a pelham firstly?
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Post by colourful on Aug 2, 2009 19:17:47 GMT
Is it essential she wears a pelham? Also the type would depend on mouth conformation, thin or thick tongue etc. so very difficult without seeing the pony. If she doesnt yet have her full set of teeth then would you maybe be able to use a curved mouth gentle snaffle, as they are soft and dont have nutcracker action upwards which many sensitive ponies hate. Just a thought
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Post by rubyshoes1 on Aug 2, 2009 19:22:23 GMT
just wonderd how judges feel about a young pony in a snaffle in an open class, as dont really want to go to a pelham/double, would do novice classes if there were any.
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Post by shelleyj on Aug 2, 2009 19:24:26 GMT
we had a pony who won regularly in opens in a snaffle, most sensible judges would probably not mind
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Post by cassie30 on Aug 2, 2009 19:27:55 GMT
Agree. Nothing wrong with snaffles in opens. If ponies do not need them dont use them. Only ends up making them strong more often than not.
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Post by hollycane on Aug 2, 2009 19:32:59 GMT
Is it essential this pony even gets shown if her teeth are not great? You could end up with a one sided pony using a pelham with growing teeth? A bit of patience now may get better results later on. If you can't wait a snaffle is surely better unless you have excellent hands on the reins.
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Post by colourful on Aug 2, 2009 19:41:27 GMT
just wonderd how judges feel about a young pony in a snaffle in an open class, as dont really want to go to a pelham/double, would do novice classes if there were any. Personally a pony going well in a snaffle is far more attractive than one which is going badly in a pelham/ double due to not being ready - this is one of my very personal hates in the ring.
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Post by sd52 on Aug 2, 2009 20:45:01 GMT
We won an open class today with our novice fell in a snaffle , he is still young 5 and we don't want to rush him but wanted to go indoors for the first time just to see what he thought with the mirrors etc! I agree with others if they are not ready for a pelham /double it is better to go well in a snaffle afterall they have got a long time to be in open classes.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Aug 2, 2009 21:36:17 GMT
Alot of ponies i have had have dis liked the nut cracker action of a snaffle, my fell disliked them and was going in pelham, it has three parts to the mouth piece- i realy dont know what pelham it is. I scoured high and low and have found a wilkie pelham with the same mouth piece, [for novice classes] and he goes fine in it.
Although i realy dont see any thing wrong in pelhams, abit is only as good as the hands!!! And my lot favour them.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 3, 2009 7:22:47 GMT
I don't like the nutcracker action of a single-jointed snaffle, but there are always the options of a double jointed one, which it sounds as if your Fell might like if he likes the pelham you use, or a straight one which suits some ponies depending on their individual mouth conformation. Using a jointed pelham negates its action anyway unless you have the curb chain really tight.
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Post by princessv on Aug 3, 2009 8:45:19 GMT
With youngsters i would prefer to see a v. light double with a short curb and elastuic curb chain that a pelham .But also agree with everyone else, if they're not ready for this then stick which a snaffle. Even if some snotty judges don't like to see them in open classes, you have plenty of other judges who don't mind and plenty of time
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Post by Guestless on Aug 3, 2009 9:19:32 GMT
I realised a few years ago that most of my Fells have gone better in their pelhams than their snaffles - I think it must be to do with the conformation of their mouth and the way the mouthpiece sits. I can put a knot in my curb rein and not use it all so it's not me putting extra pressure on, they just seem to prefer it. As a result of this, I often put them in a pelham (current favourite is a hartwell as it has a nice thick, ported, mild mouthpiece) and then work back to a snaffle.
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Post by sarahp on Aug 3, 2009 10:30:49 GMT
I think we have a linguistic difference here - I use "snaffle" and "pelham" to describe the style and action of the bit, whereas both can be found with many many different mouthpieces to suit any conformation of the mouth. A snaffle has a single rein from the end of the mouthpiece which acts to lift the head, but a pelham is a compromise bit which attempts to give both actions of a double in one bit using two reins, useful for the many, especially natives, who have mouths not suited to the two separate bits of a double. A double has a bridoon bit which acts like a snaffle, and a curb bit which correctly fitted (and with a straight mouthpiece) gives poll pressure to bring the head down.
If you don't need to use the curb rein, why not just get a snaffle with the mouthpiece the pony likes?
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Post by jennyg on Aug 3, 2009 10:54:59 GMT
Neue Schule are great for helping out with biting problems and usually can make up any mouthpiece to match the ponies mouth. Never use anything else now!!
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Post by Guestless on Aug 3, 2009 10:58:52 GMT
If you don't need to use the curb rein, why not just get a snaffle with the mouthpiece the pony likes? That was the first thing I tried (and I spent a fair bit of money and now have a water bucket full of snaffles!) but it didn't work. Although you can get a snaffle with the same mouthpiece, it still doesn't sit in the mouth in the same way - possibly because the sides have to be different for it to be a snaffle . I know I'm by no means the only Fell pony owner who has felt the same and many Fells go straight into open classes rather than competing in novice first as a result. I have managed to work backwards with a few of my Fells and it seems to be a NS trans loose ring with a lozenge that they go well in, but introducing that prior to the pelham just seems to confuse them. Definitely horses for courses and what suits one...... Conversely (and to show I don't just bung a pelham in ) I have a 5 year old Fell mare who is going quite sweetly in a NS beval bit. I do try to get them settled in a snaffle first.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Aug 3, 2009 13:39:36 GMT
Guestless do you know what my pelham is? No one i know has the foggiest, it has three equal sized parts to the mouth piece and is loose ringed? I put up a pic when iv time, thanks
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Post by bowditchblobs on Aug 3, 2009 13:41:11 GMT
Oh the snaffle iv bought has a large lozange and it was just called a wilkie
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Post by Guestless on Aug 3, 2009 14:19:17 GMT
Oh the snaffle iv bought has a large lozange and it was just called a wilkie The part about that bit that makes it a wilki is the separate rings for the cheekpiece and reins - it was designed by Peter Wilkinson from Fylde Saddlery (hence its name). Other saddleries have copied it a bit but the ring for the cheekpiece is usually incorporated inside the main ring (as opposed to the wilki which has it attached to the main ring). If you go on the Fylde website you will be able to see them on there - you do get different mouthpieces for them. No idea about your pelham without seeing it, but you do get a few different ones with a lozenge in the middle of the mouthpiece. The loose ring part would usually make it a show pelham I think (or a swales depending on how loose you mean).
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Post by kidneybean on Aug 3, 2009 16:52:17 GMT
Alot of ponies i have had have dis liked the nut cracker action of a snaffle, my fell disliked them and was going in pelham, it has three parts to the mouth piece- i realy dont know what pelham it is. I scoured high and low and have found a wilkie pelham with the same mouth piece, [for novice classes] and he goes fine in it. Although i realy dont see any thing wrong in pelhams, abit is only as good as the hands!!! And my lot favour them. thanks, any chance of a pic ;D
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Post by tabbyx on Aug 4, 2009 8:29:12 GMT
Guestless do you know what my pelham is? No one i know has the foggiest, it has three equal sized parts to the mouth piece and is loose ringed? I put up a pic when iv time, thanks i think your bit is a loose ring waterford. there's a pic of it on the fylde website under snaffle bits its the 16th bit on the page.
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Post by tabbyx on Aug 4, 2009 8:31:44 GMT
my pony goes well in a pelham aswell as in a snaffle even though when he's standing he tries to eat the shanks of the pelham but he just has to nibble everything.
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Post by Guestless on Aug 4, 2009 10:30:05 GMT
Guestless do you know what my pelham is? No one i know has the foggiest, it has three equal sized parts to the mouth piece and is loose ringed? I put up a pic when iv time, thanks i think your bit is a loose ring waterford. there's a pic of it on the fylde website under snaffle bits its the 16th bit on the page. She was asking about her pelham, not her snaffle A waterford mouthpiece is fairly standard so I don't think people would struggle to identify it.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Aug 4, 2009 14:18:59 GMT
Nope it is not a waterford, just had a look on their website and i cant see it, when i get time i put up a pic of it!
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