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Post by North Foreland on Sept 1, 2009 14:16:34 GMT
Well done Ollie at BSPS and NPS Area 4 You work very hard to get good results in all sorts of classes for your clients and your family. No doubt Rosie is over the moon. Champ is a tremendous performer and deserves to be at Olympia.
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Post by another spectator on Sept 1, 2009 14:31:06 GMT
I totally agree. The Olympia winner stood out in my opinion. He did take the Ridden Reserve Supreme of show under a different judge as well. I thought the judging was pretty good throughout apart from the Northern Breeders Championship which was terrible.
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Post by was in it on Sept 1, 2009 14:31:48 GMT
I would just like to add that I was in the olympia championship yesterday. I had also heard rumours that the connie was going to get the ticket, however there was no doubt after all the ponies had performed their freestyle shows in the championship it was a very worthy winner and was anyones ticket for the taking, and to be honest the judge would have looked more ridiculous NOT to give it the ticket! The dartmoor that won its section spooked, the dales looked extremeley tense and strong and for me the connie and the section B both deserved their placings and if I had had the very difficult task of judging the champ I actually would have had them exactly the same way round on the individual shows they did. The connie went beautifully showing it is very balanced and well schooled (and is a lovely animal too!), one which i'm sure will represent the breed well at the final. Best of Luck to all his connections. (p.s i have no connections to any of the people involved, just my observations from inside the ring)
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Post by poster on Sept 1, 2009 19:23:51 GMT
I think the pony and rider are Olympia standard, but when word gets out that the judge stayed at their premises recently, someone from their camp must of opened their mouth. If you think you are going to be done a favour could you not flaut it so badly.
It makes you and the judge look bad.
Perhaps many people didnt turn up as rumours were so rife and they thought they knew the outcome. There could of been much more competition but a few stayed away.
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Post by radleybaglady on Sept 1, 2009 19:46:53 GMT
If someone said "bla bla" is the fastest runner on earth at the moment, so is OBVIOUSLY going to win the gold...would anyone be surprised when this runner won the gold? Exactly!!!
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Post by Diadem nli on Sept 1, 2009 19:47:07 GMT
Why the need to name the judge I didnt, it was already stated in the thread and i just wanted to put my positive point across
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Post by curious on Sept 2, 2009 12:04:57 GMT
I think the pony and rider are Olympia standard, but when word gets out that the judge stayed at their premises recently, someone from their camp must of opened their mouth. If you think you are going to be done a favour could you not flaut it so badly. How do you know this, as it certainly doesnt say it anywhere else in this thread?!
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Post by not nice on Sept 2, 2009 13:15:05 GMT
Sounds like this person knows a bit more than most of us, if thats the case than that was a very vicious comment meant to cause harm.
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Post by Beaten on Sept 2, 2009 17:53:16 GMT
It has been being said for many weeks now who would get the Olympia ticket (or rather who had the chance to lose the Olympia ticket as horses have a great way to make fools of us) but I didn't think it had much to do with the judge and owners being good friends but the marks were posted on here (now deleted when the judge last judged this pony and awarded it 49/50 so clearly liked the pony. No one batted an eyelid then.
Who here would not show under a judge that liked your pony that much?
He is lovely, well produced, made no mistakes and in the judges opinion (which is after all what we pay our entry fee for) was the best on the day.
After Bucks County it was great to see some sensible judging
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Post by Somthing stinks on Sept 2, 2009 20:27:09 GMT
It has been being said for many weeks now who would get the Olympia ticket (or rather who had the chance to lose the Olympia ticket as horses have a great way to make fools of us) but I didn't think it had much to do with the judge and owners being good friends but the marks were posted on here (now deleted when the judge last judged this pony and awarded it 49/50 so clearly liked the pony. No one batted an eyelid then. Who here would not show under a judge that liked your pony that much? He is lovely, well produced, made no mistakes and in the judges opinion (which is after all what we pay our entry fee for) was the best on the day. After Bucks County it was great to see some sensible judging Well there were no connections there to the winners? Just proves it you lot will never be happy! If you don't want to be disappointed then don't bother doing Olympia classes.
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Post by Beaten on Sept 3, 2009 11:53:47 GMT
I don't care if the judge was sleeping with the owners cousin's sister if the pony that wins is rewarded for being a true to type pony who gives the best show on the day.
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Post by seventy8910 on Sept 3, 2009 19:32:59 GMT
I don't care if the judge was sleeping with the owners cousin's sister if the pony that wins is rewarded for being a true to type pony who gives the best show on the day. Thats unlikely
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 3, 2009 21:46:42 GMT
This is getting worse.
And, are you, the 'modern competitor', never satisfied with the opinion of the selected Judge (that is, unless it is your animal!)
Whatever has happened to good sportsmanship and real, old-fashioned respect?
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Post by rufus on Sept 4, 2009 1:52:29 GMT
Whatever has happened to good sportsmanship and real, old-fashioned respect? Respect is an "earned accolade" - not a time-spent- given, and as times become harder, choices on how to spend any expendable income, will be clearly made, based on the choices of competitors and their experiences of judging and individual judges. These are times more of "Question than Acceptance, and we will therefore see more competitors expect a more "transparent" system. The noun.. Sportsmanship - "following the rules of the game" - is all most of us ask.
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Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 4, 2009 8:19:07 GMT
Whatever has happened to good sportsmanship and real, old-fashioned respect? Respect is an "earned accolade" - not a time-spent- given, and as times become harder, choices on how to spend any expendable income, will be clearly made, based on the choices of competitors and their experiences of judging and individual judges. These are times more of "Question than Acceptance, and we will therefore see more competitors expect a more "transparent" system. The noun.. Sportsmanship - "following the rules of the game" - is all most of us ask. Transparency - perhaps (just a suggestion) that ALL classes by judged using a marks system, as BSPS has done for the last 15 or so years. Then, exhibitors (may?) not freel so aggrieved when they fail to win, having expected to. But do remember, not everyone can win, whatever the system!! That was only a suggestion...............
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Post by gordonbennett on Sept 4, 2009 14:04:39 GMT
I totally agree with you on this point marks would be fairer and give competitors a chance to see how they have been judged.
Whilst I totally agree that noone can win all the time, Area 4 was predicted correctly well before the show and this pony has not been in any other qualifiers. I was told not to go and waste my diesel and was relieved that I had a day at home with my family instead. I am wondering if this is the reason that the judge had very low entries in what is normally a well supported qualifier. I understand that there are very strong connections between the judge and competitor and find this kind os dishonestly very disappointing.
This kind of judging is what is going to kill the Olympia qualifiers.
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Post by giggle on Sept 4, 2009 16:45:20 GMT
What "very strong connections"? This is utter rubbish.There are no "connections"- the judge liked the pony - and had placed it to win at a previous HOYS qualifier. The pony went well and from the observations of others on this site - the pony is a worthy representative of the breed. Some of these comments are way out of order. If you make allegations you should back them up with facts - or retract them.
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Post by jibbers on Sept 4, 2009 16:56:09 GMT
Just to point out that this judge made the competitors do shows in the championship. Surely if he was so desperate for the connie to win he would have just pulled it champion after the go round, rather than risk anything going wrong!!! ALL competitors had a fair crack at that championship and the connie pulled it off!!
Well done to all connections, a worthy champion imo.
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Post by robertparkerjones on Sept 4, 2009 17:00:24 GMT
Nothing dishonest here! No rules broken! Everyone who saw the class and championship in agreement that the pony was the deserving champion. End of story I feel!!!
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Post by beentheredonethat on Sept 4, 2009 17:01:49 GMT
Transparency - perhaps (just a suggestion) that ALL classes by judged using a marks system, as BSPS has done for the last 15 or so years. Then, exhibitors (may?) not freel so aggrieved when they fail to win, having expected to. But do remember, not everyone can win, whatever the system!! That was only a suggestion............... I don’t think people go to a show expecting to win; hoping to win is probably a fairer assumption. However I would imagine we all go EXPECTING a level playing field, which seems to be a rare thing these days. I would be inclined to agree with gordonbennett that the more prestigious events are being attended by fewer people. There must be a good reason for this other than the fuel costs?
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Post by ahallows on Sept 4, 2009 18:16:35 GMT
If I remember rightly this pony won at the NPS Champs a few years ago under this judge before it was brought by it's present owner.
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