Its all gone Pete Tong
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Post by Its all gone Pete Tong on Sept 6, 2009 19:20:23 GMT
I was told last night that the judge Mrs D Jordon has had to stand down because Sam Roberts is wanting to ride yet another pony in the class but can't if Mrs Jordon judges it.
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Post by bobbley on Sept 6, 2009 19:27:01 GMT
Sorry I'm a bit confused - How can a competitor force a judge to stand down? Also why cant she show under Mrs Jordan?
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Post by Euro on Sept 6, 2009 19:44:20 GMT
Isn't there a NPS rule to say judges can't judge Olympia classes if they have ponies they have bred competing that year Bet there's a lot of mad cross Welsh owners who haven't entered but would've done if they had known ofthe judge swap. There's loads of Moortown ponies out this season so perhaps their breeder missed this rule?
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Post by monsoon on Sept 6, 2009 20:15:56 GMT
I think I am right in saying Sam Roberts has been riding Moortown Honeyman this year. I think it is so wrong that the judge has had to stand down, surely it should have been the competitor standing down. I dont blame other competitors who have not entered and would have liked to now the judge has been changed for being cross (polite word) We have not done hardly any showing this year, so this does not affect us but showing really needs cleaning up. Why cant ponies be judged on their own merit, and not by who owns or rides them.
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Post by Guestless on Sept 6, 2009 20:25:31 GMT
I think it's awful if a competitor has had enough influence to have a judge stand down. It should be an honour and privilege to judge qualifying rounds and IMO there are enough of them for competitors to avoid the ones where there are connections. I hope this is just a rumour and not fact.
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Post by Loger on Sept 6, 2009 20:29:08 GMT
I think they entries for Olympia have been down as we all know who is gonna win it, think about it.
When the prediction thread starts I will pm the mods.
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Post by Wiltshire Man on Sept 6, 2009 21:11:25 GMT
WOW
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Post by ghl on Sept 6, 2009 21:12:51 GMT
This thread will disappear very soon, it seems that if anyone mentions this person the threads disappear immediately - is she one of the mods I wonder!!
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Post by kayjayem on Sept 6, 2009 21:22:39 GMT
I don't see why people are suprised - the same thing happened last year in the Cuddy Final at HOYS. Jennifer Williams had to stand down then Jerome Harforth could compete! Nasty threats involved there though, whatever happened to sprtsmanship?
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Post by girly on Sept 6, 2009 21:48:08 GMT
The fact that Sam has ridden Honeyman this year should make no difference. Mrs Jordon bred him but Julie Barton owns him so why would there be a problem.
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Post by monarch123 on Sept 6, 2009 22:19:30 GMT
Sam rode Moortown Countryman in the Windsor Olympia qualifier and he is owned by Mr & Mrs Jordan. It would be a very difficult situation if Sam competed under Mrs Jordan and I think this is the reason someone had to stand down - judge or competitor .............
A change of judge isn't good for us so we are now not going, so annoying. I bet i dont get my entry money back! there is no point going as Mrs Sells wont like my pony
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Its all gone Pete Tong
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Post by Its all gone Pete Tong on Sept 6, 2009 22:31:37 GMT
I'm sooooo pleased the new rule will be in place next year.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2009 22:32:41 GMT
How ridiculous! If there is a connection to a judge then as a competitor you take it on the chin and don't go under them!! Why should one competitor force a judge change!!!! I know people who havent been able to do hoys qualifiers this year because of having a connection with the judge at the final!!! why cant this competitor accept the fact she can't go under her and let things be??? How unfair to everyone else who has made or hasnt made entries based on mrs jordan being the judge!!
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Post by coxwood on Sept 6, 2009 22:33:03 GMT
I am sorry if you have a connection to the judge you do not enter simple as that ! you do not expect the judge to step down its not as if she has not qualified any ponies for Olympia . I am starting to wonder who the NPS are running this competition for, I somehow don't think it's for the benefit of the majority but the minority . I find it especially annoying as we have previously done very well under Mrs Sells but did not bother to enter .
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Post by monarch123 on Sept 6, 2009 22:41:56 GMT
i have emailed the nps asking for an explanation, perhaps more of you should do so, if i get a response i will let you know the outcome. We entered as Mrs Jordan is a fair judge and likes my type of pony but Mrs Sells doesnt so will not now be going. I am just so cross about it.
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Post by alex2009 on Sept 6, 2009 23:04:07 GMT
I also emailed the NPS to ask the question why Mrs Jordan had to stand down as I feel the change of judge with out an explanation lowers the integrity of the competition. Fair enough if it's a personal reason for the judge things happen. I can't believe and I sincerely hope that it isn't for the reasons that are stated in some post as I find it hard to believe that one member can have so much sway in the decision.
Mrs Sells is a good and fair judge (just like Mrs Jordan) but sadly my horse isn't her type... What a shame I'm entered and will now not be going, I hope that Newbury will offer refund like Norfolk did when they changed judges.
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Post by bobbley on Sept 6, 2009 23:47:40 GMT
Sam rode Moortown Countryman in the Windsor Olympia qualifier and he is owned by Mr & Mrs Jordan. It would be a very difficult situation if Sam competed under Mrs Jordan and I think this is the reason someone had to stand down - judge or competitor ....... Well if that is the case, then according to the rules it is right that the judge stands down. If you own a pony that is competing in the qualifying rounds then you cannot judge a qualifier. Even if SR wasnt competing in the Newbuy olympia, then Mrs Jordan still shouldnt be judging it. Quote from NPS rules below "If a pony is competing in a qualifying round for the NPS/Baileys Horse Feeds Supreme Ridden (Olympia) Pony of the Year Championship, the owner/producer/rider of that pony may not judge a qualifying round or the Final of that Championship in the same year" People are quick to blame one person, but anyone could have noticed this potential breaking of the rule and reported it to the NPS
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Post by tessa on Sept 7, 2009 6:44:42 GMT
what type does mrs sells like?
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Post by Loger on Sept 7, 2009 7:41:57 GMT
what type does mrs sells like? She breed Priestwood Ponies, Welsh Section B's
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Post by tessa on Sept 7, 2009 8:00:55 GMT
oh right thankyou
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Post by coxwood on Sept 7, 2009 8:29:03 GMT
Well I think Mrs Jordan has been a judge long enough to know the rules and I'm sure she wouldn't have excepted if she had thought there would have been a conflict as her ponies have been doing exceptionally well this season .
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Post by I believe on Sept 7, 2009 8:29:07 GMT
Sam rode Moortown Countryman in the Windsor Olympia qualifier and he is owned by Mr & Mrs Jordan. It would be a very difficult situation if Sam competed under Mrs Jordan and I think this is the reason someone had to stand down - judge or competitor ....... Well if that is the case, then according to the rules it is right that the judge stands down. If you own a pony that is competing in the qualifying rounds then you cannot judge a qualifier. Even if SR wasnt competing in the Newbuy olympia, then Mrs Jordan still shouldnt be judging it. Quote from NPS rules below "If a pony is competing in a qualifying round for the NPS/Baileys Horse Feeds Supreme Ridden (Olympia) Pony of the Year Championship, the owner/producer/rider of that pony may not judge a qualifying round or the Final of that Championship in the same year" People are quick to blame one person, but anyone could have noticed this potential breaking of the rule and reported it to the NPS Yes this ruling is correct, but I believe Mrs Jordan was unaware of this and once informed the pony was withdrawn from all further qualifying rounds this year, and windsor was its only Olympia Qualifier??? If this is the case then Surely Mrs Jordan should still be able to Judge the class. I dont think she has to stand down because other Moortown ponies have qualified for the final, she just bred them and no longer owns them. So I am confused as to why she is no longer judging?
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Post by monarch123 on Sept 7, 2009 9:00:16 GMT
I HAVE JUST SPOKEN TO NEWBURY AND THEY COULDNT SAY WHY THE JUDGE HAD CHANGED!! I ASKED FOR A REFUND ON ENTRY AND THEY SAID "NO" BECAUSE THE SHOW IS ONLY TWO WEEKS AWAY AND THEN QUICKLY ADDED IT IS IN THEIR TERMS AND CONDITIONS. I CAN SUBSTITUTE A PONY BUT HAS TO BE THE SAME RIDER BUT THIS HAS TO BE DONE BY MIDDAY SO THAT IT CAN BE IN THE CATALOGUE. I SHALL BE PHONING THE NPS SHORTLY TO FIND OUT THEIR SIDE OF THE STORY ....... SUCH AN AWFUL SITUATION AND I AM REALLY CROSS!!!
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Post by lexus on Sept 7, 2009 9:17:08 GMT
It is true that diane jordan did not know the ruling at Windsor. I believe she spoke to NPS at the time and offered to step down or remove her pony from all other qualifiers. NPS said it was fine to judge as long as she removed countryman from any further olympia classes. All seemed good. Us, the general showing community entered our ponies according to the judge. But, then Sam Roberts said to NPS if they can bend a rule for Diane Jordan then they should do the same for her and insisted they allow her to enter(of course, she needs more options of who she can ride at Olympia!!!!). They agreed to her request. At a later stage and after the entries closed for Newbury they asked Diane Jordan to step down. This should have been done a long time ago so people could enter their ponies accordingly. Also Countryman has missed out competing in these classes this year for no reason. Just to add, I believe that last time Mrs Sells judged an Olympia qualifier, Sam Roberts won 3 out of the 5 sections and qualified. I hope the said rider has the decency to stay away and reinstate Diane Jordan.
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Post by Loge on Sept 7, 2009 9:42:58 GMT
You are wrong about Gillian Sells last year she qualified Stirlingdene and the year before she qualified P The Judge.
Only putting the facts right.
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Post by bobbley on Sept 7, 2009 10:01:30 GMT
But, then Sam Roberts said to NPS if they can bend a rule for Diane Jordan then they should do the same for her Well I agree with this! Rules are rules. If the rule says you are not allowed to judge if you own a pony contesting qualifiers, that is that. The NPS should not have bent the rules for her. NOT KNOWING THE RULES IS NO DEFENCE! How worrying that an esteemed judge does not know their rule book, when us mere mortals on here can cite the rules off the tops of our heads! What if Countryman had qualified that day, would the NPS still allow her to judge? Why is it ok to "forget" Windsor for Mrs Jordan but not for Sam? I dont know her, but from what I read on here, the poor girl gets it in the neck from all angles!! I can totally understand her being a bit miffed that Mrs Jordan is allowed to judge, but she isnt allowed to compete You cant blame Mrs Jordan either really, she offered to do the right thing when she realised but if the NPS told her it was ok then they are at fault. What a right royal c0ck up all round! Anyway, it is the last qualifier, we need a bit of drama to liven it up!!! ;D
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Post by guestey on Sept 7, 2009 10:08:10 GMT
Is it right about this rule, because I feel quite sure that the year there was all the trouble with Waitwith Connie at Windsor Jackie Webb was judging and didn't Bunowen Castle Ri go to Olympia that Season!!
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Post by bobbley on Sept 7, 2009 10:12:21 GMT
Is it right about this rule, because I feel quite sure that the year there was all the trouble with Waitwith Connie at Windsor Jackie Webb was judging and didn't Bunowen Castle Ri go to Olympia that Season!! No, Ri did not go to Olympia last year. (The W Connie debacle was last yr)
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Post by guestey on Sept 7, 2009 10:24:14 GMT
Sorry, my mistake, it seems longer ago than that!
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Post by Olympia Fan on Sept 7, 2009 10:33:15 GMT
Connie was last year, but Mrs Webb did put Brungrange Steffanie thru to Olympia in 2006 and that was the year Ri won, (1st time). When did the ruling come in? ?
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