|
Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 7, 2009 10:43:23 GMT
2008
Competitors, if you continue to winge (in this rude and uneccessary manner) about various Panel Judges and your own fellow Competitors, then in my humble opinion, it is YOU who are devaluing this super Competition and at risk of losing the support of an extremely loyal Sponsor.
Edited to correct a 'typo'.
|
|
|
Post by going bananas on Sept 7, 2009 10:47:09 GMT
Actully Gill Sells did sam 3 of 5 section wins. Not qualifiers. However i feel people wont turn up for her.
|
|
|
Post by guestey on Sept 7, 2009 10:49:31 GMT
Why should people not have their say, there are lots of things which happen in our sport and shouldn't do and everybody should have their right to say what they think. In my opinion, nobody has been derogatory about any judges on this thread!
|
|
|
Post by bobbley on Sept 7, 2009 10:55:39 GMT
Why should people not have their say, there are lots of things which happen in our sport and shouldn't do and everybody should have their right to say what they think. In my opinion, nobody has been derogatory about any judges on this thread! Totally agree Guesty. All that is highlighted here is that there was a potential breaking of the rules in the Olympia competition. Judges who break the rules risk devaluing the competition more than those competitors who bring them to light
|
|
Its all gone Pete Tong
Guest
|
Post by Its all gone Pete Tong on Sept 7, 2009 11:14:27 GMT
Mathew Lawrence would not go under Jackie Webb!!!!!! (pardon the pun)
|
|
|
Post by NPS to blame on Sept 7, 2009 11:27:44 GMT
It is a shame that the NPS didn't sort this problem out straight away, Royal Windsor was back in May-almost 4 months ago and well before the Newbury entries had closed. Then the said pony could have contested more Olympia qualifiers if wanted and the said rider could of competed at Newbury without all of this being bought up in this way. I know its a genuine mistake but I feel the NPS should of dealt with this a long time ago and in a more formal way rather than to let the judge and rider be under discussion like this-not 2 weeks before the show when entries cannot be made or changed.
|
|
|
Post by guestey on Sept 7, 2009 11:58:40 GMT
Absolutely and I have never heard anything being said against Matthew!
|
|
|
Post by coxwood on Sept 7, 2009 12:02:22 GMT
Well if we get down to it Sam Roberts rode Blanche Miller's connemara last year at BCPS breed show .
|
|
|
Post by Guestey on Sept 7, 2009 12:07:51 GMT
In my view, she shouldn't be showing anything at Olympia as a result of her connection with the Judge. Last year is very close regardless of rules about Jan 1st or not and if she does get a result at Olympia, it will look very very bad.
|
|
|
Post by alex2009 on Sept 7, 2009 13:20:35 GMT
Well if we get down to it Sam Roberts rode Blanche Miller's connemara last year at BCPS breed show . You have a good memory, is that true? Oh dear it looks like a can of worms been opened here... I emailed the NPS about Newbury and got a very swift and no doubt prepared reply quoting the rules at me. Fair enough, rules are rules. But why on earth did the NPS not fore see this been a problem, and address it straight away? Or at least before the entries closed- You have to wonder some days what there thinking.
|
|
|
Post by mrcolinnli on Sept 7, 2009 13:48:42 GMT
Yes, SR did ride at the connie breed show, Rosenharley ban rion laura won the very novice mares and was very novice champion!
|
|
|
Post by going bananas on Sept 7, 2009 14:03:40 GMT
I know rules allow alot of questionable things to take place "Prior to January 1st" but i think if you ride a pony that belongs to a judge that just happens to be judging at Olympia the following year that is just not acceptable. I know it is probably within the margins of being legal but come on, it is a very very close call.
|
|
|
Post by guestey on Sept 7, 2009 14:16:06 GMT
Especially as when she would have ridden Olympia Judge's Connie, said Judge would have already accepted to judge Olympia 2009 and that competitor goes out and qualifies multiple ponies for the championship - absolutely not on!!!
|
|
|
Post by Silvia on Sept 7, 2009 14:49:59 GMT
I'm sooooo pleased the new rule will be in place next year. Don't hold your breath as it is rumored that some one has threatened the NPS with court action unless they back down on the new rule.
|
|
|
Post by Camillanli on Sept 7, 2009 15:02:55 GMT
To be honest it looks like the NPS just need to stick to their rules. Mrs Jordan should not have been judging if her pony was entered in a qualifier as stated in the rule book.
Sam Roberts can ride in this years championship because her association with this years championship judge was prior to the 1st january.
I can understand peoples frustrations but the rules are there for a reason and as Mrs Jordan has stood down then this is the correct course of action from the NPS
please do not vilify people on this thread - it's actually quite upsetting how nasty some people can be when a rumour gets started - even if you are not involved
|
|
|
Post by monarch123 on Sept 7, 2009 15:59:59 GMT
It was a democratic vote on the new ruling so this should be accepted. Every member had a chance to vote and if they didnt dont moan. I think it is a good ruling personally and will stop one rider qualifying multiple ponies, because they can only ride one at the final. Stick to your guns NPS
The new ruling was a recommendation for this year but it has been made a mockery of which is a shame, people just flaunt the rules.
I dread to think what the HOYS qualifiers will be like next year...........
The Newbury judge situation is an absolute disaster and I think they should have perhaps left Mrs Jordan in place at this late stage especially as the entries had closed. Her pony only did one qualifying round at Windsor and was not placed.
|
|
|
Post by alex2009 on Sept 7, 2009 16:21:08 GMT
I know rules allow alot of questionable things to take place "Prior to January 1st" but i think if you ride a pony that belongs to a judge that just happens to be judging at Olympia the following year that is just not acceptable. I know it is probably within the margins of being legal but come on, it is a very very close call. But I'm sure there have been other occasions when there has been just as close if not closer connections. To quote the Disney ride song "it's a small world after all"- If it's within the rules then that's the end off it.
|
|
|
Post by lexus on Sept 7, 2009 16:43:16 GMT
There doesn't seem to be a problem with any other rider producers on here. There may be rules but SR is just making a joke of it all. She rides for everyone and has so many connections it wouldn't matter what she's on. She needs to consider how much she upsets people by competing in this way. There is such a thing called political correctness which is a huge part of sportsmanship. I would like to add that I think her connie is gorgeous but as Blanche Miller is a connie lady and SR rode for her last year I think it makes a mockery of it. What a shame.
|
|
|
Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 7, 2009 16:47:20 GMT
I'm not supporting either side here - but...........
Do you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the rider in question was paid an engagement fee for riding the 'very novice Connemara' last year, for this year's NPS Championship Judge in question??
So much flack is thrown about and much of it is unfounded.
|
|
|
Post by ruler on Sept 7, 2009 16:54:58 GMT
Bring on 2010 ;D
|
|
|
Post by tuppence on Sept 7, 2009 16:57:17 GMT
Mathew Lawrence would not go under Jackie Webb!!!!!! (pardon the pun) Excuse me, I'm trying to eat my tea! (PMSL)
|
|
|
Post by tuppence on Sept 7, 2009 17:01:19 GMT
I'm sooooo pleased the new rule will be in place next year. Don't hold your breath as it is rumored that some one has threatened the NPS with court action unless they back down on the new rule. I am totally a "plaited" person, so have no axe to grind but I do think the NPS must stick to their guns and not allow themselves to be bullied into changing the rules to suit a few people.
|
|
|
Post by Scrabble on Sept 7, 2009 17:10:32 GMT
I'm sooooo pleased the new rule will be in place next year. Don't hold your breath as it is rumored that some one has threatened the NPS with court action unless they back down on the new rule. Get serious! It wouldn't go to court. Stupid issues likke this would be settled outside. Even big money racing squalbbles don't make court. The courts wouldn't be interested though the legal beagles might like to earn some dosh from you lot. Courts have more important things to deal with than small minded [sorry but this is true when you consider what is going on in the world] people talking a load of tosh about ponies and what is blatantly self interest. The real concern here is that you are suggesting a jockey has more influence that a competition judge. That should be halted once and for all. Some riders are becoming too greedy and behaving as though they are god's gift to the show ring. They aren't and others will soon fill their shoes. Look to the REAL pro's - Richard Telford & Carol Isaac spring to mind. They have grown up gracefully and get on with the game within the rules. They are the ones the younger riders shoukld aspire to follow. Avoid those kicking up a fuss and telling pony tails.
|
|
|
Post by Connie Girl on Sept 7, 2009 17:14:10 GMT
I'm not supporting either side here - but........... Do you KNOW FOR CERTAIN that the rider in question was paid an engagement fee for riding the 'very novice Connemara' last year, for this year's NPS Championship Judge in question?? So much flack is thrown about and much of it is unfounded. We'd heard from one of her friends that she had it for schooling until late in the year? Is this true? Gemma James rides it superbly and looks the business so perhaps she'll keep the ride next season.
|
|
|
Post by wornthetshirt on Sept 7, 2009 17:21:22 GMT
Don't hold your breath as it is rumored that some one has threatened the NPS with court action unless they back down on the new rule. Get serious! It wouldn't go to court. Stupid issues likke this would be settled outside. Even big money racing squalbbles don't make court. The courts wouldn't be interested though the legal beagles might like to earn some dosh from you lot. Courts have more important things to deal with than small minded [sorry but this is true when you consider what is going on in the world] people talking a load of tosh about ponies and what is blatantly self interest. The real concern here is that you are suggesting a jockey has more influence that a competition judge. That should be halted once and for all. Some riders are becoming too greedy and behaving as though they are god's gift to the show ring. They aren't and others will soon fill their shoes. Look to the REAL pro's - Richard Telford & Carol Isaac spring to mind. They have grown up gracefully and get on with the game within the rules. They are the ones the younger riders shoukld aspire to follow. Avoid those kicking up a fuss and telling pony tails. 1) I totally agree, it will not go to court. Added to everything which you have said, the good name of the NPS would not allow itself to be dragged into this sort of mire. Members had the oportunity to make their vote. 2) - however, whilst I also agree with you regarding your comments "look at the real pro's" - may I ask you to step back a little and just think - as, one of those mentioned comes on here (or sends someone on here) with attitude, and it is definately not the male one who, professionally, keeps silence.
|
|
|
Post by tonic on Sept 7, 2009 17:47:11 GMT
There doesn't seem to be a problem with any other rider producers on here. There may be rules but SR is just making a joke of it all. She rides for everyone and has so many connections it wouldn't matter what she's on. She needs to consider how much she upsets people by competing in this way. There is such a thing called political correctness which is a huge part of sportsmanship. I would like to add that I think her connie is gorgeous but as Blanche Miller is a connie lady and SR rode for her last year I think it makes a mockery of it. What a shame. She couldnt care less. A little off toppic, but SRs attitude was spelt out to me at Moreton Show this weekend. She took the connie in the last HOYS qualifier of the year, even though it qualified months ago and has won just about everything since. What was the need? Of course it won, and consequently took the spotlight off the pony who had just got its ticket. IMO that is very bad sportmanship. Im sure to her its just another red rossette.
|
|
|
Post by Guestless on Sept 7, 2009 17:55:14 GMT
I know rules allow alot of questionable things to take place "Prior to January 1st" but i think if you ride a pony that belongs to a judge that just happens to be judging at Olympia the following year that is just not acceptable. I know it is probably within the margins of being legal but come on, it is a very very close call. It's not something I would do, but whether we like it or not, it's not breaking any rules and therefore we need to accept it - or someone needs to start a campaign to get the wording changed. There is IMO no point in grumbling about the rules, if you're not prepared to stand up and try to get them changed.
|
|
|
Post by coxwood on Sept 7, 2009 18:42:53 GMT
Perhaps what the NPS need to do is tighten up the rules with regard to the Olympia Chps and rewrite the rule to read not before the " 1st of January of the previous year "at the end of the day if this prestigious competition is to survive the members need to have complete confidence that we are being judged fairly . If Sam R goes onto win Olympia how will that look , equally it may well work against her , the said judge may not wish to appear biased and disregard her completely . The sad thing is that all this could be avoided by not putting herself in that position to begin with after all there will be many more Olympias for Miss R where as for most of us it is a once in a lifetime experience.
|
|
|
Post by robertparkerjones on Sept 7, 2009 18:55:04 GMT
Rules are rules and if none are being broken then there is nothing to answer. Owners often request that ponies attend shows. After all they are not paying showing livery for a pony to stay at home!!! January 1st is a magical date as far as many rules are concerned!
|
|
|
Post by leo on Sept 7, 2009 20:07:03 GMT
There doesn't seem to be a problem with any other rider producers on here. There may be rules but SR is just making a joke of it all. She rides for everyone and has so many connections it wouldn't matter what she's on. She needs to consider how much she upsets people by competing in this way. There is such a thing called political correctness which is a huge part of sportsmanship. I would like to add that I think her connie is gorgeous but as Blanche Miller is a connie lady and SR rode for her last year I think it makes a mockery of it. What a shame. She couldnt care less. A little off toppic, but SRs attitude was spelt out to me at Moreton Show this weekend. She took the connie in the last HOYS qualifier of the year, even though it qualified months ago and has won just about everything since. What was the need? Of course it won, and consequently took the spotlight off the pony who had just got its ticket. IMO that is very bad sportmanship. Im sure to her its just another red rossette. Lets stick to the issue here, it is not unusual for ponies to be taken out after they have qualified - in fact i've noticed it appears to be an increasingly common activity with many 2nds taking tickets this year. Plus i believe that following taking its hoys/olympia tickets i dont think he had many outings until NPS champs?
|
|