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Post by teddydog on Dec 1, 2009 7:00:46 GMT
I breed 158 and found that noone tends to want to buy the youngstock to bring on they want the ready made product for not a lot. I am always being told to ask more for my babies as they are quality but when i do i dont sell them!!
I never paid big money for any of our ponies for my son and we broke them or bought them as youngsters and had loads of fun and won a lot at county level.
I wish people would offer these sum s for the lovely youngstock i have in the field!!!
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Post by Tandy on Dec 1, 2009 7:34:05 GMT
Teddydog my pal who has a stud has the same problem as you, people just wont pay the amount she wants for her youngstock.
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Post by mandmfan on Dec 1, 2009 8:08:15 GMT
The problem is Teddydog is that if you buy a youngster, unless you are experienced and very good, a lot of people have to pay a professional to help break the pony in and bring it on. Therefore the total amount spent on the pony soon mounts up which is why most people won't fork out a lot for youngsters even if they are very quality. I do agree that if the ponies are up and going, then their value should be be appreciated and people be prepared to pay accordingly. As you said yourself you did not pay a lot for your son's young ponies as you had to bring them on or break them yourselves and so it is difficult to expect others to pay too much for youngstock. But not being a breeder myself, I imagine it must be difficult to sell your home-bred stock at what you consider not their true value knowing that in a few years' time they may be worth a fortune. I suppose the other argument is that it is better they are sold and on their way to doing something rather than in the field eating their heads off. I do sympathise though.
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Post by traffik on Dec 1, 2009 8:22:52 GMT
Early this year a friend paid 16k for two youngsters, one 3yrs, other 4yrs, these are potential for dressage, i just dont understand what with inflation etc, the price of young show stock, it doesnt add up. perhaps very selective breeding is the answer.
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Post by fmm on Dec 4, 2009 7:25:31 GMT
We tend not to buy anything younger than three any more. Despite being experienced with horses of all ages, the ability of younger horses to do something stupid to themselves is overwhelming! Keystone Cob is one we had as a 2 year old. Most of ours arrive in their three year old year, have a little time turned out and being civilised and then start working after HOYS is over. Youngsters are such a gamble, and cost the same to keep as a horse that is almost ready to start doing things. Dinger arrived just broken as a 5 year old (breaking some of them late doesn't seem to do any harm ...!!!)
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Post by mandmfan on Dec 4, 2009 8:46:33 GMT
One of mine was not broken until 7 and although not a top m&m is fantastic in all other ways. And at the age of 14 now still has immaculate limbs which I attribute to not having any pressure/work put on her legs at an early age.
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Post by pencaedu on Dec 4, 2009 9:27:19 GMT
But watching them grow from babies to ridden is so rewarding... And you don't have to worry about what 'knitting' needs to be undone.. you know everything that has happened to the animal, so it shouldn't have any 'hang-ups'.
You also know things like - if it doesn't like it's ears touched, it's because you haven't done it enough as a youngster, so you need to work on it - if you buy in older it could be because it's been twitched!!
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Post by teddydog on Dec 4, 2009 11:57:20 GMT
I paid not a lot for my son s ponies because we where offered them at those prices.
But i do think people miss out on so much its as you say pencaedu its so rewarding to do it and see it yourself and then you do have only yourself to blame.
I have stored a couple of mine and they will be 3 next year. Be interested to know how that goes but i do know when i was trying to sell Dowhills Storm Burst as a 3 year old i had very little interest even though he had a fab temprament had been in the ring a bit to prove that he was the quality and give him eduction but still had problems selling him and he is going to be a top 158 ISRT imo!!!
Could not get that at all seeming everyone is supposed to be looking for them!!!
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Post by percyp on Dec 4, 2009 18:40:33 GMT
The price of SHP's appears to have dropped a quite a bit over the last year. I know of a 15hh SHP which went to HOYS last year and the RIHS, went to the RIHS this year for two seperate classes and already has its 2010 ticket for the RIHS and no one is interested in buying it.
The price doesnt exceed the 10K mark and it is a very genuine pony but there doesnt seem to be the market out there at the moment to sell these ponies.
I would say 10 - 15K for a SHP which is at HOYS standard isnt an ridiculous price to pay aslong as you have the money to buy it in the first place.
I agree with you Teddydogg that apparently there is still a market out there, I cant see it at the moment!
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Post by dsmum on Dec 21, 2009 16:55:21 GMT
I have 4 ponies and the most I paid was £11000. It is a lot of money but not only is he a top class pony he has the most fantastic temprament and will be with me till he dies. Ive had him for 2 years now and he gives me a lot of pleasure so he was cheap at the price. For me temprament and performance record commands high prices and I for one and willig to pay for the thousands of hours it takes someone to produce a horse like that - Im really paying for their time and dedication.
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Post by traffik on Feb 22, 2010 22:13:16 GMT
wev scoured the country hunting for new unseen ponies, and still had to part with 12k and 16k and are trying to secure a 3rd. a reccession? i dont think so!! breeders are still demanding healthy prices for good stock.
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Post by princessstacie22 on Feb 22, 2010 23:30:41 GMT
im sorry but 20k for a red rossette from hoys if your lucky is a bloody expensive rossette!!!!
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Post by pencaedu on Feb 23, 2010 7:08:13 GMT
I don't get it. Where is the satisfaction in buying something for £20k that has been there & done it - are you not just using someone elses work? Much more satisfying to buy something & turn it in to a winner with your own hard work in my opinion.
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Post by mol123 on Feb 23, 2010 13:12:02 GMT
totally agree pencaedu the amounts of money being talked about on here is like another language to me! i would also be so bored sitting on somthing that someone else had produced for me and would feel like giving the producer the rossetes if i won!
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Post by tafsmum on Feb 24, 2010 14:25:17 GMT
If it is proven then it is worthy of its price tag, i think if something has been shown at hoys then the chances are it ticks all the boxes movement conformation looks colour and whatever else is so important in a showing class so why shouldnt it have a higher price tag than a risk? To put things into prespective someone has put the time and money into getting it to that level therefor that cost is not to be incurred by the prospective buyer. Lets just be thankful the few that think they are expensive are not into showjumping at the top level where the prices make the figures spoken about on here seem minimal.
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