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Post by bigbrother on Oct 5, 2009 21:36:09 GMT
Wonder how many people will break the rules and get away with it!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 21:38:18 GMT
please clarify? sorry i am tired!
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Post by Guestless on Oct 5, 2009 21:52:31 GMT
Is some blatant stirring attempt, or is there a point to your post?
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Post by bigbrother on Oct 5, 2009 21:59:30 GMT
no stirring genuine rule breaking, connection with one of the judges.
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Oct 5, 2009 22:01:02 GMT
what is the point of the thread if that is all you are going to say?
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 22:07:58 GMT
I know, either say it or dont!
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Post by wornthetshirt on Oct 5, 2009 22:51:43 GMT
I know, either say it or dont! If you "know" - then say! |
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 5, 2009 23:03:00 GMT
Think someone maybe stirring?
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Post by tuppence on Oct 6, 2009 5:13:14 GMT
Re: Monmouth
« Reply #43 on Sept 19, 2009, 4:27pm »
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Dont the 'Langfield Nightcap' people own a Llanath pony as well so how can they go to HOYS , surely this is a connection with the judge ??
Is this what "Bigbrother" is talking about?
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 6, 2009 6:10:00 GMT
If you own a pony bred by someone yet are showing another then its not a problem providing the judge hasnt bred, produced or sold said pony, i think its a stirring post no cheating from what i can see !
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Post by girly on Oct 6, 2009 8:00:22 GMT
Seems like someone is jealous cos they didn't qualify.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 6, 2009 11:52:26 GMT
If it is not how it seems then please original poster explain some more as we can only go on what we read but girly i am tending to agree  |
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 6, 2009 11:56:30 GMT
Probably!
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Post by Shiver on Oct 6, 2009 12:09:56 GMT
Whats the betting that the big pro yards won't get dope tested.
We were told of an owner who requested her produced pony to be tested at HOYS a few years ago and a person told her her pony would definitely not be tested and to get on and do the class. Random testing Huh.
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Post by no change on Oct 6, 2009 12:19:05 GMT
Whats the betting that the big pro yards won't get dope tested. We were told of an owner who requested her produced pony to be tested at HOYS a few years ago and a person told her her pony would definitely not be tested and to get on and do the class. Random testing Huh. exactly the same happened in one of the horse classes at the royal-the governing society would 'not allow' this well known yard's horse to be tested even though the judge requested it! |
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Post by Team Fenton on Oct 6, 2009 12:55:28 GMT
As far as i am aware with BSPS you can't exhibit any ponies you own under a judge you have bought from until a certain time limit has expired, and obviously you can never show the pony you bought.
NPS rules have confirmed that this is a grey area in there rule book for this year and changes will be made for next year and even tho the rules state "the pony' cannot be shown it does not state about any another pony however they expect people to use some common sense and honesty and do what is called 'the right thing' and not compete if there has been any financial gain from selling ponies. So this would be up to the individual and their conscience if they show another pony.
Regarding doping i am told that they dont test at hoys unless you object and put money down to have one tested.
HOYS dont seem to bother too much about rules so if you want to cheat here is a good place !!!!!!!!
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Post by fmm on Oct 6, 2009 13:03:46 GMT
My horse was dope tested at HOYS either last year or the year before (can't remember, it all blends into one!) - we are a pro yard. I understand it is random selection,
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Post by mini on Oct 6, 2009 14:12:19 GMT
Re- Dope testing
we are on a producers yard and my pony was tested at nps champs , i had a long conversation about the whole thing and he said to me that at hoys they pick out certain classes and he assures me that if i sat and watched every class i would see him walk into the ring at the end of the class with a bag containing all the competitor numbers and 1 of the numbers would be picked out by the judge this horse/pony would be tested he was a very nice chap and very approachable so look out for him and ask for yourselves
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Post by wornthetshirt on Oct 6, 2009 14:19:45 GMT
Re- Dope testing we are on a producers yard and my pony was tested at nps champs , i had a long conversation about the whole thing and he said to me that at hoys they pick out certain classes and he assures me that if i sat and watched every class i would see him walk into the ring at the end of the class with a bag containing all the competitor numbers and 1 of the numbers would be picked out by the judge this horse/pony would be tested he was a very nice chap and very approachable so look out for him and ask for yourselves Did he also explain to you that this would be random? (a bit like a kiddies 'lucky dip') |
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Post by Guestless on Oct 6, 2009 14:25:45 GMT
As far as i am aware with BSPS you can't exhibit any ponies you own under a judge you have bought from until a certain time limit has expired, and obviously you can never show the pony you bought. NPS rules have confirmed that this is a grey area in there rule book for this year and changes will be made for next year and even tho the rules state "the pony' cannot be shown it does not state about any another pony however they expect people to use some common sense and honesty and do what is called 'the right thing' and not compete if there has been any financial gain from selling ponies. So this would be up to the individual and their conscience if they show another pony. ...but just because someone owns a pony with the judge's prefix doesn't mean there has been a financial transaction between them - the pony could have seen sold more than once and the current owner could have bought it from someone else. |
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Post by mini on Oct 6, 2009 17:03:10 GMT
yes he said it was random
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Post by Shiver on Oct 6, 2009 17:07:57 GMT
What it was the same person at NPS who also spoke to the owner of the pony at HOYS? There is that chance if we are thjinking randomly.
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Surely it's far worse that people are going to compete under people who have employed them
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Post by halfpass on Oct 6, 2009 17:18:14 GMT
here we go again, HOYS is just about to start and the back stabbing HAS started, why all the cryptic clues if you are sure of your facts then name who you are talking about so that it can be checked and looked at to see if any misconduct is happening, put up or shut up and let the rest of us enjoy ourselves either as competitor or spectator.
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Post by hollycane on Oct 6, 2009 17:19:59 GMT
I can't see why it's far worse to compete under people who have employed you? Just because you are employed by them doesn't neccesarily mean they like you or would do you any favours. There would be no judges and no riders if there was a rule against this now with so many of our riders going on to judge.
I'm now judging people who employed me. I judge people who are my customers in my professional life. I judge people who are my suppliers in my professional life. How does that stand? Am I automatically bent? I can't tell who is coming in the ring remember.
Can we leave off the judge bashing? Judging HOYS and the RIHS is frankly horrible for judges at the best of time without people assuming the worst before it starts.
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Post by cassie30 on Oct 6, 2009 17:27:01 GMT
Hear hear Hollycane, and Halfpass for that matter, if you weren't lucky enough to get there this year there is always next, let people have their moment of glory, without the awful remarks, please?
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Post by Shiver on Oct 7, 2009 4:04:34 GMT
Pleased to see healthy debate and opinions being raised by all of us lucky enough to compete this week. Showing is a small circle and far better the whispers passed around the ring are stopped by those affected.
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Post by haylage on Oct 7, 2009 7:55:01 GMT
dont you just love silly season!!!!!!! some people need to get out more!
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 7, 2009 8:42:50 GMT
Could you please stop whispering at the back, some of us are just trying to enjoy it.
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Post by chezz6904 on Oct 11, 2009 20:04:58 GMT
how sad the showing word can be sometimes it is a shame, why cant we all go out and enjoy it??? fact is showing is more of who, not what you know and always will be anyway!! so jus enjoy it when it is there and look at some of the amzing quality we will see this week. the ones on top r what horses are all about pure quality and a hell of alot of hard work!! being a groom i know the work that goes into it and it makes me sad how we all cant jus be happy for each other??
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 10, 2010 18:59:24 GMT
i agree with chezz6904 showing seems to be sooo serious now a days you should go on enjoy non of the ridiculas things u may say about a horse tht wins beacause it is BETTER then youurs. just live with it if u want to get to the top u have to work for it
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