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Post by Artistic on Oct 11, 2009 20:16:31 GMT
Sorry to be dim geegee - which was yours? Yes, there will be lots of new partnerships next year - the old established ones like Silver Fox should have a good head start (what a season he's had) and there are some fab 13 handers on the market at the moment. What happened to M. Jolyon today?
Don't all scream but personally I'd quite like to see Pavarotti retire now - he's done it all this year (again) and it would be sad to see him deteriorate...
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Post by chaos on Oct 11, 2009 20:57:07 GMT
I thought it was ridiculous that the course was the same as last year...zero imagination and quite frankly boring, not to mention small - i agree with beenthere that it needed whacked up a few notches - i am sure things would have been very different! if they were really struggling they could surely have recycled a course from earlier years - seriously needs sorted out for next year...i personally think they should be aiming for 4 clears max...enough that its not a jumping class, but not a conformation class either...new coursebuilder please!
Bing was a very worthy champion
Mynach Jolyon decided to take a flyer at the 4th fence and ended up on top of it, and also had the next fence down as a result, a shame really.....definitely a pony to be snapped up IMO
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Post by emma3870 on Oct 11, 2009 21:10:56 GMT
having watched the workers for the first time this year I thought the course was uninspiring and a little boring to what I thought it would be. nothing scary and def smaller than I thought. anlot of silly rolled poles in the 153's as well. winner was stunning as was noble bing. ring was a bit cramped as well with jumps I thought. some great gallops though. well done to everyone as well. enjoyed it
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Post by Artistic on Oct 11, 2009 21:19:24 GMT
Thanks Chaos - yes, so agree that Jolyon is beautiful pony and has it all before him. It will be a very lucky child who gets him. Is C. Nutmeg sold? - what a pony she is! - am I right in thinking she hasn't had a pole since HOYS 2008? And it's such a strong section at the moment, with ponies like Tina Glitters not even qualifying despite her great season. The punters are spoilt for choice.
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Post by ziggy on Oct 11, 2009 21:26:17 GMT
wasnt down there today . but friend thought it was nice to see abit of a shake up in the 15hh workers. ive seen millionairess before and she truly is a lovely mare along side noble bing (what a star) - big thumbs up to the noble stud. where is it based?
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Post by treesaregreen on Oct 11, 2009 21:44:54 GMT
the noble stud is based in cheshire with the Lyons/Ward team so kelly and co had an amazing show getting the 14hh with my Stanleychops (yayyyyyyyyyy ), 15hh with millionairess, and the Ints with Bing.
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Post by faye1 on Oct 12, 2009 2:05:33 GMT
Results for the Shires!?? anyone know Thanks The shires looked absolutely fantastic - gorgeous winner and we would like to breed from the mare in second!! Was lovely to see them all spruced up in the main ring. Results are: The Show Register News HOYS - Shire Horse Of The Year Class 53 - Shire Horse Of The Year 1st - Hainton Charlie Girl 2nd - Pantyrhuad Heidi 3rd - Acle Sabrina 4th - Acle Dema's Double D 5th - Caerberllan Lady In White 6th - Grovemere Lady Margaret 7th - Penrhos Braveheart 8th - Boothay Richard 9th - Trelow Erianthe
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Post by obama on Oct 12, 2009 6:14:07 GMT
I went to watch today and imo the course was just right-a nice number of clears but took some riding. A HUGE well done to Katie Moult- def one to watch, went beutifully and still a novice. I thought the 15hh class was particularly strong. Well done everyone! Yes i saw that pony at the beginning of the season and he was as green as grass. i cannot believe how much he has developed well done Katie and Special Agent!
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 8:05:48 GMT
Agree with comments about the course. Very uninspiring. Where were the big white gates, the bridge, picket rails. There were far too many clears. Maybe next year the courses will be back to standard I felt very sorry for the Intermediate that jumped clear and was then eliminated during the show part because it became unsettled following a nasty incident where another horse was kicked. Surely the steward should have noticed the goings on and pointed it out to the judge. I would have felt gutted! As for the future stars - Special Agent is a great prospect. Some of the "newer" faces with be interesting measures next year and if I were in the market for one, I would definitely require a trip to the vets for their opinion! I personally was disappointed with a lot of the gallops - there was plenty of room to show more that just a couple of very slightly longer strides. Some of the jockeys were obviously not watching Chelsea Foster in the 153 who was not afraid to ask for one - and got it. The worst thing for me was seeing a very experienced pony being chastised in the collecting ring rather nastily by its mother after a disappointing round but then I do know that the whole thing is immense pressure from start to finish - especially in the workers because no child likes to feel that they have been humiliated in front of that large crowd and I know from experience how hard it is to console one that feels that way
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 8:19:01 GMT
Yes it was a shame that she was sent out as it wasnt her horse that started it all. I would have been very upset as well. The Lyons do a fab job with their workers I was very impressed with the Cheshire riders as lots of them were placed in their respective classes. Looks like Cheshire is the capital of workers! Callum Barnes, Emily Ward, Sasha and Jo Shaw in Warrington. Well done to Jo I really felt for you yesterday after the recent tragic events. My heart did go out to you!
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 8:30:41 GMT
Just as a matter of interest - and perhaps this should be a new thread, which WHP partnerships ares sadly over this year - I know lots of 133's but what about 143, 153 and Intermediates?
I know both 3 of the top 5 in the 133cm have at least another year together so they should have a cracking time next year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 8:31:38 GMT
Does anyone have the full marks for the small riding horse please that they could pm me? We left before they were available as they said they wouldnt be ready till about 6pm.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 8:32:43 GMT
Sasha is out of 15hh but she probably will move up to the intermediates as I think that Noble Millionaires will hold her own in that class too.
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 8:35:50 GMT
One other thing - and maybe this is just a "thing" of mine, but I watched the SHP's and a lot of the workers and I cannot believe how many ponies with very poor feet were highly placed. Now, I know there are a lot of other marks but you can always change leg (if striking off on the wrong one) but you cannot change poor conformation. There is an old nagsmans saying "no foot, no 'os" Don't judges look down there? Yet if they see a small splint in a "good position" that appears to be the end of the world
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Post by crazydaisy on Oct 12, 2009 8:36:59 GMT
Had to settle with 'watching' instead of competing this year due to not qualifying in the riding horses. Sat and watched quite a boring small riding horse class although the first and ninth both lovely animals did actually look interested in the job they were there to do and went absolutely beautifully for the ride judge. Dont normally watch the larges (apart from phil), that was a class that had you on the edge of your seat - with one absolutely throwing its toys out in the corner, what a rider she was! then the chestnut who kicked the boarding down the long side in its gallop - goodness me that was loud!! As far as the worker fences not being big enough - omg you lot must be brave (or mad)!
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 8:37:21 GMT
Sasha is out of 15hh but she probably will move up to the intermediates as I think that Noble Millionaires will hold her on in that class too. I agree, she is a beautiful mare, consistant and very well ridden. She thoroughly deserved her win yesterday. Big well done to all her connections, and those of the other winnners
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Post by beenthere on Oct 12, 2009 8:44:50 GMT
Agree with Beenthere - could have been bigger - did anyone else think it was strange that it was exactly the same course as last year? With the exception that number 10 was a little it further up?? Could have done with some imagination!!!! Yes! to you both! Daughter and I watched our DVD from last year Friday night and when walking the course got to fence 2 and remarked that exactly the same course as last year but not as big! Definitely a hole down from last year and that showed in the amount of clears. 7 in the 133. 4 in the 143, 7 in the 153. Didn't really see the intermediates, just Bing and from his round alone knew it would be hard to beat. IMO hardest to call was the 153, some great riding. Chuffed to bits with our result in the 133cm and with so many now out of class will be interesting to see next year! Well done geegee
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Post by bundle on Oct 12, 2009 8:45:08 GMT
I am with crazydaisy on this - fence bigger! So much easier when you are watching in the stands and next year I hope they are huge. We have decided to retire our Intermediate - none of us are as young as we used to be!! It was lovely to see some well deserved winners but actually our horse was kicked just before coming into the ring - we were pushed about all over the place trying to warm up and the whole day involved more walking than I would have done in the Marathon! It is a great show to qualify for but how glad am I we wont be doing it again!
I am not sure which clear was injured? Can someone tell me on here please. I know that Park Lane was banaged up going home from a kick but didn't realise another had also been injured. Ghastly thing to happen.
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Post by beenthere on Oct 12, 2009 8:46:53 GMT
Agree with comments about the course. Very uninspiring. Where were the big white gates, the bridge, picket rails. There were far too many clears. Maybe next year the courses will be back to standard I felt very sorry for the Intermediate that jumped clear and was then eliminated during the show part because it became unsettled following a nasty incident where another horse was kicked. Surely the steward should have noticed the goings on and pointed it out to the judge. I would have felt gutted! As for the future stars - Special Agent is a great prospect. Some of the "newer" faces with be interesting measures next year and if I were in the market for one, I would definitely require a trip to the vets for their opinion! I personally was disappointed with a lot of the gallops - there was plenty of room to show more that just a couple of very slightly longer strides. Some of the jockeys were obviously not watching Chelsea Foster in the 153 who was not afraid to ask for one - and got it. The worst thing for me was seeing a very experienced pony being chastised in the collecting ring rather nastily by its mother after a disappointing round but then I do know that the whole thing is immense pressure from start to finish - especially in the workers because no child likes to feel that they have been humiliated in front of that large crowd and I know from experience how hard it is to console one that feels that way I think if you measured a majority of any of the workers they would be over height. Our two 153cms are positively dwarfed by some of the very good ones and they are genuine 153cms you could measure at anytime. It would have been nice to see the Working hunter PONY of the year title go to ponies!
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Post by beenthere on Oct 12, 2009 8:50:09 GMT
I am with crazydaisy on this - fence bigger! So much easier when you are watching in the stands and next year I hope they are huge. We have decided to retire our Intermediate - none of us are as young as we used to be!! It was lovely to see some well deserved winners but actually our horse was kicked just before coming into the ring - we were pushed about all over the place trying to warm up and the whole day involved more walking than I would have done in the Marathon! It is a great show to qualify for but how glad am I we wont be doing it again! I am not sure which clear was injured? Can someone tell me on here please. I know that Park Lane was banaged up going home from a kick but didn't realise another had also been injured. Ghastly thing to happen. I agree, the warm up was carnage, Bud's breeder came to watch and they do an awful lot of BSJA at top level and her comment was the collecting ring was a disgrace and it had far too many flying round in every direction and it would not be allowed to happen BSJA. I think maybe a suggestion for a collecting ring steward for next year allowing only 5 at a time to jump before they go in, a one in one out system maybe safer.
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Post by fmm on Oct 12, 2009 8:50:22 GMT
Does anyone have the full marks for the small riding horse please that they could pm me? We left before they were available as they said they wouldnt be ready till about 6pm. They never normally give out the marks for the riding horses, hacks and cobs (or at least we have never been allowed to see them). We only ever get coloured marks.
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 8:51:38 GMT
We could not believe the course was the same as last yr when we walked it except a hole lower! We were thrilled to jump IMO a really good clean clear that went forward and would have been everything you would have looked for on a hunting field but ended up with one of the lowest jump marks and those that show jumped and put in 3 in 2 strided doubles got better marks! Thats showing for you![/quote]
That has happened a lot this year - and is very disappointing I agree
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Post by fmm on Oct 12, 2009 8:55:16 GMT
The most dangerous time was before we were due to go into the supreme for the pre judging at the Caldene. The LR and mini championship was on immediatley before, so there were 100s of toddlers running around the warm up area with little or no parental supervision. I was horrified that this was allowed to happen. Dinger is very well behaved in that sort of situation (well, in most situations really!) and even he was finding it difficult. Being the obvious place to warm up before the supreme, there were 10 or so horses trying to prepare themselves, and there were maybe 100 people mooching around the warm up and children playing games. There were (as far as I know) no serious injuries. But one child threw a plastic bag at Dinger which hit him and wrapped around his front legs. If this had been The Philanderer, I suspect that he would not have taken it quite as well. So PLEASE - the stewards all did the most fantastic job this year and were calm and smiling most of the time, but an accident will happen if families use the collecting ring as a picnic/meeting/playground area.
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 9:01:03 GMT
Agree with comments about the course. Very uninspiring. Where were the big white gates, the bridge, picket rails. There were far too many clears. Maybe next year the courses will be back to standard I felt very sorry for the Intermediate that jumped clear and was then eliminated during the show part because it became unsettled following a nasty incident where another horse was kicked. Surely the steward should have noticed the goings on and pointed it out to the judge. I would have felt gutted! As for the future stars - Special Agent is a great prospect. Some of the "newer" faces with be interesting measures next year and if I were in the market for one, I would definitely require a trip to the vets for their opinion! I personally was disappointed with a lot of the gallops - there was plenty of room to show more that just a couple of very slightly longer strides. Some of the jockeys were obviously not watching Chelsea Foster in the 153 who was not afraid to ask for one - and got it. The worst thing for me was seeing a very experienced pony being chastised in the collecting ring rather nastily by its mother after a disappointing round but then I do know that the whole thing is immense pressure from start to finish - especially in the workers because no child likes to feel that they have been humiliated in front of that large crowd and I know from experience how hard it is to console one that feels that way I think if you measured a majority of any of the workers they would be over height. Our two 153cms are positively dwarfed by some of the very good ones and they are genuine 153cms you could measure at anytime. It would have been nice to see the Working hunter PONY of the year title go to ponies! Lets hope then, that after this year's shake up, the vets will be less likely to look at there sticks through rose coloured spectacles. I'm with you Beenthere, ours was not a struggle to measure, but had to be prepared properly - and by that, I don't mean that in any cruel way and was allowed well over 10 minutes to settle - but he looks miniscule against some of them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 9:04:22 GMT
Does anyone have the full marks for the small riding horse please that they could pm me? We left before they were available as they said they wouldnt be ready till about 6pm. They never normally give out the marks for the riding horses, hacks and cobs (or at least we have never been allowed to see them). We only ever get coloured marks. Ah thats a shame we really wanted to see where our friend's horse lost its marks because we felt that he gave the judge an extremely good ride.
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 9:11:20 GMT
Bundle, I am not necessarily saying "bigger" (they all look ridiculously enormous to me and I sat on the scaffolding under the stands!!!) but more interesting with some slight more adventurous routes. Now, ours didn't jump clear - just one pole - but even my less than expert jockey said that the course was directionally too easy - just a couple of figures of eight! Surely you must agree that 9 clears turns it into another SHP class. I am not one that advocates a lot of E's and F's but one fence yesterday caused by far the most of the faults - this cannot be good.
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Post by bundle on Oct 12, 2009 9:19:05 GMT
You are talking my language agent - they needed some better angles and proper related distances etc rather than larger. I thought the whole class (intermediate) was strange. I think we all knew the winner in advance but did you notice that the 153cms we all at the bottom end of the line and the larger ones at the top. Sensation jump a fantastic round and Mathew Cooper's pony always jumps well and they were treated badly I thought. Top Gun is an out and out jumper but these days show jumps - Rockstar obviously blew it in his show. Still don't know which horse/pony that jumped clear didn't go forward.
The comment about Working Hunter Pony I take on board but have discussed this before - the Intermediate Class does not have Pony in its title so while they are included in the Championship - it is likely that a 158 horse will win it.
Hope I am not being too controversial on here!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2009 9:25:13 GMT
I can tell you the number of the horse that was asked to leave the ring as I wrote all the clears, faults etc etc down so have a complete list of the intermediates. 1610 was the one that was asked to leave.
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Post by agent on Oct 12, 2009 9:43:16 GMT
The horse that wasn't forward, because it was eliminated for fidgeting after Park Lane was kicked, was ridden by poor Jessica Andrews-Gayler - they were understandably devastated!!
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Post by bundle on Oct 12, 2009 9:55:37 GMT
Larcen's Leap - what a shame. I had no idea - I saw Park Lane later with his hock bandaged but to be honest the last bit when all the intermediates came out of the ring to find the collecting ring full of first riddens was an accident waiting to happen - I officially hate hoys as a show. I don't think we will miss it a bit and didn't want to see Katie Price either!!!!!!!!!
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