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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 1, 2010 11:24:45 GMT
Just wondering what everyone thought on this matter….A girl on our yard has recently bought a just turned 3 TB x gelding, he is very immature for his age and has no muscle what so ever and is under weight, she paid very little for him from a novice rider who had apparently been schooling him 3 times a week? He has only seen traffic twice, he was apparently broken at 2?
Any way he is so sweet, excellent in the stable and tries his little heart out to please you, now personally if he was mine I would have rugged him well up and chucked him out until Summer and re started him then, the girl that has bought him is supposed to be very knowledgeable, she is in her last year of vet training and has broken youngsters previously.
However my concern is the fact that this poor thin, immature horse is now doing 4 – 6 days of schooling at one hour a time! He is barely 3 and comes out sweating buckets! She said to me yesterday – “he cant have been ridden that much before I got him as he is really unfit!” Whats worse is her instructor is teaching her for an hour at a time!]
Maybe it is just me being soft but surely this is not whats best for the horse in the long run? I haven’t said anything to her as I’m not one to interfere but I feel for him when he’s been made to canter round and round in circles with no variation to his education at all!
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Post by caron on Mar 1, 2010 11:53:26 GMT
Thats an awful lot for a 3 year old, I know TB's are supposed to mature earlier for racing but even so... And every session being schooling sounds cr@ppy, very dull I would imagine. ETA just re-read that he is a TBx so probably not as mature as some pure TB's would be at 3yo. Poor thing will probably be wrecked by the time its 7.
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 1, 2010 18:10:52 GMT
Well I do think it is unkind at best. However, by not saying anything you are condoning what she is doing. I would say it is better to say something (politely) to her.
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Post by gadabout on Mar 1, 2010 18:20:49 GMT
Sageandonion I totally agree with you, I have owned and bred T.Bs for 45 years and they are slow to mature. I bought a yearling from Doncaster, which stood 13.2" as a yearling. It was only 14.2" as a 4 yr old, but by the time it was 7 it was 16.1 and a Champion Riding Horse. This little fella shows what a lovely biddable temperament they have. Please for the sake of the horse say something to her, or at least print this thread off. Alot of riding instructors leave alot to be desired. I have seen one teaching a girl and her horse was made to canter on left rein for 3/4 hr. What is that all about?
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 1, 2010 19:12:03 GMT
What a difficult situation you are in!! If I were you I would point out in a kind way that the horse is too young,too immature and too thin for the amount of work she is expecting him to do. If she is thst desperate to ride him some gentle hacking would be better than constant schooling, Maybe you could suggest hacking out with her a couple of times a week and make the hack very slow just walking. Explain the effects of too much work on his joints as well as his mental state as even the kindest horse will rebel when pushed to thier limit. Good Luck!!! Tell her to become a member of HG then she might learn something!!!!
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 1, 2010 19:18:24 GMT
Thanks for all your advice, what worries me most is the fact that in 6 months she will be a qualified vet - she should know about these things! My Section D is 12 but I dont even school him that much, if I did he would be flat as a pancake! I am a true believer in a varied life style, that poor horse has never seen a country lane in its life!
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Post by bigmama on Mar 1, 2010 21:35:37 GMT
Thanks for all your advice, what worries me most is the fact that in 6 months she will be a qualified vet.............. God help us all ! For goodness sake have a quiet word with her
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Post by brindlerainbow on Mar 1, 2010 21:48:21 GMT
Cant you buy him off her!!!!!! Dosent give you much faith in her as a vet does it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 1, 2010 21:56:29 GMT
I wish I could but she wouldn't sell and I've got 2 and a toddler already! The funny thing is she doesn't even intend to compete him so I am at a reall loss as to why she needs all this schooling any way! Im not a big fan of TB types but he is just gorgeous, such a sweet boy, I went to see him tonight and he has started manically weaving!
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Post by chiefgroom on Mar 2, 2010 7:06:35 GMT
Perhaps girl is using sessions as therapy for her own stress levels during exam time if she's coming to end of vet course perhaps? Are there other people on the yard who could ask her if she would like to join them out on a hack?
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Post by Nikki on Mar 2, 2010 8:16:58 GMT
I would just take her to one side and tell her.
I mean if shes gonna be a vet surely she will know about the growth plates and what early stress does etc.
Would be a bit hypocritcal of her to ever passs cmment on this to any horse owner given what she is doing!!
Nikki xxx
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 2, 2010 9:32:40 GMT
She does hack but on her other horse or on one of mine, she won’t hack him because he has only been out in traffic twice ever! She hasn’t even led him out, he hasn’t been off the yard!
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 2, 2010 11:04:44 GMT
Where is she studying?
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 2, 2010 11:27:32 GMT
Liverpool I think
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 2, 2010 11:36:37 GMT
I know a couple of visiting lecturers, I shall mention it too them if you like.
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 2, 2010 11:38:10 GMT
Sorry just had a thought, are you absolutely sure she is training to be a vet as she should be at Liverpool right now. Perhaps she is just saying that.
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 2, 2010 11:46:50 GMT
Yes she is, she was supposed to graduate last year but her dad was killed in an accident and she failed her exams, so she is re sitting them this year, she is only actually away for a few weeks later in the year apart from doing her exams.
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Post by chloe2 on Mar 4, 2010 22:02:38 GMT
This is very upsetting but a story heard too often. Definately say something - if you say it gently but firmly she may listen. You know it is wrong so please follow your heart and STICK YOUR NECK OUT for the sake of the horse. My m & m was backed lightly at 4 and eventually only had a half hour lesson. Now rising 5 his proper work lessons are 45mins. I wouldn't even sit on a 2 yr old. I personally don't think you should back until 4. Most breeds don't fully mature until , 6 or even 7 for a few.
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Post by mol123 on Mar 5, 2010 10:50:20 GMT
Poor you - this is the worst thing about sharing yards - oh to be rich and have a place to yourself! A young girl on my yard put me in the same sort of situation - she hasn't got a clue how to look after poor horse (feeds her all the wrong things, leaves her in all day with no hay/water, rides her when lame, i could go on) I said somthing to her in a gentle way and now she wont speak to me and carrys on abusing the poor mare. It is a really difficult situation to be in and I feel so sorry for the horse - I end up giving her water and mucking her out because I feel so sorry for her and the girl has a go at me for doing this! I hope this girl is more mature and will listen to you - I would still say somthing then at least you have tried for the poor horses sake! Good luck.
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Post by mol123 on Mar 5, 2010 10:51:10 GMT
o yeah forgot to say - this one also wants to be a vet - HELPPP!!!
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Post by dazycutter on Mar 5, 2010 19:11:37 GMT
just because they are training to be vets donest mean they know jack sh*t about bringing on young horses.... LOL
I know a lot of brilliant midwifes who bat for the other side so to speak so they know nothing about having a baby.....
however... you are in such a tough situation, its her horse and she is doing what she see's fit. I would be more worried about the mental damage than the physical.. lets face it 2YO TB's are raced and are as fit as fiddles...
he will probably object at some stage an put her on the deck... :-)
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Post by Kerbeck on Mar 15, 2010 11:59:35 GMT
Update - This horse was made to go on a 2 hour hack yesterday - first time out on the roads, he was made to trot most of the way, he returned from the ride at about 3pm, when I went to check on mine at half past 7 he was still dripping with sweat and wasn't eating, he had also been left un rugged - probably because she doesn't have a cooler for him! I have tried to talk to her about this but she won't have any of it! apparently he will let her know if he isn't up to the work load.... and I really hope he does!
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Post by missmuffett on Mar 21, 2010 13:49:52 GMT
That isnt good at all that poor horse,but there isnt alot you can do apart from have a word with her and advise her otherwise,although if she is training to be a vet (god help us all) she will probably think shes knows it all and tell you to stick it! And if she doesnt hack him because she is hacking yours or others horses then dont let her ride others again!i certainly would not let someone as careless as her ride my horses.Good luck have a karma x
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Post by dantheman on Mar 21, 2010 22:13:15 GMT
If the horse has not seen traffic before (which is apparntly preventing her from hacking it) why doesnt she long rein him out in traffic??? I back and break al few youngsters through thyear and all they do for the 1st few month ofbeen rideen isget hackedout (once stop start and turn has been established) so they can learn to walk trot and canter easier as lots of circles are too stressful for their limbs!!!
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Post by hs on Mar 22, 2010 21:40:33 GMT
She may not be training to be a horse vet - after all there are lots of types of animals and often like doctors vets specialise if she is just starting her course she may not even have got to the horse section yet or if she has almost finished and is in training to be a small animal vets she may not have done any horses stuff for years or that which she did was very basic.
There is a vet at our yard and some of her ideas are very odd indeed but then she is not a horse vet she is a small animals vet.
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Post by nici on Mar 23, 2010 19:40:52 GMT
I would be more worried about the mental damage than the physical.. lets face it 2YO TB's are raced and are as fit as fiddles... But how many of them are still living useful working lives 10 or 15 years later...? The article in this link makes for very interesting reading for anyone backing youngsters - ionisgwylon, maybe you could print it and share it with this poor youngster's owner? www.equinestudies.org/ranger_2008/ranger_piece_2008_pdf1.pdf
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Post by folk opera! on Mar 23, 2010 20:28:23 GMT
if i was u i would try talkin to her and if she dosent want to hack it out you could always offer to ride it and her to hack urs at the same time then the horse would have a change and not be made to over work all the time :)x
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Apr 10, 2010 20:50:04 GMT
:)Hiya, just read this and was quite horrified. Her instructor can't be up to much that's a definite. I hope she doesn't end up as a vet around where I live, we have loads of horsey practices who take on rookies and it's hell, they seem to qualify with a favourite ailment with seems to apply to every horse/pony they see. I had a pony who was ok in the morning and crippled in the afternoon, the rookie said it was wobbler syndrome and wanted to shoot it there and then. I argued and said no, it turned out to be its back and he was fine after physio and time off. Another one of mine was seen by a different vet for on/off stiffness, £800 bill later diagnosed bone spavin coming on.........that was in 2001 and I'm still waiting for it to appear. She was just lazy behind and it came right with work. My friend had the same diagnosis from the same rookie for her TB/ID and she was still waiting too! God help us all when this fruitcake qualifies, lets hope she treats budgies and guinea pigs.
Young horses, especially thin, poor ones should be well fed and brought on slowly with variety. The poor thing will be past it by the time its 6! Can't the yard owner say something if it causing ill-feeling?
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Post by sleepyhead on Apr 10, 2010 21:15:47 GMT
Sorry but there are 2 sides to every story - in no way would I condone any cruelty or unfairness but it is all a matter of opinion and sometimes what you percieve is not the same as someone else would! Is her instructor the same one who you say is unsympathetic to your nervousness and has no answers? It is very unfortunate(and unusual) that one yard would have 2 rubbish instructors or is there some personal friction here. Also you say the horse had never been hacked on the road, then you say it is hacked out for 2 hours and made to trot all the way - how do you know, were you there for all 2 hours? Also I find it difficult to believe the horse was still wet after so many hours. Sorry to sound negative but there are 2 sides to every story and if the other person is not aware of your posting they can not respond.
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Post by Kerbeck on Apr 12, 2010 21:10:17 GMT
Sleepyhead, no it isnt the same instructor, I know she went out for two hours as I was there when she set off and came back and she said 'we trotted most of the way around!' the yard doesn't have two instructors, each livery can have which ever instructor they choose and several visit the yard to teach. The hack I have talked about was the first one she had done on him! This is a horse that she didn't ride for two weeks and then went on to have an hour long lesson on even when several people told him he clearly needs his teeth doing as he was very uncomfortable in his mouth. I in no way intended to slag her off behind her back and have said eveything to her face that I have on here, she has even admitted that she only bought a youngster because she had a limited budget and she is now trying to part loan him out (at a cost) so some one else can do all the hard work! I started this post to see what other opinions were as I have always had Natives and I know that TB's mature differently
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