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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 7:56:41 GMT
This is an absolute load of rubbish, the stud you are talking about, is not breeding anywhere near that amount. I do have to wonder where on earth, you people get your information from?
So before you start pulling this stud to pieces, on a forum, again, please ensure you have your facts. This stud has never bred 100 foals in any one year, that is a ridiculous thing to say.
This stud has had one reduction sale in near on 40 years.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 8:50:07 GMT
Yes, it is the overbreeding thread. People really should get their facts right, before proceeding, with such comments. It is the biggest load of rubbish i have read, to date.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 28, 2010 9:02:37 GMT
I know which post you are referring to but no names have been mentioned?
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 9:07:25 GMT
No names, yet, but is obvious to anyone who knows of certain threads and/or sales last september.
These sorts of comments can be very damaging. I would also like to add, whilst i have the chance, that there were very few foals at the reduction sale last september. Most were run on at the stud.
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Post by allwellandgood on May 28, 2010 12:31:16 GMT
No names, yet, but is obvious to anyone who knows of certain threads and/or sales last september. These sorts of comments can be very damaging. I would also like to add, whilst i have the chance, that there were very few foals at the reduction sale last september. Most were run on at the stud. Yes maybe - I sincerely hope that the foals are being looked after this time as this stud has been done for cruelty. They probably aren't breeding that many, but at the end of the day they shouldn't be breeding any at all if they can't look after the ones that they have got. Responsible breeders wouldn't entertain letting their animals get into the condition that these we let get in.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 12:44:44 GMT
Have you seen the condition of these ponies/foals? if not that is a ridiclous thing to say, the condition of the ponies, was there for the world to see, last september!
Do you know about the case? was you there? I have visited this stud at several times, over the years and have never seen a pony in a bad way. Did you see any underweight, neglected animals at last years sale? I doubt it. The animals were in beautiful condition. The sale cost £10,000 to hold, not a single penny was made. Only a loss, a huge one, was made.
Do you think, spending that sort of money on a sale, is the actions of someone who does not care? He could have taken them to any of the awful sales and maybe made some money. It was a heart breaking day with some lovely ponies going through just a shame more did not turn up. There were several ponies, i would like to have taken home, i did not, because financially, i could not have kept them, though they were bargains, i know i did the right thing.
I shall again, be at this stud, very shortly and believe you me, the owner will not just show me the best he has, i will see them all, as usual. The rspca have alot to answer for in this case, all was not as made out to be, in the papers. Now give the man a break, unless you know him personally, or know of the goings on then you really have no right to comment. Gossip, though, is the highlight of some people's day.
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Post by sageandonion on May 28, 2010 12:47:13 GMT
I don't know what stud either though since you have put this post up I might ask a few people.
Why don't you put your comment on the thread concerned, it only takes a moment to register so you are able.
Personally I think that thread is very controlled and polite considering the welfare issues being discussed and the measures suggested for controlling the overbreeding of these animals (particularly Welsh As it seems) are sensible.
If people were able to Police themselves, they would not need others seeking to do it for them.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 12:49:45 GMT
I cant modify my post, as a guest, so will post here. Before people start on the larger studs, who breed quite a few, maybe look closer to home, sit back, take a moment, to look how many "studs" are on this site alone.
Add up all the smaller studs, then see how many ponies, especially the section A's, have been born this year already. There seems to be hundreds of these smaller studs. One large stud, may breed 30, but, add up all the foals from the smaller studs and suddenly you will see the real issue here. Everybody is breeding!
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Post by be careful on May 28, 2010 13:03:30 GMT
I know which post you are referring to but no names have been mentioned? It doesn't matter if no names are mentioned, providing at least one person can work out who the comment refers to it is still Libelous if the statement is not fact and I can work out from the comments who the poster is refering to !!!
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Post by Milliesmum on May 28, 2010 13:05:04 GMT
Do you know about the case? was you there? I have visited this stud at several times, over the years and have never seen a pony in a bad way.. Well, sticking with the FACTS, the person we are talking about was found guilty, in a court of law, of causing suffering to three ponies. One with a hoof abcess, one pregnant mare which was emaciated, and one which was euthanased as it was crippled with arthritis. And the person was given a two year conditional discharge. It was also stated in court that the land was waterlogged and ponies were scratching in the dirt for food. Those are the facts, which are freely available on line if you know where to look. Just because you haven't personally seen them, doesn't negate the fact that it happened. Having said that, any talk of how many foals are still being bred, and the condition of any remaining ponies is purely speculation.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 13:12:06 GMT
So you know the full facts? I think not! Writing comments taken from the internet proves nothing, as i said, do not believe all you read, in fact, the rspca caused more damage to a very nice mare than anyone else.
I can imagine the ground gets waterlogged, being where it is,no more water logged than my fields at home, in the floods of 2006, we had several ponies trapped on flooded land, in over 2 and a half foot of water, no food, stuck til we could get to them, does that make me a bad owner or cruel?
There are people found guilty in court, all the time, not always guilty though are they? Until you, Milliesmum, have been to this stud, as i have and many others, to get the real facts, it is pointless quoting what you find on the internet.
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Post by Milliesmum on May 28, 2010 13:12:54 GMT
I know which post you are referring to but no names have been mentioned? It doesn't matter if no names are mentioned, providing at least one person can work out who the comment refers to it is still Libelous if the statement is not fact and I can work out from the comments who the poster is refering to !!! Might be a good time then, to remind posters of this section of our site rules: You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold harmless this forum, and any related websites to this forum. We at this forum also reserve the right to reveal your identity (or any information we have about you) in the event of a complaint or legal action arising from any information posted by you.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 13:15:50 GMT
Those rules will also include the moderators of this site, who talk about things they know nothing about, quoting things from other sites, regarding cruelty cases, by the way!
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Post by Milliesmum on May 28, 2010 13:15:59 GMT
So you know the full facts? I think not! Writing comments taken from the internet proves nothing, as i said, do not believe all you read, in fact, the rspca caused more damage to a very nice mare than anyone else. I can imagine the ground gets waterlogged, being where it is,no more water logged than my fields at home, in the floods of 2006, we had several ponies trapped on flooded land, in over 2 and a half foot of water, no food, stuck til we could get to them, does that make me a bad owner or cruel? There are people found guilty in court, all the time, not always guilty though are they? Until you, Milliesmum, have been to this stud, as i have and many others, to get the real facts, it is pointless quoting what you find on the internet. I'm merely going by what information is in the public domain. And reminding people that anything else is speculation only. I have to say that if something has been proved in a court of law, that's good enough for me.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 13:18:23 GMT
quote] Well, sticking with the FACTS, the person we are talking about was found guilty, in a court of law, of causing suffering to three ponies. One with a hoof abcess, one pregnant mare which was emaciated, and one which was euthanased as it was crippled with arthritis. And the person was given a two year conditional discharge. It was also stated in court that the land was waterlogged and ponies were scratching in the dirt for food. Those are the facts, which are freely available on line if you know where to look. Just because you haven't personally seen them, doesn't negate the fact that it happened. quote] This for example!
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Post by thecremellosociety on May 28, 2010 14:07:08 GMT
I think its drawing more attention to it by going on about it, i dont know which stud we are on about but could soon find out, there are a number that spring to mind !! Millies Mum has only quoted what is on the net already .......... I am going to read the original post but i think as no names were mentioned and now this has almost blown up its drawing alot of attention to it and people will be more curious to find out which stud you are on about !
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Post by sageandonion on May 28, 2010 14:09:25 GMT
Guest 100 foals, thank you so much for bringing my attention to these points and the stud concerned. You see, I had missed the posts in the other thread to which you were referring in my skim reading and on re-reading couldn't work out which stud and, as I couldn't find any accusations whatsoever, didn't know of what awful things had taken place there.
However, since commenting on your thread, I have received a number of messages informing me of which stud this is and I have been able to find out all sorts of information on the internet outside of this site. So now even I (and I am generally a bit slow on these things) know all about it and what they have been found guilty of.
Anyway thank you for spreading the news and highlighting this.
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Post by allwellandgood on May 28, 2010 14:13:15 GMT
It is lovely to see that so many animals did find good homes last year and gone on to better things.
It is a real shame though that if the gentleman concerned had to have a reduction sale as he had so many - why is he still breeding. Surely it would have been more responsible not to put the mares in foal if he wished to cut down?
As for your comment about your fields being waterlogged in 2006, and you having to wait to get to your ponies. Did you not have any inclination that the water was rising? We live in a flood area but are able to get flood warnings so that we can move our animals at a moments notice.
And as Milliesmum has said he was found guilty in a court of law and for the record I have visited the stud.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 14:14:15 GMT
Just wanted to make sure, people knew, that 100 plus foals, certainly are not being bred this year, nor have they any other year, at this stud, comments like that can do alot of damage, regardless of what may, or may not have happened in the past, comments like this only cause bad feeling and, when the are simply untrue, can cause alot of damage. It is not fair to gossip, in that way!
I do not know where, this person, got this information, but it is wrong.
I would, while im here, like to point out, that this stud, considering it is one of the larger studs, does a good job, of making sure, the majority of colts are cut! Something, not all studs, large or small, can say they do! I think this is extremely responsible!
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Post by sageandonion on May 28, 2010 14:18:23 GMT
100 foals, do you have something against this stud as you are doing a brilliant job of continuously reminding us of what has happened and looks like continues to happen there.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 14:20:06 GMT
Allwellandgood, do not even try and question me, about the welfare of my ponies, during the times of the floods, they happened very quickly, i can assure you, my stock are in the best of health, from the babies, to the old ones. Rest assured, no harm came to my animals, during the floods, our top field was 4 ft deep in water, the stables filled, they were walked over 2 miles, to dry land, by myself and helpers. A good friend, was not so lucky, she lost her home, stables and pony to the awful floods of that year.
So, tell me, im intrigued, what did you see at this stud? skin and bone? ponies with no food? I very much doubt it!
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Post by sageandonion on May 28, 2010 14:23:41 GMT
Yawn
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Post by allwellandgood on May 28, 2010 14:30:36 GMT
Allwellandgood, do not even try and question me, about the welfare of my ponies, during the times of the floods, they happened very quickly, i can assure you, my stock are in the best of health, from the babies, to the old ones. Rest assured, no harm came to my animals, during the floods, our top field was 4 ft deep in water, the stables filled, they were walked over 2 miles, to dry land, by myself and helpers. A good friend, was not so lucky, she lost her home, stables and pony to the awful floods of that year. So, tell me, im intrigued, what did you see at this stud? skin and bone? ponies with no food? I very much doubt it! My visit was a number of years ago - to be honest I felt then that the stock although covered needed more condition. The land that they were grazing was of a poor standard. I went with the view to buy a filly but there wasn't anything of the quality there that I wanted, or felt that represented the breed type to a degree that I required. Maybe they would have been more suited to performance as they have made good driving animals. I stand by what I say this gentleman should stop breeding the amounts he has.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 14:38:56 GMT
Well, lets be honest, most people in the horse world, want to see more condition on everything!
Maybe your idea of quality is different to other peoples, all of us different, which is a good thing, best of breed at Olympia, section C, qualified twice, RIHS wins, hoys qualifiers, top stud for four years, under FEI rules, do you honestly think, these ponies are purely bred for showing? No, they are not. What is it with people, who cant see outside of the show ring? They are bred for performance.
What is wrong with that? Should a pony have no use, outside of the ring? They have great conformation and, most importantly, beautiful, child friendly temperaments.
And, to set the record straight, the numbers are alot less and will remain so.
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Post by allwellandgood on May 28, 2010 14:49:12 GMT
Well, lets be honest, most people in the horse world, want to see more condition on everything! Maybe your idea of quality is different to other peoples, all of us different, which is a good thing, best of breed at Olympia, section C, qualified twice, RIHS wins, hoys qualifiers, top stud for four years, under FEI rules, do you honestly think, these ponies are purely bred for showing? No, they are not. What is it with people, who cant see outside of the show ring? They are bred for performance. What is wrong with that? Should a pony have no use, outside of the ring? They have great conformation and, most importantly, beautiful, child friendly temperaments. And, to set the record straight, the numbers are alot less and will remain so. I really think you have misunderstood me! Her use was for breeding, in my small stud, but the ponies were not of the type that I felt best represented the breed, Everyone has an ideal and I felt that these ponies clearly didn't meet my ideal. As for lacking condition, I don't like my ponies overfat but I do like them covered sufficiently. I like my ponies to have individual attention, so wouldn't dream of breeding in any quantity or for breedings sake.
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 15:01:01 GMT
Thats fine by me. Some people do things differently, me and you probably do too. But, hand on my heart can say, i have never seen an underweight pony at that stud, any old mare, going into their 30's will never look as good as we wish they would. They are well fed, you may have been for a visit, but i know how the stud runs. In fact, collected 2 from there, last September, who looked very, very well indeed, i have slimmed them down a little, in fact.
Many larger studs, keep ponies "naturally" they slim right down in winter and put it back on, as nature intended, mine do. I will guarantee, you wont find those ponies hopping lame with laminitus, as you do in all these private, one to one, loving homes. That is not aimed at anyone, inparticular, but sometimes, all this so called "care" alot of owners give their ponies, is doing more harm than good. I'd much rather mine be kept as some of these large studs do to be honest, than wrapped up in cotton wool and ruined! The quality of my grazing is not great, could that be why, none of my stock are struck with the dreaded laminitus?
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Post by brindlerainbow on May 28, 2010 15:01:16 GMT
This man pleaded guilty in court............... He must have a large amount of ponies as he has for sale foals, mares, stallions and youngsters,sufficient stock to provide teams of ponies!!!! as well as LR and FR ponies..............
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 15:07:52 GMT
AND? your point is? Look at the ages of those ponies, did he breed them and sell as colts after weaning? no, he run most of them on, there are ponies who are ready to do a job, he gelds the colts, yes he has some foals for sale, big deal, lots of people do, but atleast he has the room and time, patience and facilities, to run on ponies until they are ready to be brought on if he wishes. How many adverts do you see, need to sell to make room for this years stock? From smaller studs? many people on this site are guilty of just that, but thats ok isn't it?
Why are all the people on here still breeding? the situation is dire, but, yet again, we go back to the big studs, as i said, add up all the smaller studs foals and the REAL problem is staring you in the face!
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 15:22:52 GMT
While you are all not busy, take a look, through the for sale ads on here alone, plenty of colts and/or foals for sale, or being given away! section A and B, ten a penny!
Blame yourselves for what is going on. Stop breeding yourselves for the time being, but stop blaming everything, on large studs!
Why are these colts on here, for sale, still not cut? or are they all top class show colts? I doubt it. Without so many colts, not so many ponies can be bred, cut them. For every colt that is sold, there will some wise person, who may well breed from it for breeding sakes, atleast, this chap, has the brain, to stop that!
I haven't seen one section A colt for sale, or free on this site, worthy, of still being entire!
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Post by 100foals on May 28, 2010 15:30:11 GMT
Quoted from Brindlerainbow in over breeding thread
"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Breeding is a lottery!!! My mare had a dead foal last year and has absorbed this years foal she will be going back to stud in the next couple of weeks but will she get in foal? will it live? who knows. "
So, why are you going to even risk putting your poor mare through that again? Do you not think, this is natures way of telling you something? STOP BREEDING FOR BREEDINGS SAKE!
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