upset and shocked......pics added

[anotherdeal1]

could do with a few kind words!!

Some of you may remember back in january my mare lost twins

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Well i finally decided in april to have the mare put to sleep as she did not recover from losing the foals. (RIP Tabitha)

WELL........... This whole story has just taken another turn for the worse, i have another mare in foal, scanned twice by the same vets she is due in approx 6 and a half weeks ive been worrying since march that she was too big my new vet scanned her in may internally and externally to see if he could see anything but could just see a mass of movement and couldnt actually make anything out, so she was turned back out a few days later her bags started to grow but didnt 'fill' up they have stayed like that up until a few days ago when i noticed they had milk, so out came the vet yesterday and examined her ...................... she has two foals in there

OMG what the heck am i going to do??

[pencaedu]

Oh sh1t, you poor sod. All you can do is hold your breath, keep everything crossed & say a few prayers - and keep your vet close to hand. If it's any help, many people DO manage to rear twins - if you want to speak to someone who did - try ringing Marnie Venables @ Greenvale Stud 01269 843987, I'm sure she'd offer some words of advice & enclouragement

[Deleted]

OMG - I cannot believe the luck you are having (or is it a rubbish vet scanning)?

I would seek the advice of a vet specialising in breeding and definately speak to any studs that have experience of this.

You have my 100% positive vibes, as to be faced with this again - is just appalling

[Julie(luke3)]

Anotherdeal.... I can not believe this is happening to you!!

First of all, I am so sorry you lost your mare

I know it's hard to believe at the moment but some mare's do carry and go onto have healthy twins

I think your vet's are shocking!!

Please keep us updated. xxx

[dazycutter]

OMG.... this cant happen twice..... so sorry to hear about Tabitha.... I dont know what else to say really but a few prayers wont go amiss... XXX

[holiday]

Im am so sorry to hear this, I know how difficult you had it with Tabitha and im so sorry to read she didnt recover.

I so hope you can have some good vets to hand and manage to successfully birth and rear twins and something good come out of this whole mess youve had this year.

Have they definately confirmed twins having scanned or manual examination, not that it helps your situation at all but as stated above it can and does occasionally happen and at this moment in time you are forwarned. I would be tempted to admit her into a vet centre that you trust.

I really dont know what else to say..............

[Deleted]

Holiday says:- I would be tempted to admit her into a vet centre that you trust.

I agree with this entirely, although obviously expenses have to be taken into consideration.....most insurance doesnt cover foaling does it

[brindlerainbow]

Let her foal at an equine vets, definately not the vet you are using!!! Or an expereienced stud.Its too late to do anything now so fingers crossed that she foals succesfully. Just out of interest were these twins and Tabithas twins by the same stallion?? Good luck, I hope you get a pair of healthy foals and happy mare

[vjc]

Firstly my heart goes out to you after all you have been through and losing your mare as well. Twins can survive if they are more or less of equal size, i agree with what others have said re foaling your mare with a reputable stud or even better at a veterinary practice where they have all the expertise and drugs needed in case of an emergency. The only positive thing is that you know to expect twins and can make arrangements ready for their birth, most twins arrive as a shock! Many people have raised twins successfully i know of at least three, Mrs Ray of sunray stud being one! she actually showed her mare in a foal class with both foals!!! Is this the mares first foaling???

[garnet]

sending positive vibes, i have seen a lovely pair of coloured twins this year, really hope you have a happy ending. very best of luck to you.

[lils]

gosh im so sorry to hear of this. Echo what the above saya, deffo look into getting her into a vets or a very experienced stud. Jsut so relieved you have found out before they hit the ground, please do keep us informed, and fingers x'd for you and the mare, and safe arrival of the babies, xxx

[suzee]

Very best wishes that all goes well for you and Mum and babes

[bunny]

So sorry, cant believe that can happen to you again. Everything crossed that these two make a safe delivery and you have a healthy mare and 2 foals to enjoy

[kayjayem]

That is just unbelievably bad luck. I would echo what everyone else has said re foaling at a stud or equine vet, but if that is not possible I would definately make sure you have some colostrum on hand as often one twin will be a bit weak at first and may need help for the frist few days/weeks. At least you now know what to expect and can be prepared and it is possible for both twins to survive.

ps so sorry about your poor Tabitha. xx

[flair1]

I have a friend who successfully, birthed and mare brought up twins, they are now 10 yrs old and doing showing and show jumping successfully. Both very strong babies they were and she had no problems with them at all, about five years ago there was a big right up about them in the horse and hound, they were greys and connie crosses, some of you may remember the article, so fingers crossed you will have the same luck as my friend and all will be well. Incidently she did not know her mare was having twins, so the mare foaled on a livery yard with none of the mod cons and all went well so chin up and fingers crossed for you. But all the above advice is good and worth thinking about. Good luck.

[victoria (highhill)]

cant believe its happened again anotherdeal. Hope this time you have a better outcome

[sageandonion]

anotherdeal, I am so hoping this works out well for you. You cannot possibly be so unlucky as for this one not to work out either.

Working on the law of averages, you must have had your fair share of unhappiness and so try to be optimistic. Put everything in place for the best possible chance of a successful outcome and I wait with fingers crossed for pics of your mare with her babies.

[anotherdeal1]

thankyou once again everyone for your support.

Lovepink yes i dont think luck played a major part in this however the vets i employed at the time certainly did - i did absolutely eveything by the book and this is what i get but the people out there that dont bother scanning always have lovely healthy foals!!

Brindlerainbow - i dont use that vets anymore they were sacked after the first c**k up, then i found out my little l/r show pony was in fact in foal and they had scanned her NIF no this so i have had a very good vet on board since february and he really is amazing.

So onto the idea of sending her away to foal, i have been ringing around today and a local stud who say they have stopped foaling now but would take her if i was desperate have said it will cost £24 a day plus £200 a night for someone to sit up with her when the time comes. Im afraid with all the financial losses and the massive vet bills this year this is just not possible. So as said above forewarned is forearmed and im taking advice from just about everybody possible and researching everything i can, i have a fab vet now and have cctv up in the stables she will be under constant watch and i am just going to have everything as prepared as i can for when the time comes.

thankyou again to everybody and i will keep you all updated -meanwhile if anyone has any old foal rugs or dog coats, cant afford loads but will need to purchase some just in case.

xx

[Deleted]

Best of luck anotherdeal, keep us posted all the way, what will be - will be, as the saying goes, but lets hope you finally have some happy news xxxxxxxxxx

[amumwithapony]

so sorry to hear about your mare. and its very bad luck to be faced with the same thing again.

hopefully this time it will go well for you. get as much advice and support as you can, have your vet and transport on standby and as someone has said have plenty of emergancy stuff to hand.

It may also be worth ringing the national foalbank for advice. they may be able to advise you on how to help weak foals and also help mum feed them both.

am sending positive vibes your way.

[holiday]

Good luck, dont know how good you are with the sewing maching but this little rug was made by a good friend of mine out of a water tank cover, it just has a big strip of velcro down the front and a belly band also with velcro to fasten it has worked really well with our orphan foal....

I could send you measurements if needed!!!

[lils]

i have frozen Colostrum,but im in kent so prob no help to you, but any H'G in your area, please could you all try extra hard to get even a small amount off new mums? Also, worth getting some heat lamps, if you dont already have them, and if you PM me your address il send you a little coat xx

[Deleted]

oh you guys are all so kind to everyone on here, puts a lump in my throat.......

[anotherdeal1]

LP you all bring a lump to my throat too, i cant believe how kind people can be and we dont even know each other!!

Lils that is so lovely of you i will pm you xxx

I have a friend down the road who has some frozen colostrum so that will already be sorted, i am now just off to get heat lamps and have a list of other things i need to get, if anyone else can think of anything else i may need then please shout!!

Holiday - lol im rubbish with a sewing machine! but could you send me the measurements and i will talk nicely to someone that is good with one!!

i will take some pics of mummy to be later so you can all see her

Thanks again everyone xx

[holiday]

Leave it with me and il sort that later, just thought it would be a cheaper option or even an old rug cut up and washed would do!!!!!

Im also useless with the sewing machine lol!!!!!

Definately get some powdered milk in for supplementing the mare as milking her if you need to bottle will be a nightmare especially for two.

We started Arthur on a baby bottle then used a big metal dog bowl as feeding from the bottle colic'd him due to taking air in, however we found the normal human baby teat the most successful and put him on a bowl within 3 days.

Gastroguard, pro kaolin and trimadasin paste (sorry spelt wrong) all in at the ready, check also your vet carries a foal tube small enough for babies!!!!! Ours didnt and I had to ring our stud to bring one for me!!!!

Sterilised bowls to milk into so if weak you can milk the mare to tube the foals.

Top tip 100ml syringe (no needle!!) cut off the injection tip end, put the plunger into that end place the other end over the mares teat and it should milk her really quickly by drawing back!!!! (or experiment with the syringes to find one that will fit and vacumn.

Just keep babies warm and hydrated and IgG test at 36 hours!!!

If I can think of anything else I will put it down!!!!

[smokeycott]

good luck !!!

[cgreen]

I sincerely hope everything goes well for your mare - I have known two sets of twins successfully raised so don't despair! Fingers crossed for you. xx

[rufus]

keeping everything crossed and sending good vibes your way- please keep us up to date. x

[geegees]

So sorry to hear about your bad luck with the last twins and poor Tabitha, RIP Tabitha xxx

Will keep everything crossed for you that your luck will change and you will have two healthy babies and no problems xxx

[busybusy]

Years age (before scanning), our mare surprised us by sauntering over with twin foals when we went to check her at dawn. She had been checked 4 hours earlier and we did not detect any sign of birth being imminent!! She still had 2 weeks to go. We had a colt and a filly and both were healthy and well. The colt was a little bigger than the filly. The mare fed both with no supplementary feeding for the foals (but plenty for the mare). Both grew into really nice ponies! Keeping fingers crossed.