upset and shocked......pics added

[anotherdeal1]

thanks everyone she is still going have got some pics on my phone will transfer them to the pc later so you can all 'meet' the mummy to be (god willing)

[sageandonion]

To those people who have been so kind as to offer another deal help and coats and stuff, I so wish you are repaid many fold by lady luck. It restores my faith in human nature to read this thread.

Anotherdeal, looking forward to pics of yummy mummy in waiting. How is she in herself?

[anotherdeal1]

here she is, bless her she is coping quite well all things considered she is very tired but i can remember being pregnant with just one and i was worn out!!!

[Rosabel]

Wishing you all the luck with your foaling, god knows you deserve it. If i can help you out with anything please just give me a ring, i do have a little t/o rug which you can borrow, not sure on size but will dig it out and let you know.

[holiday]

She looks fabulous and good luck with everything!!!

[ceri]

i,ve a fleece rug (dog)i used for a foal which you can have if you want it just pm me your address and i,ll send it
will measure it tomorrow if you like

[anotherdeal1]

Jo- thanks for the offer!! Xx

holiday vet said she looks so well in herself that she must be doing her foals well, in your experience do you think that's the case??

Ceri - thankyou so much for the offer of the rug I will pm you.

These kind offers really do mean so much to me - who said horsey women were b*tchy!!!

I will keep you all updated xxxx

[holiday]

Im sure if she is doing well in herself you do have a good chance, however I really dont have experience of twins!!!!! She looks so fit and healthy so I really do think you have a really good chance of a good outcome. I must admit to my honest opinion though and that is the mare comes first!!! The foals are a bonus.

I did speak to my stud who have great experience of alsorts of problems yesterday about things and their thoughts were the same, keep your mare and if your foals arrive safe and well its a fantastic bonus!!!

However as stated above and also I do know of a twin i backed a few years ago there is also a good chance of survival if she can get them to a viable stage and presentation is good at birth!!!!!! The problem will be if she does foal and they have not got their lungs up and functioning. Anyway, Im sure you have read all the risks and problems and all you can do is be positive and hope she can go to a viable stage, but as I said, if she looks healthy and happy thats a massive bonus and looks good!!!!!!!! Fingers crossed she goes another two or three weeks then you have a much better chance. Even if you get them you will still maybe have to work hard and hopefully get them to survive.

Anyway, that does not sound positive from me so I will backtrack and wish you all the luck and hopefully she will hold on for a little longer and they will be born fit and well, at least at present the weather is with you!!!!!!! So heat is not a big issue as it would be at earlier times of the year!!!

I really dont know what else to say, I would be beside myself as im sure you are but you know, as we do, you can only do your best and the rest is up to mother nature!!!!!!!

[ponymum]

awww anotherdeal....im so sorry you have this to deal with, especially after loosing tabitha
where do you live in the country? can we not get a web cam set up, and we could all do shifts watching her? then you will have your strength, as you will be needed after the birth! xx
I will volunteer myself xxxx

[fox111]

sending best wishes and luck x

[Guestless]

How unfair life is to give you even more trauma so soon after losing Tabitha. It sounds as if you are doing all you can to give the foals every chance, and I hope your mare has a straightforward delivery and you can lose lots of time foal gazing.

When is she actually due?

[sparkle]

I've just read all through your other post as I didnt know about your mare and twins from last time and firstly I want to say I'm so so sorry for that happening, secondly I'm So glad you arent with those a**hole vets anymore and thirdly I have everything crossed for you and your mare and sending you all the 'stay well vibes' that's possible.

Thinking of you and your mare anotherdeal1 xx

[vjc]

Looking closely at her picture she does not look to have the shape of the mares i knew who foaled twins? is your vet 100% sure he has seen/felt two foals? it may be she is carrying her twins low but in my experience when a mare is having twins they are very barrel like all around their middle. I am hoping the vet has made a mistake, but you must treat the situation as a twin birth as that is what has been diagnosed. keeping everything crossed for you and your mare.xxx

[bonnieheather]

Sending you positive thoughts, so very unlucky, but try and stay upbeat, it may all go straight forward, fingers crossed xxxx

How reassuring that there are some lovely, lovely people out there xxxx

[holiday]

Jun 29, 2010 21:17:06 GMT vjc said:

Looking closely at her picture she does not look to have the shape of the mares i knew who foaled twins? is your vet 100% sure he has seen/felt two foals? it may be she is carrying her twins low but in my experience when a mare is having twins they are very barrel like all around their middle. I am hoping the vet has made a mistake, but you must treat the situation as a twin birth as that is what has been diagnosed. keeping everything crossed for you and your mare.xxx

I hope you are right vjc, I also dont think she looks ovely huge our cob mare looks much bigger and isnt due for a few weeks lets hope the vet has made a really "good" mistake in this case. Huge vibes for a mistaken vet!!!!!!!!!

[vjc]

Yes i agree holiday, this is one vet mistake we could all live with!!! sending huge vibes that this was a wrong diagnosis!!!

just wondering what her udder is like now??? any chance of a pic to look at??? but don`t risk getting kicked if the mare is unhappy about it.

[anotherdeal1]

Hi all I will take some more piccies today the side on ones don't show the sheer mass of her belly, as much as I would love you to be right unfortunately my vet has said it's definately twins or else - in his words -'that is a very deformed foal that will need a c-section to get it out'!

Thanks all again for your positive words you are keeping me going right now, ponymum we did think about setting up a webcam so I could watch from home but I decided I would just take up residence in the lorry I have CCTV set up so I can watch from the lorry but I'm so touched that you and I'm sure others would give up their time to watch for me xx

[vjc]

Thats a shame i was praying it would be a rare vet mistake for the better! well you are doing the best you can by keeping a close vigil and i imagine your vet is on standby too! Just a little advice as i have foaled twins, if the first foal is taking a little to long then give it a little pull (only if in the right position) as it can starve the second foal of oxygen if there is a long delay between the two births. Sometimes the mare rolls a lot this can be normal in a twin birth as the mare attemps to position the two foals. Have plenty of towels to help dry the foals and stimulate them as again sometimes the mare can take a while to get up after a twin birth and stimulating the twins helps get their circulation going. Although I am sure your vet will have given you simalar info. Forgot to ask what part of the country are you? and is your vet well practised in breeding and foal managment?

[anotherdeal1]

Thanks vjc for the advice, it's very much appreciated, I'm in somerset my vet has been doing stud work for many years and came highly recommended by a local stud to mr so I think I should be in safe hands this time! Thankyou so much again x

[vjc]

If i were nearer i would have been happy to help out but it sounds as if you have a great vet on standby and also all you need to keep a close eye on things. The mare i foaled was my sisters warmblood mare who just blatently refused to be scanned!! and sods law she was the one carrying twins!!!strangley she did not foal early but the only thing i did notice during her pregnancy was how strange her shape was, she was as round as a barrell and it did not drop when getting close to foaling!!! Wishing you heaps of luck!!! keep us informed.x

[holiday]

Good luck!!! Think if you were closer we would all be taking turns to come and help out!!!!

[ponymum]

any idea when it will be?? im on pins for you

[lancs]

Hi anotherdeal, thought I would tell you about a mare on my yard as it may be helpful.
She lost a perfect foal while foaling last time, so this time our vet decided that when it looked like she was very close to foaling i.e. bagged up and on the day she was running milk, he decided that he would induce her so that he and another vet would be there to help and the foaling would be under control as much as possible. This is what happened and, yes, it took them both to get the foal out but because they were there and everything was planned she had a beautiful healthy colt with the minimum of fuss. He injected her with oxytocin and within 20 mins the foal was on the floor. This maybe an option for you were she could stay at home yet you could have the help on hand. If you or your vet would be interested in talking to mine pm me for his contact details.

[viking]

Wishing you good luck and a happy outcome.

[anotherdeal1]

ponymum, ive no idea when it will be she has another 18 days till she hits her 320 days, but she isnt showing any more signs of 'getting ready'.

lancs thats really interesting thanks, the vet will be out tomorrow so im going to have a good chat with him about options etc.

Thanks viking

Justy to top things off my previous vets who have made all these mistakes who i refused to pay (for obvious reasons) have just sent court papers which i received today, i really dont have the strength or energy to deal with this as well at the moment i feel like ringing them up and telling them about their latest c*ck up but i know i should just go down the proper channels

[anotherdeal1]

oh and along with the court papers on the door mat today, was the little rug that lils sent to me MASSIVE thankyou to lils for being so very kind xxxx

[Deleted]

Have you taken some legal advice anotherdeal1?

I think you are right to stand up to your old (and shocking) vet, but I would think you will need some help?

[anotherdeal1]

been in touch with a solicitor today - hopefully they are going to take the case on for me.

[holiday]

Good luck you certainly need it with everything thats happened!!!!!!!!!

[lils]

Jul 1, 2010 22:48:58 GMT anotherdeal1 said:

oh and along with the court papers on the door mat today, was the little rug that lils sent to me MASSIVE thankyou to lils for being so very kind xxxx

no trouble Sweetie xx