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Post by Admin on Oct 4, 2010 11:30:16 GMT
I see the benefit system as safety net for the hard working tax payers of this country who either fall on bad times or are unfortunately taken ill and unable to work for a while.
That safety net should be there to help them whilst times are difficult and while they get themselves back on the ladder.
The problem is there are far too many people abusing the system at the expense of the UK tax payer.
Plenty of these have travelled from foreign shores just to join in the free for all.
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Post by frozzy on Oct 4, 2010 13:05:41 GMT
We had people move in to the beautiful farmhouse next door to us (rented) as it was up for sale at O/O 420k (a hell of a lot for round here. That was last October. We were told before they moved in that it was parents and 7 disabled kids.
Wow I thought, must be professional carers. Good on them for doing a great job!
Sadly, I found out to my cost that the seven kids were all the mothers (plus the three already grown and left home) she had had five husbands, child number 4 WAS autistic, but being the kind of person she was soon clicked on that if she could get the rest diagnosed with something then she could get DLA for them all.
They got £3 grand a week, plus a nice new mini bus every three years, ate take away EVERY night, went on cruises every year and the autistic lad was dumped in front of a dvd player all day. All this I know to be true because the mother was quite blase about it all and tried to encourage me to claim for my unstable epileptic daughter and her dyspraxic brother.
I asked her how she had got the rest of her children diagnosed with ADHD and Aspbergers syndrome.
She told me that she encouraged them to be bad little b*****ds and exaggerated on the claims forms, it was easy!
The relationship deteriorated very quickly as she kept her dogs the same way she parented her kids, very badly.
I eventually got an ASBO and good neighbour agreement against them and fortunately she moved shortly after thank god but it sure opened my eyes to the scrounger culture!
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Post by eskvalleystud on Oct 4, 2010 20:28:44 GMT
the whole system is a complete piddle take
I know of quite a few people who claim disability allowance - they cannot work but are able to go out and live a wonderful social lifestyle, I also know of ones that own umpteen horses, breed, show, sell etc - how can they function to do this yet claim they are unable to work!!!!!! sorry but owning a horse or pony never mind a good few is stressful on mind and body so you have to be fitter in mind and body to look after them than what is required in a job - they have no shame!
It is also very unfair and a mockery of those poor souls who absolutely cannot work but would give anything to be well enough to do so
as for those selfish sods that see having umteen children as they see their offspring as the easiest way of making money they are sick in the head! this whole subject winds me up
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Post by cayo on Oct 5, 2010 9:27:05 GMT
This is all very well but we musnt forget that there are many genuine cases out there and it is unfair to label all those on benefits as scroungers some are yes and they need routeing out and made to pay it all back ,but many cant even get what they should be able to get despite being unable to work at all or only part time ,and its ok saying they should get jobs but there are no jobs and under this condem government ther will be even less jobs and those on benefits may well end up living on streets and in gutter ,people with children do ok out of our benefit system but to be fair single people can barley survive on it and if under 25 they cant even get a decent housing allowence so its no wonder they think that having a child will help their cause as it most certainley dose do ,it was the cons who took away housing aid from young people ,everything this government blames on the last one they have done themselves in the past with this country and they are stiring up a which hunt of those on benefits and the labour party and trade unions claiming they are to blame for everything thats wrong in this country today what a load of tosh the money lost to bogus benefit claims is very small compared with the losses to the countrys income from the rich and their tax evasion the fat cat bankers got us into this mess and still we pay them huge bonuses ,yes lets sort out benefit cheats but leave the genuine claiments alone lets not tar them all with same brush maybe the goverment should spend more time and effort chasing up unpaid taxes from the wealthy they too are cheats  |
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Post by sometime on Oct 5, 2010 18:04:31 GMT
There is a plan afoot to cap the income available in benefits to 20,000 per year so no one will get a combined including rent and other benefits more than the average household income. They were saying it would never be more beneficial to be on benefits than in work that should fix some of them. I do believe benefits are great and that there is a need. there should however be a limit on how much they can get. A decent living is all they need but I also think that rent dshould go direct to landlords most money should go on vouchers for a big store with a small amount for contingencies, the vouchers should only be redeemable for essential living not for booze and f*gs
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 6, 2010 14:37:08 GMT
not read all replies yet but we pay bloody everything ourselfs, ok i dont work full time now but may be doing again soon, OH has a good job and pays more in tax and NI than he brings home its just sickening, yes i have 2 well looked after ponies but still not bloody fair for 3 months if we didnt have to pay tax we could be straight with everything ....... lifes a joke, if redundancys come up hes tempeted to take it and let government pay for kids and horses !!!
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Post by ladybird on Oct 6, 2010 15:54:03 GMT
I listened with morbid fascination to a radio debate this morning regarding benefits. Apparently there is a single mother of 8 (yes eight) who are housed in a kensington villa, in the Royal borough of Kensington and Chelsea in central London, costing just over £7,000 per month in rent (paid by housing benefit) The family couldnt be moved to another less expensive borough as one of the councils rules prevented this happening as it is deemed unfair to move children from their school.
Wonder if Harrods accept milk tokens......
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Post by pencaedu on Oct 6, 2010 16:10:37 GMT
Saucer of milk for Ladybird.... (gold top) from Harrods, of course!!!
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Post by ladyluck1 on Oct 6, 2010 20:54:40 GMT
I have no problem with people who need help getting it and I know that a lot of deserving people dont get the help they need. what I object to is bone idle people not bothering to get a job and expecting the rest of us to pay for them. I would be about £1000 amonth better of if I booted oh out and quit work. There is something wrong with that. I'm now going to put my claws away.
Mary
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Post by FF on Oct 6, 2010 22:06:08 GMT
I think they should stop child benefit after child number 2 or something like that. Would hopefully stop the lazy gitts just having kids so they don't have to work. 8 kids is ridiculous. If they choose to have that many kids they should pay for them themselves. I don't have kids so why should I pay for everyone elses??
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Post by cayo on Oct 7, 2010 4:54:23 GMT
I think they should stop child benefit after child number 2 or something like that. Would hopefully stop the lazy gitts just having kids so they don't have to work. 8 kids is ridiculous. If they choose to have that many kids they should pay for them themselves. I don't have kids so why should I pay for everyone elses?? good idea about stopping child benefit after child number two but to say you dont have kids so why should you pay for everyone elses is unfair i dont have cancer but i dont mind contributing to the nhs to help those that have  |
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Post by fmm on Oct 7, 2010 6:28:37 GMT
I think they should stop child benefit after child number 2 or something like that. Would hopefully stop the lazy gitts just having kids so they don't have to work. 8 kids is ridiculous. If they choose to have that many kids they should pay for them themselves. I don't have kids so why should I pay for everyone elses?? good idea about stopping child benefit after child number two but to say you dont have kids so why should you pay for everyone elses is unfair i dont have cancer but i dont mind contributing to the nhs to help those that have Every person on this website (pretty much) would have been eligible for child benefit being paid to their parents. So if you have all had the benefit (which you have) then why can't today's children have the same benefit. It is bugger all to do with whether you have children or not. It is about whether you were once a child and received that benefit. Oh look - you were all once children. Well I never ... |
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Post by ladybird on Oct 7, 2010 7:56:46 GMT
I think fmm the irritation is toward income support rather than child benefit. If a family/single mum is unemployed for whatever reason and is dependent on the state for money to live on and a house paid for to live in, surely it is irresponsible to bring another child into the world when they cannot afford to pay for the children they already have? Nobody wants to see children go without, but knowing you cant afford to bring them into the world in the first place is unfair on the kids and to the rest of us paying for them.
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Post by ladybird on Oct 7, 2010 7:57:30 GMT
ps pencaudu....your right, nothing less for me lol!!!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 7, 2010 8:53:07 GMT
I luckily get a couple of complimentary HOYS tickets and work bloody hard for them or i couldnt go, now the govenrment are on about taking away our family allowance, how i will manage thats my £20.30 per week !!!!! Cos saying OH earns to much, my god, hence im looking at going back to work full time its stupid !!!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2010 9:35:12 GMT
I happen to have had it confirmed that a person who strongly denied planning a hoys visit due to financial difficulty, and same person who made me publicly apologise (which I did) for even suggesting such a thing, was actually there yesterday!
Some people have no shame!
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Post by bethanyy on Oct 7, 2010 10:03:29 GMT
You may well think that takign away child benefit from people who earn over 40k is ok, but if familes both parents have a job and they earn 20k each they could still struggle with childcare costs etc, and after tax and ni is taken outmeanwhile there are people out there with rooks of kids who do not work and probably take home more than 40k for sitting on their backsides with all their kids ! I work d**n hard am a single mum and do not claim benefits but if I aspire to work harder and get over 40k , they will take from me anyway ..grrr this whole subject makes me mad.. I know of people with rooks of horses who havent worked a day in their lives The dear chancellor is penalising hard working people with that cut ,not the ones who live a life of luxury and dont work at all... and believe me theres plenty out there..no work , no tax to pay and loads of luxuries and time to enjoy them, I may have luxuries like horses but work d**n hard for them and am exhausted most of the time juggling work , kids horses etc ..its so not fair ... Annie you should have heard my mum ranting over this yesterday! My dad earns over 40k so now the child benefit for me and my brother has dissappeared |
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Post by ladybird on Oct 7, 2010 10:57:54 GMT
Nice one mm!!
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2010 11:00:06 GMT
But to be blatant enough to post it on your FB wall? Nothing like having your nose rubbed in it is there? Oh well, we live and learn!
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Post by grotty on Oct 7, 2010 12:41:50 GMT
Well guys, while we are all at work having a sneaky peek on here or TSR desperate to see who is doing what at Hoys, gutted cause we have to work to pay our taxes/bills etc, or cant afford the cost off hiking up and down the country chasing the qualifiers, there is a person today competing at Hoys financed purely by us suckers !! yes you guessed it, incapacity benefit  OMG that person shold be named and shamed!! How on earth do people get away with it? |
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Post by ladybird on Oct 7, 2010 18:22:09 GMT
mm, im not sure if its the same person im thinking of who was, shall we say, in the limlight a few weeks ago? ?? I would just like to say (and sorry as its not really in context with this thread, although financially im guessing it probably will be) I have a very very dear friend, shetland pony stud, OH retired police sargeant, lovely family, i first met Karen on my very first day nursing many years ago. (well about 10!!) Anyway, she has just been diagnosed at a very young age, with bowel cancer, spread to the liver.....she is terrified, all her family and friends are heartbroken. There will be no incapacity benefit for them, or anything else...... f First major op on 20th October followed by chemo and liver op. They need everything, and will get nothing...please lets all say a littl prayer for them.....and i hope the bloody cheater and bullsh1tters will read this and feel more than ashamed...they are lucky to be alive never mind compete at HOYS..sorry for the rant and possible hijack of this thread....just what was and is on my mind. |
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 7, 2010 18:32:12 GMT
Ladybird we're talking about the same person. Absolutely denied planning her hoys trip and I publicly apologised, only to have my nose rubbed in it today. Some people insist on showing their true colours.
I'm so sorry for your friend, I hope her treatment is successful. xx
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Post by marshmallow on Oct 7, 2010 18:40:05 GMT
I happen to have had it confirmed that a person who strongly denied planning a hoys visit due to financial difficulty, and same person who made me publicly apologise (which I did) for even suggesting such a thing, was actually there yesterday! Some people have no shame!  well actually not shocked at all - I think this person has the skin of a rhino anyway. What annoys me is I work really hard and long hours to keep my horses, home and run my car etc but actually the first 2/3 days of the week that I work is given away to the taxman/social security fund to pay for this type of scrounger plus those who come to this country on a free hand out!!! makes my blood boil |
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Post by eskvalleystud on Oct 7, 2010 22:51:20 GMT
how has she got the nerve to come back on here and post things never mind pay someone 37p a hour and plead financial difficulty and side effects of chemo but she is able to financially and physically manage HOYS......eh
as for the person who is competing hoys how the blinking heck do they swindle that much from the tax payer in benefit??? income support or job seekers allowance is £130 ever fortnight - how could they manage to do HOYS qualifiers and then HOYS on that amount, that wouldn;t feed my horses every 2 weeks never mind myself or pay for anything extra! they must really be didling the system to be getting enough money to live the lifestyle they are leading, maybe i should go say I am have a malfunction in my brain and can't work as when I am running round like a headless chicken juggling work, daughter and the ponies I forget things all the time so I can't work!!! I am fed up struggling as a single working mum and want to spend my days playing with the ponies and qualifying for HOYS - stuff working and paying my tax and NI!
grrr and rant rant rant
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Post by ladyluck1 on Oct 8, 2010 7:40:56 GMT
That makes me sick, there are people out there who really need help but either wont get it or wont apply for it as they are too proud, then you get someone who plays the system and we are paying for them to go to HOYS. I was a single mum fo 4 years and to pay my bills I worked my a** off and cut back on everything I spent my time robbing peter to pay paul. Giving up work was never an option. I cant look at this topic anymore as it makes me so mad. All I want to say to the person gone to HOYS is STOP STEALING FROM ME AND IF YOU WANT TO COMPETE YOUR HORSE GET A JOB.
Rant over
Mary
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Post by ladybird on Oct 8, 2010 7:53:25 GMT
well said Mary. Thank you foryour kind words MM. Yes, i thought it was the same person, mad world isnt it.
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Post by sageandonion on Oct 8, 2010 19:55:39 GMT
I think I am sort of working out who that person is though I don't know her. Why doesn't someone report her for benefit fraud?
What I don't get is the Prime Minister saying he wants everyone working and taking a pride etc. So why is it then that those who have are expected to pay for the have nots? You get a person who works really hard to progress in their job and improve their lot and that person is then required to pay more and more for those who don't. The majority of people with a comfortable standard of living have worked for it, it hasn't just been handed to them.
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Post by Milliesmum on Oct 8, 2010 20:09:02 GMT
S&O the person I refer to was spectating, not competing.
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Post by bonnieheather on Oct 8, 2010 22:44:29 GMT
It seems to be the harder you work, and the better you do for yourself the more you are punished.
I don't have kids, but disagree with the proposed cut in child benefit (or whatever it is) for people that earn over X amount, are they serious??? These people no doubt contribute several times what they get back now anyway!!!! Why should it be taken off them and given to the scroungers??? Grrrrrr, makes me really cross. The ones that work the hardest seem to be punished and squeezed the most......
Stop handing our money out Mr Cameron..............
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Post by eskvalleystud on Oct 9, 2010 1:11:15 GMT
I would of even loved to have spectated at hoys but even with a good job I cannot afford to get there, pay tickets, accomodation etc
where is the incentive to work when you read about those on benefits getting up to and over £30 to £40K per year from the state!!!!
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well actually not shocked at all - I think this person has the skin of a rhino anyway. What annoys me is I work really hard and long hours to keep my horses, home and run my car etc but actually the first 2/3 days of the week that I work is given away to the taxman/social security fund to pay for this type of scrounger plus those who come to this country on a free hand out!!! makes my blood boil