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Post by lizziemc on Jan 6, 2011 20:11:48 GMT
i am wondering why people feel the need to cross breed their full breed dogs.
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Post by chorro on Jan 6, 2011 20:17:03 GMT
people want something different, designer dogs are all tha rage at the mo.
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Post by ballaghstud on Jan 7, 2011 8:13:32 GMT
I guess sometimes its an accident
I also think its funny how the price is as much or higher than a purebred KC pup
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Post by viking on Jan 7, 2011 13:15:08 GMT
I think it's the weird and wonderful names attached to designer x breeds that some folks go for, apart from those looking for a non moulter.
Had a Heinz 49 b*tch at one time, long before designer dogs became the rage. Goodness only knows what was in her. Ugly thing, but a nice dog for all that.
Told folks that asked that she was a Pyrethian Bog Hound, seemed to satisfy them lol!
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Post by snapdragons on Jan 7, 2011 23:07:15 GMT
I also do not understand why people do this ! you can give them as many fancy names as you like but they are simply mongrels , not new breeds. There are enough different pure breeds of dogs in all shapes and to be able to find something suitable !!! im not saying these dogs dont make nice pets etc but i just dont see the point . But obviously if people are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds for them then people will keep on producing them !!  |
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Post by chorro on Jan 7, 2011 23:18:54 GMT
You are so right snapdragon and that people are foolish enough to pay rediculous prices. I run a boarding kennels and had a jacapoo in, the owners were etremely proud telling me they paid £500 for him I told them they actually could have bought a pedigree poodle or 3 jack russells for that and basically they had paid a small fortune for a mutt.  Told them I certainly wouldn't pay that. Though I do like cross breds and they do tend to be healthier. Also somrtimes the breeds which are crossed are not that compatable. |
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Post by B_31 on Jan 7, 2011 23:26:18 GMT
as above ^^ infuriates me seeing "c*ckerpoo and puggles"... on here- they are muts. simplez!! and also people who breed breeds which should never be crossed!! e.g an advert not so far down ffrom this!!  my cross was an accident - she dosent need a stupid name - shes special and expsive in vet bills... (not cost price)! |
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Post by kayjayem on Jan 7, 2011 23:39:52 GMT
Out of interest is it the hybrid names that offends people or the fact that people actually choose a cross bred for a pet(for their qualities), even though it is to be neutered and not to perpetuate the breed. I can't understand why people should be bothered about what others choose as their family pets. Why should the breeding of dogs be any different to the breeding of horses? There are hundreds of different breeds of horses but many people would choose for instance an ID x TB as opposed to a pure ID or TB what is the difference?
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Post by chorro on Jan 7, 2011 23:44:58 GMT
some are accidents and you usually find that when this has happened they are offered at a reasonable price as good homes are usually a top priorty, its the people who deliberately breed these crosses and charge stupid prices that annoy me.
not sure I would cross c*cker spaniels and poodles both are relatively high energy and high maintenance coat wise and both working breeds
I have people who buy working breeds then tell me how much hard work they are then tell me they walk them for an hour each day (usually boarder collies)
People ask me why my dogs are so well behaved.
I have a min poodle and jack russell who both out for about 10 hours per day at work then doing the horses with me.
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Post by chorro on Jan 7, 2011 23:54:58 GMT
I think its because a lot of designer dogs come from dogs that shouldn't be bred from and with first crosses its hard to determine temperament. True mutts who have been mutts for generations have usually stabalised. I have had a number of proper mutts over the years and have all without fail been lovely dogs |
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Post by snapdragons on Jan 8, 2011 0:07:09 GMT
I :om not bothered at all if people choose cross breeds for pets " each to their own " so to speak but as said above its the people who deliberatly produce these crosses then sell them to nieve people who think they have bought something unique, that really annoy me !! also , another thing i find insulting to potential purchasers is when you see some of the very small breeds advertised as "tea cup " i dont think you will find this description anywere within the official KC breed standards, there are either deliberatly bred small or they are runts,then sold for a fortune to people who probably dont realise they are being misled !!!
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Post by chorro on Jan 8, 2011 0:25:06 GMT
hear hear snapdragon the amount of people who tell me they want a teacup yorkie or a miniture jack russell and have been quoted almost double the normal asking price, I have some really small jr's and to many people they would seem minitures but they're not they are just small jr's
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Post by pat on Jan 8, 2011 13:54:27 GMT
I was going to do a similar post awhile ago asking the same questions but didn't want to offend anyone.
Why are what are basically mongrels the same price as a pedigree? can they be KC registered? I would never cross 2 different breeds to get a designer dog because say I crossed my Chihuahua male with the Staff bit*h I would then get a Staff that could live 18yrs + like my first Chihauhua but would probably have any health problems ie arthritus like my older Staff I don't think it is fair to do this to an animal.
There are plenty of mongrels at the R.S.P.C.A ect that need homes at a fraction of the cost of "pedigree mongrels"
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 8, 2011 16:23:03 GMT
I'd just like to differentiate here between a 'crossbreed' and a 'mongrel', a mongrel being of undefined breeding/parentage, a crossbreed being a cross between two pedigree dogs who are known - therefore you will have an idea what the fluffy adorable little puppy you buy is likely to grow up into, size, looks and temperament wise.
Don't wish to get into an argument over this - been there done that - but I have a cross breed chosen for looks and temperament (not the fancy name!), yes I paid as much as a pedigree puppy but the costs involved in the breeding of these pups - stud fee, vets bills, feeding etc - are the same so if a cross breed isn't worth it then neither is a pedigree! I get an incredible amount of stick on here for my choice of pet - who has been neutered by the way - when actually she is a remarkably friendly, outgoing, healthy little dog - I'd buy another tomorrow if the hubby would let me!
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Post by jasper1 on Jan 8, 2011 18:24:15 GMT
I agree with kayjeyem, its a persons choice what sort of dog they enjoy to have living with them. am a little confused by chorro, if you breed two dogs of different breeds,with high maintenance coats, why will that make the coat any harder t o look after than a pure breed with a high mainteance coat (if that makes any sence at all!!!) I have breed a litter of jack x poodles and they are really fab little dogs, that seem to have taken most of the best from both breeds. Its up to the owners if they want to call them jack a poos, jack a doos wotever, all I know is two of the owners have askejavascript:add("%208-)")d for me if I will do more. p.s not doing any more as cant bear to let them go!!! p.p.s pyrethian bog hound viking,  is a great name |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 8, 2011 19:45:39 GMT
One query I would have is if the breeders of crossbreds have done all the same health checks as a good reputable pedigree breeder would have done. I did know of someone who bought a crossbred thinking it would be healthier than a pedigree but chose one where both parent breeds were prone to hip dysplacia and the offspring had dreadful hips.
We have a mistake - collie x travellers' saluki lurcher - who is a wonderful dog but I know she has a dodgy hip, so far maintained on joint supplement but it will doubtless get worse as she gets older.
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Post by puddledub on Jan 10, 2011 8:24:44 GMT
I could spend ages 'quoting' varies comments above .... I can (to a degree) understand why fanatics of a specific breed are perplexed by the cross-breeders, but not from the horse world where cross-breeding is almost more relevant than pure-breeding! Like with horses, if 2 compatable, complimentary breeds are crossed, using health tested good examples of their relevant breed, then where is the problem? I am often confused by some peoples ideas of 'suitable' crosses in horses - why would anyone want to cross a shetland with a welsh A, or a highland with a Welsh D? In the same why there are plenty of the dog cross-breeds which I feel are concocted for their name rather than whether the conformation, size, coat and temperament are compatable. I have bred a couple of Labradoodle litters ... my bit*hes are exceptionally well bred Field Trial labradors, by Field Trial Champions, out of bit*hes by Field Trial Champions etc (pedigrees are almost solid red!) they have hip scores in single figures and clear eye tests. I use very well bred Standard Poodle stud dogs (paying stud fees in the region of £600) who are either successful in the show ring and/or are successful sires. The Sire of my current litter is bred by one of the top poodle breeders in the country. The cost of rearing my litter is exactly the same, if not more than breeding a labrador litter (highest stud fee I paid for them is £500) with only the KC registration fee of £15 per pup being saved but with additional stud fees and the cost of shampoo to keep their coats clean and fluffy!! I NEVER claim my puppies are non-shedding (although many with be) or Hypo-allergenic as every allergy is different and so no dog could carry this guarantee. There are good and bad cross-breeders, just as there are good and bad pedigree breeders (of which I have known of many horror stories too). Anyone buying a puppy of any breed or cross should always ensure they do their research and ask plenty of questions of the breeder to ensure they are buying a healthy, well cared for puppy that has been well reared and cared for and from health tested parents. All my Labradoodle puppies go to their new homes with a full pedigre, care sheet, feeding & worming history, 4 weeks insurance, feed and a puppy pack of goodies as well as lifetime support. Every breeders aim should be to provide a healthy dog that will give a lifetime of fun and pleasure for its new owners - that criteria should follow regardless of breed/cross. I have sold pups to people who have come back for a second and highly recommended them to their friends ..... I currently have the 4 people on my waiting list fighting over the 2 puppies I had born on New Years Eve Two of these families have someone who has allergies. They will be made to sit in their car (an environment they know they are not allergic to) and have a puppy on their knee for 40 minutes or so - if they show any signs of their allergy they will not be permitted to buy a puppy. |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 10, 2011 8:45:44 GMT
While you talk a lot of sense and are obviously the sort of responsible crossbred breeder to go to, there are two major differences between crossbreeding horses and dogs:- horses have far far fewer inherited (and testable) nasty genetic conditions than dogs do, and in a related point most have to work in some degree unlike most dogs (I did say most) which does lead to some form of selection of being fit for purpose, although not infallible!
I can't see any point in some horse crossing either, certainly crossing two native breeds although I have been told that they used to cross Welsh A with Shetland to give a smaller pony for the mines, no idea if that is true or not.
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Post by princessstacie22 on Jan 10, 2011 8:51:39 GMT
MM why would people give you stick about milly? she is gorgeous and my friend has a cockapoo and he is a fantastic dog.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 10, 2011 10:59:12 GMT
PS22, I'm an idiot and a mug for paying what I paid for her, I only bought her because she is a 'designer' dog (anyone who knows me will know I care not a jot about designer labels!), and I'm irresponsible because I'm doubling the health problems inherent in both C0cker spaniels and poodles. The fact that my vet says that's a load of tosh seems to be neither here nor there!
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Post by sarahp on Jan 10, 2011 11:15:14 GMT
Only if the same problem is in both breeds - I wouldn't know!
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 10, 2011 11:26:22 GMT
Well my vet told me when I took Millie for her vacs that they get lots of poodle crosses in as they are becoming more popular, and the only health problem they have tended towards is they occasionally get blocked anal glands, apart from that nothing really! Millie's coat needs to be kept reasonably short so it doesn't matt, but that's no big deal just a haircut every couple of months, you can have them longer if you groom regularly but millie hates the grooming so we just don't let it get long enough to matt. Just sensible care that you'd do for any other dog really.
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Post by viking on Jan 10, 2011 11:50:08 GMT
PS22, I'm an idiot and a mug for paying what I paid for her, I only bought her because she is a 'designer' dog (anyone who knows me will know I care not a jot about designer labels!), and I'm irresponsible because I'm doubling the health problems inherent in both C0cker spaniels and poodles. The fact that my vet says that's a load of tosh seems to be neither here nor there! Millie's gorgeous, and as long as she's loved and happy what else matters? I have had pedigree dogs and mongrel dogs and cross bred dogs, and as with everything else that's living, there can be health issues with all of them! |
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 10, 2011 14:12:18 GMT
Thank you viking, my sentiments exactly.
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Post by halfpass on Jan 10, 2011 20:11:40 GMT
As a dog groomer these poodle crosses can be a nightmare to groom, you can have a whole litter of puppies all with different coat textures, and getting a good finish on some of them is really hard work at times even impossible, Also some people do not realize the amount of expense that is involved in having the coats properly maintained, they're just happy they are not dropping hair all over the place.
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Post by dazycutter on Jan 10, 2011 20:42:45 GMT
if its healthy and loved.. who really cares... I breed KC registered Irish setters, but if you want a pedigree cross.. whats the problem..its all about individual taste.
I do think it has becoem a bit "designer" but as long as they are loved and healthy,t ehn thats all that matters.
not really sure where the grooming thing comes into it.. I used to show standard poodles at champsionship level so know a little about grooming.. :-) as long as they look nice and tidy and knot free.. you wouldnt even expect to get the same finish as on a pedigree poodle.
I get asked regulalry to groom my friends min schnauzer, and she wants it really short, which does go agaisnt the "showing haircut" grain, but the owners like ti that way and thats how I do it for them..
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Post by halfpass on Jan 10, 2011 21:01:18 GMT
I would not expect to get the same finish as you would a poodle, but try telling that to some owners, I personally like to see them quite short clipped if the owner does not have the time to keep them knot free, as I have said as long as they go into having these crossbreeds with their eyes open knowing that they are hard work to keep there coats in good condition and if they can't then it will cost them to have it professionally done then all well and good
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Post by kayjayem on Jan 10, 2011 21:08:57 GMT
I have a standard poodle and a mini labradoodle. I have always had the standards but was looking for something with the same temperament and character as the poodle but slightly smaller(not a small as the min poodle) and my Molly fits the bill perfectly. I couldn't care less what she is called mongrel/mutt/designer, makes no odds to me. I bought a dog to fit my requirements and have got exactly what I ordered. An added bonus is that I get the benefits of the poodle character but the coat is much lower maintenance than the pure poodle which is not very practical in the outdoor environment and I tend to have the pure bred clipped very short anyway so she doesn't look like the steriotypical poodle but I'm not after a show dog. Both dogs are spayed and much loved members of the family.
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Post by dazycutter on Jan 11, 2011 9:07:08 GMT
A lovely clip for a pet standard is the "sporting trim" I love them on standards...  I do miss showing the poo's they are such a fantastic breed... but goodness, the prep for a show is hours long with the continental clip.. |
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Post by halfpass on Jan 11, 2011 18:59:55 GMT
Oooo can't wait to get my standard puppy. My friend has a black one who is such a lovely person and great fun to have around, I have one booked but not sure what colour it will be as it has not been born yet. This will be dipping my toe in the water of poodles, so I now who to contact with any problems.
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