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Post by pipandwill on Jan 20, 2011 20:27:31 GMT
I dont just understand why if people have ponies/horses that have somethink really bad happen to them i.e broken leg, colic etc etc, why they dont just put them down, it will put them out of there pain in a fair way. I cant stand it when people put on the internet, like youtube, my poor pony has done somethink and its having surgery tommorow and the dont no weather she will pull through.
Why waste the money? If yu know the pony is in pain that cant be fixed, put it out its pain. Thats the biggest favour you can do for the horse, dont just watch it hobble painfully round the stable.
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Post by rypw on Jan 20, 2011 20:42:55 GMT
If there's something that can be done to save their life then why not, it's not a waste of money if it's your pony...I'd do absolutely anything for mine no matter how much! Fair enough if it's very serious but vet would not put pony through it if they didn't think it could be saved!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jan 20, 2011 21:02:24 GMT
I tried to get my mare through her illness wasnt to be, i am very much pro PTS when needed, but if insured or have the means to try then you just do !
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Post by sageandonion on Jan 20, 2011 21:15:12 GMT
They don't and leave them in pain because they don't love them enough to go through the pain they themselves would feel to be without them.
It takes a special selfless love to make that decision.
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jan 20, 2011 22:27:15 GMT
I am very much pro life and will do anything to keep my ponies in good health or help them when poorly or injured but would not put an animal through an operation if there was no hope given for the outcome of it
I have to say I said yes to my stallion to be nursed through GS first at Royal willy and then by me at home rather than PTS and it gave him almost 3 years of mainly quality of life once recoved, he was gravely ill but wanted to live so I am glad I never did say for him to be pts, it really does depend alot of the situation, pony, diagnosis and likelihood of survival and quality of life
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Post by icarus on Jan 21, 2011 5:04:27 GMT
They don't and leave them in pain because they don't love them enough to go through the pain they themselves would feel to be without them. It takes a special selfless love to make that decision. Very well said! In a nutshell. |
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Post by sarahp on Jan 21, 2011 7:35:54 GMT
It's a balancing act between the amount the animal will suffer and the possible outcome - one reason it is different from humans is that you cannot explain to an animal why it is suffering as much as it is, or for how long, it just knows it is. One operation that has a high chance of restoring the horse to its pre-op state of health is one thing, a long period of suffering such as months of being cross-tied for a broken leg to mend is quite another. I can see why some find colic ops a difficult decision as the vets often can't tell how bad it will be until they get inside to see. I have had one done which was displaced somehow and easily sorted once inside, no bowel needed removing, and she is 100% fine, had one foal OK and no reason now to think her life is/will be affected in any way. Definitely worth doing!
Another point that can come into play is the attitude of the insurance company if the animal is insured, sometimes the owner would prefer the animal to be pts but the insurance company will not pay out in that case, only for more major vet treatment.
It can take courage to make the kindest decision, but we owe it to them to do it.
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Post by titch on Jan 21, 2011 8:38:02 GMT
That is a flippent comment why don't people get put down with terminal illness's??? We don't put a person down for having realy bad pain. I think maybe more thought should have gone into your first post!!!!! My pony has hormone problems and ems and she is in alot of pain at the moment she is being treated and on painkillers do you suggest i have her PTS!! When you have a comment like that maybe keep it to yourself i for one am fed up with people like you!!! I am off now to see my beloved pony and help her through this!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by brt on Jan 21, 2011 9:16:33 GMT
I think there is a very fine line between putting something down because it's in pain and giving it a chance.
I lost my 27yr old mare after she had an accident, she was operated on twice and the vets wanted to operate a 3rd time but i said enough was enough.
So should i have not given her the chances in the first place?
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Post by jazz on Jan 21, 2011 12:18:01 GMT
Firstly, have you ever been in a situation whereby you've had to make a decision on whether or not to put your beloved pony/horse to sleep?
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Post by titch on Jan 21, 2011 15:15:25 GMT
Firstly, have you ever been in a situation whereby you've had to make a decision on whether or not to put your beloved pony/horse to sleep? Yes twice!!! Why? |
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Post by rypw on Jan 21, 2011 15:31:19 GMT
titch, i think jazz was aiming her question at pipandwill x
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Post by bumblebee on Jan 21, 2011 18:16:05 GMT
When my pony got ill I would have tried anything if there was any hope of him recovering. I said that even if he could never be ridden again I didn't care and that I just wanted him to be ok. I wouldn't have had him put to sleep if he had some chance of recovery. However, when Rossdales said there was nothing more that could be done for him then it basically took the decision out of my hands. I couldn't let him suffer when there was no hope of him getting better, so we gave them consent to put him to sleep.
In some ways I was lucky that the situation was pretty much taken out of my hands - there wasn't a decision to be made (he was suffering and there was nothing anyone could do for him), however I think if there is still some hope of them eventually being able to live a normal life then I would be tempted to give treatment a go rather than just putting to sleep at the first sign of trouble.
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Post by Milliesmum on Jan 21, 2011 18:21:31 GMT
I think every pony is different and every situation is different. I think if there is a good chance that a pony of a fair age can have quality of life then it is worth trying to get them right, if there is no positive long term prognosis then PTS is the best option. Although as I said, I think each situation is different.
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Post by gtr121 on Jan 21, 2011 22:15:33 GMT
Titch have you ever thought how lucky animals are at having the option to be put down. Humans are enforced to endure crippling pain right to the end.
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Post by titch on Jan 21, 2011 22:59:46 GMT
Titch have you ever thought how lucky animals are at having the option to be put down. Humans are enforced to endure crippling pain right to the end. I wrote that in my first post. I have seen it first hand in people. Recently lost a close family friend who was riddled with cancer went to her funeral last saturday. She was my first riding instructor. She could not walk and was on breathing aparatus. Life is hard i just wish people would stop and think before opening their mouths and blurting out rubbish !! |
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Post by nightwish on Jan 22, 2011 11:42:18 GMT
My mare fractured her leg when she was a yearling, she was on box rest for 6 weeks and 6 weeks in a tiny field and she had her last xray and was comepletely fine, if she was in more pain or had actually broken it, i would of put her to sleep, its worth tyring to save her life because if people just went round saying 'oh my horse has colic, lets put it down' there would be no horses at all as most horses some time in their life have a bit a colic or soemthing else wrong  |
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Post by pipandwill on Jan 22, 2011 11:45:03 GMT
... i knew a arguement would accur,
What i am trying to say is, its unfair to keep a very ill horse alive it would be a favour to the horse to have it put down, operation after operation etc etc, obviously if there is an amount of certancey that the horse can recover and live a normal horse life then It dosnt matter, but keeping a severly ill horse alive, thats unfair.
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Post by nightwish on Jan 22, 2011 11:51:28 GMT
one of my mares are permantly lame but only very slight and my friends horse has navigular (think thats how you spell it) and shes dreadfully lame, but is really bright and happy, i understand what you mean, didnt mean to come across argumentive if i had a pony or horse that was limping and couldnt walk etc... say lami for exmaple because that can be bad, i would do the kindest thing which would be pts
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Post by pipandwill on Jan 22, 2011 12:28:15 GMT
... my mums horse had navicular, after many tablets etc, the vet suggested to have him shot, we did... a nice horse atill only young but the vet said hje would never recover fully |
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Post by copperfields on Jan 22, 2011 14:16:12 GMT
I lost the love and light of my life 13th November 2010 at 11.14am. My 25 year section b Paxhall Goblin who i had own for 21 years.
He had cushings diease. He wasn't in pain, I would never ever leave a horse in pain. We arrived at the stables to find him stood in the back of his stable shaking, swaying and hemorrhaging badly from both nostrils. Putting him to sleep was the only option but the hardest phone call I have EVER had to make. I sat in his stable with him, his head in my lap and cried but he had made the descision for me and I had to let him go.
I like many others on here turely feel if the horse has a chance with a good, long term, pain free, quality of life then EVERY horse should be given the chance. There are times when, as in my case, the descision had already been made by the horse but if I could have done anything to save him I would have.
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Post by chocoholic on Jan 22, 2011 14:52:04 GMT
If a horse/pony is in serious pain from a short term (that definition can vary), and immediate pain relief can be given, with an excellent prognosis, then yes, do everything you can to save him/her.
However, if the prognosis is recurring bouts of pain, and unable to lead a normal life, eg going out in the field, then it is kinder to let them go.
If someone is in doubt about the long term future of a horse, and cannot keep him/her for any longer, then I am afraid that I am pro PTS, especially in the current climate.
Titch - I sympathise with you, but beg to differ in that humans and animals have a right to live a long life without being put down; we are entirely responsible for making these decisions on behalf of our animals, whereas humans can (without wishing to open a can of worms) make decisions themselves
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Post by sarahp on Jan 22, 2011 15:00:12 GMT
And understand the position, which horses can't.
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Post by nightwish on Jan 22, 2011 15:18:39 GMT
... my mums horse had navicular, after many tablets etc, the vet suggested to have him shot, we did... a nice horse atill only young but the vet said hje would never recover fully My friends horse will never come sound and also she had a major accident before that trigger the navicular off |
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Post by bumblebee on Jan 22, 2011 15:25:33 GMT
There are times when, as in my case, the descision had already been made by the horse but if I could have done anything to save him I would have. Completely agree - with my pony the only options were to have him pts or leave him to die in pain, which we weren't going to let happen. However if there had been any hope of survival then I would have given him the chance. However, he loved life so much that he wasn't going to go without a fight, but once he'd lost the will to live it was obvious that we couldn't do anymore for him. |
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Post by paddywak on Jan 23, 2011 17:33:21 GMT
I look at it like this. A horse does not know being PTS but does know pain. I would do colic ops and general ops but i think when the discomfort becomes ongoing and chronic you have to act.
What i find most frustrating is with very elderly animals when you are just playing a waiting game for something catastropic to happen, an awful colic, unable to get up, acute lami from cushings etc Why dont more people get in there first and stop it coming to this?
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Post by brt on Jan 23, 2011 17:54:43 GMT
I think that the best thing you can do for any animal is preseve it's dignity.
I had one of my husbands dogs put down as he pretty much gave me the sign that enough was enough. Husband didn't speak to me until he had come to terms with it, but no way would i let such a loyal friend suffer.
I have lost a young horse due to a brain tumour, he broke my heart but his mind had gone and i couldn't watch him throw fits and look so confused afterwards.
They put so much faith in us that the one thing we can do for them is to make sure they have their dignity.
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Post by beachbum12 on Jan 23, 2011 21:30:11 GMT
well said BRT I totally agree you have to let them go with dignity..its the hardest decision from owing animals I have had to make that heart breaking decision 4 times over the years with horses but I know hand on heart it was the right one and the right time for each of them , they all went with some dignity and no suffering .
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Post by bumblebee on Jan 23, 2011 21:39:46 GMT
They put so much faith in us that the one thing we can do for them is to make sure they have their dignity. So true - they're our best friends and give us so much pleasure. The least we can do is end their pain and suffering and let them have a dignified end. |
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Post by peds on Jan 23, 2011 22:35:35 GMT
I think it's very much a decision based on individual circumstance.
I had my 5 year old Connie pts a year ago, I was gutted. I got a new horse who was diagnosed with kissing spine 2 months after I bought him, I've been through rehab with him and he's still not back in work bur I'll keep trying.
My old TB is bring pts next week, he's had enough, the light is dimming and it's time. If I was keeping him alive it would be because I can't bear life without him, not because it's vest for him.
When we take these animals on, we take on the responsibilty. It's a horrible decision to have to make but a necessary one.
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