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Post by armada on Feb 4, 2011 18:13:33 GMT
I entered a then lightweight young D in a sports pony youngstock class at a show, all correctly trimmed and plaited up. Asked steward if it was sport pony youngstock - told yes. Next time I passed him I asked if they were going to be shown on the triangle as is usual as there was no sign of one - told no. So carried on and class was judged in the normal fashion and we did pretty well, can't remember where exactly but almost at the top of a decent length line, and then there was a little conversation in which it came to light mine was a pure D, at which point I got stick from the other competitors for taking a reg native in a HUNTER PONY class. I had checked, for heavens sake, I'm not a mind reader nor responsible for others' mistakes! Furious at missing our proper class. I find this quite an amusing story, not that you missed your class and that the steward was clearly not on the ball, but judging last year had an unplaited sec D filly enter the riding pony class. I explained the criteria for the class to the owner and she said she was also thinking of entering the sport horse/pony class. I said if she felt the animal was conformationally correct and athletic in movement then why not. I then discovered to my horror that evening that another competitor considered me an idiot and abyssmal as a judge for what I said, as this person well knew, having 'helped judge' at many shows under no circumstances should a welsh pony be plaited and trimmed, which incidentally this one was'nt, and neither did I suggest she do this. I felt sorely tempted to draw her attention to the picture of a youngster of yours that Lexy had posted on here at the gradings last year. However I contented myself with a few examples of plaited natives especially the SHP and WHP type and suggest she peruse the SPSS website and acquaint herself with a few of the native stallions and in their stud book, plaited or not! |
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Post by Tallyho on Feb 4, 2011 18:30:24 GMT
Oh my god! My mum is so disgracefully guilty of this! Not intentionally she just thnks outloud!
Its soooo mortfifying, so cringeworthyily (if thats a word) embarassing! And if you put her and our friend Jackie together (horrendous) i oftne don't want to leave the ring!
They don't mean anything by it but i go mad! They are banned from standing together and are instructed to keep silent until back at the car these days!
I have heard some pretty awful comments from others though - i hate it all!
We are all entitles to our opinion but some of us have the class to keep them to ourselves in public!
I can chunter as much as i like on the way home!
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 4, 2011 18:55:43 GMT
i toally agree tallyho,
im not judging people but the people in the showing world tend to be well schooled, well brought up "posh" to an extent people, so you would think that people have the brains to keep shrude, vile comments to thmesleves rather than voice them for other ears to hear!
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Post by sarahp on Feb 4, 2011 19:29:52 GMT
Armada - feel free to draw attention to it! But it was not SPSS gradings as such but one of the BEF Futurity classes, where the animal is required to be plaited in order that the neck can be clearly seen by the judges - and has to be bitted and shown in a bridle too. Having got that far, his feathers were trimmed and his tail plaited to make a consistent picture. He did one breed class earlier just as a practise correctly turned out as a D with all the hair!
I personally have no interest in showing mine in SHP classes, and I really can't see why any suitable native should not have a go in them, but would look at RP and SHP classes are for a specific type as I'm sure you do whereas sports/performance pony ones are for any type. So I'm entirely in agreement with what you did, not that I judge anyway. The BEF one I did above included all horse types too and other ponies from other Ds to a NF as well as RP/SHP types. In my original case above, that particular pony was at the time far too light as a youngster for D breed classes but beautifully made so we thought we'd have a go at the sports pony classes - this would have been her second. Now a lovely chunky C who has been sold and well placed under saddle - this incident was a few years ago. Our B years ago did both breed and plaited classes, often at the same show, but that's a bit more difficult with a C or D!
I was rather amazed at the way the others waded in at the time, I think they didn't like being beaten by a D!
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Post by twiglet1 on Feb 4, 2011 19:32:40 GMT
As a happy hacker, I just cannot understand why you lot put yourselves through all this nonsense of judging your ponies/horses. I couldn't give a fig for anyone else's opinion of my horses, they are both superstars to me. It seems to me that you pay as much for entries as the rosette is worth in the first place. I assume that if you win a lot, your pony is worth more, but are you going to sell it? No you love it to bits, so you will keep it. The only trouble I encounter is b%&***( minded cyclists hurtling past us like driven spirits. I also don't care what ppl think Of my boy !! I love him to bits and 2 To me he is the best regardless of his placing I feel lucky he is mine and I'm taking him home  the reason I like to go is I enjoy getting him ready painting his socks and get a massive buzz from the competition he may have in his class !! I thrive on it and hate a easy class it's brill !!! |
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Post by twiglet1 on Feb 4, 2011 19:37:22 GMT
somthing that made me laugh at the weekend would be an mm class was in and was a pretty mixed bunch a lady went to the steward and said oo i think im in the wrong class? what class is this ? to which the steward replied i dont know ill ask the judge...to which the judge replied........................... I DON'T KNOW!!! HAHA she then had to send the steward off to find otu what class she was judging lol !! Lol !!! How mad is that !! That is funny was that the novice m&m ? |
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 5, 2011 14:15:33 GMT
... its not that i care what people say, its the fact they have the cheek t do it.
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Post by iluvmyponies on Feb 5, 2011 14:56:20 GMT
somthing that made me laugh at the weekend would be an mm class was in and was a pretty mixed bunch a lady went to the steward and said oo i think im in the wrong class? what class is this ? to which the steward replied i dont know ill ask the judge...to which the judge replied........................... I DON'T KNOW!!! HAHA she then had to send the steward off to find otu what class she was judging lol !! What is wrong with that?  You can't expect judges to memorise the schedule. |
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 5, 2011 15:27:32 GMT
... how is she meant to judge the class if she dosnt no what to judge?!
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Post by iluvmyponies on Feb 5, 2011 15:44:30 GMT
Well if the class had only just gone in, she wouldn't know what class it is. Fair enough if the class was half way through, but I read it as the class had only just gone in.
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Post by sarahp on Feb 5, 2011 16:14:36 GMT
Judges are booked to judge specific classes, not to just turn up and see what they are given! So the judge should know what she is judging before they come into the ring, and the steward should have her judging schedule anyway if she is in any doubt.
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Post by helle on Feb 5, 2011 18:59:52 GMT
Sarahp, when we bought our then D she was also very lightweight. The first year we showed her as a shp very successfully. She is now re-registred as a C and has filled out well, so would have no hope of doing it now. If the pony is suitable I don't see why a sports pony or SHP should be a fully registred native.
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Post by sarahp on Feb 5, 2011 22:07:46 GMT
Neither do I!
I can't speak for those into SHPs, but the SPSS and BEF Futurities are both very happy to have native ponies of all breeds.
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 6, 2011 17:02:42 GMT
I think any pony can compete within reason  |
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Post by hollycane on Feb 6, 2011 21:07:54 GMT
as this discussion seems to be demonstrating HG'ers all seem to have a healthy ability to express differing opinions on any number of subjects. I think the point seems to be being missed that opinions in themselves are not the problem it's the insensitive, rude and often downright malicious way they are often expressed in and around the showring which causes us all a problem. If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all.
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Post by daizylindsay on Feb 6, 2011 21:48:07 GMT
To be honest in my limited experience of showing, but quite extensive experience of spectating I have found the ringside "judging" to be part and parcel, people seem to think no one can hear their bit*hy comments, they certainly don't like being pulled up on it though.
At a local show last year, my niece was in the leadrein equitation class for her first show, to gain a bit of experience, as she is only 5 we didn't care where she was placed, just that the pony behaved and that she enjoyed it. Anyway the kid that won had what looked like a bike helmet on and trainers and her mum was wearing a tracksuit, but she rode beautifully. When they were pulled in a heckler from ringside said "oh my god are you having a laugh" anyway, the judge seemed to have super sonic hearing and shouted at the person, from the middle of the ring " NO actually I'm not, she was the best jockey here" ! It was so funny, and put the heckler right in her place!
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Post by chorro on Feb 6, 2011 22:42:06 GMT
I used to show my full up sec b as a show hunter and did really well, he could never compete against the cobs in mixed m & m, he also did well in breed classes and he did actually hunt.
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 7, 2011 21:10:56 GMT
as this discussion seems to be demonstrating HG'ers all seem to have a healthy ability to express differing opinions on any number of subjects. I think the point seems to be being missed that opinions in themselves are not the problem it's the insensitive, rude and often downright malicious way they are often expressed in and around the showring which causes us all a problem. If you can't say anything nice don't say anything at all. well said!! Agree totally  ;D |
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Post by madam on Feb 11, 2011 21:26:58 GMT
Furball-If the class you were watching was mixed mm in-hand then i think it was my pony that won the class and went champion!!
Certain people in the ring and outside too, obviously did not agree with the judge. My pony winning was a total shock and made my season as he was a little gelding totally unknown in the in hand world and beat some big winning ponies.
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Post by bennylasarche on Feb 15, 2011 0:02:12 GMT
Its far better to stand at the ringside and look stupid than to open your mouth pass comments and remove all reasonable doubt
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Post by doublevision1972 on Feb 16, 2011 22:48:10 GMT
love that bennylasarche how true
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 27, 2011 17:17:41 GMT
I heard a cheeky unnesary comment yesterday when I was showing at bsps are 10.
I came out my class and the person who came 2nd was walking down to their lorry, aware I was behind, started having a good old rant about the ponies, and the one that one, which was katy carters, I mean really, you wouldnt beat that any way, its a producers. It makes me laugh though, I chuckled to myself and she suddenly became aware of me and abruptley shut up!!! Rather amusing I thought!!!
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Post by laurajazmine on Feb 28, 2011 11:18:11 GMT
I was pretty shocked last year when competing at a LOCAL show, My pony wrong legged it for the first time ever and was dropped from 1st after the go round down to 3rd, which obviously I was still pleased with considering! I came out laughing to my mum at how shes never done that before etc when another JUDGE from a different ring stormed over demanding why I had been placed 3rd and why the other two were above me! She then went on to start slating this judge and I had to stop her and inform her that the placings were correct because my pony had a little blip in her show, she still continued and spent the rest of the day glaring at this other judge because her ring had finished early. Shocked wasn't the word!  I give up this year and im opting for fun! |
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Post by iluvmyponies on Feb 28, 2011 15:50:57 GMT
I was pretty shocked last year when competing at a LOCAL show, My pony wrong legged it for the first time ever and was dropped from 1st after the go round down to 3rd, which obviously I was still pleased with considering! I came out laughing to my mum at how shes never done that before etc when another JUDGE from a different ring stormed over demanding why I had been placed 3rd and why the other two were above me! She then went on to start slating this judge and I had to stop her and inform her that the placings were correct because my pony had a little blip in her show, she still continued and spent the rest of the day glaring at this other judge because her ring had finished early. Shocked wasn't the word! I give up this year and im opting for fun! Is this when I was stewerding Laura? |
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Post by laurajazmine on Feb 28, 2011 16:37:50 GMT
I was pretty shocked last year when competing at a LOCAL show, My pony wrong legged it for the first time ever and was dropped from 1st after the go round down to 3rd, which obviously I was still pleased with considering! I came out laughing to my mum at how shes never done that before etc when another JUDGE from a different ring stormed over demanding why I had been placed 3rd and why the other two were above me! She then went on to start slating this judge and I had to stop her and inform her that the placings were correct because my pony had a little blip in her show, she still continued and spent the rest of the day glaring at this other judge because her ring had finished early. Shocked wasn't the word! I give up this year and im opting for fun! Is this when I was stewerding Laura? Probably, think it was the class where your Bran was 2nd with Jaz, cant remember who won but know that Jazz wrong legged it. |
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Post by pipandwill on Feb 28, 2011 18:55:29 GMT
...I honestly dont know why I show!! Why didnt go for somethink like eventing.... |
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Post by iluvmyponies on Feb 28, 2011 23:20:39 GMT
Is this when I was stewerding Laura? Probably, think it was the class where your Bran was 2nd with Jaz, cant remember who won but know that Jazz wrong legged it. Oh yes! I remember, everyone in the office was quite appalled! To be honest, I see far more 'ring side judges' at RC level than county level. Or maybe it is because you don't usually go around the whole showground & things don't get around as quick. |
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Post by pipandwill on Mar 1, 2011 6:38:09 GMT
I think if a judge behaved like that at a county show, they would be remolved from the show ground.
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Post by katealice89 on Mar 11, 2011 11:56:06 GMT
We had a particularly bad day last weekend with a few ringside comments ... first was questioning the age of our first riden jockey the class limit was 11 from 1st of Jan and our jockey is 11 turning 12 this yr and only been riding a yr so yes she is in the last yr of the class but up against jockeys who have been riing since an early age .... Pony was having an 'off' day which has never occured at a show before but having enterd a LR class with the main jockey pony was a little spooky (newly clipped and first show out so i dont blame her) she spooked at the clapping (which was over the top as not only my pony showed a dislike but others too) the loud clappers happend to be sat behind my sister who is the mother of the child on board the said pony who bless her has a bum like glue and sat beautifully to the pony being silly , my sister kindly asked if they could clap a little quieter as she did not want her child to part form pony only to be told in an off manner the "IT should get used to it then " proceded by louder clapping !!!! Being the leader trrying to talk down the pony and tell the child to hold on and sit up i thought this really rude Its a childs class and consideration should be given to then ! Yes the pony was being silly but was fine untill the clapping started !!
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Post by 14260native on Mar 12, 2011 19:15:11 GMT
We all have the power to complain, but we don't cos we are english,!!!!
We all moan at the ringside which is pointless..
However here are the facts!,
Very few complain to the powers that be, Nps, Ponies Uk so nothing changes, because they cannot do anything not reported.
The judges selection committee are often elderly ladies who probably never go to a show, therefore not going to do anything about SEEING the situation. It has to come from you!!!
SO WHAT CAN WE DO...SIMPLEZZZ... Find anyone who is videoing the class or do it yourself, make sure you also film the rest of the line up and their shows. (you can edit them out after)
IF.... an exhibitor or judge makes a mistake, send the video copy into the society affiliated to and they will do something about it.
I can tell you, Ponies Uk do not take any prisioners and if someone does something out of order and they hear about it they stamp on it. They are very keen on fair judging their repuataion is at stake...
So go on be postitive and do something to improve the judging for others. You have nothing to lose, and everythng to gain and if you think the judge will put you down the line next time WRONG, she /he would not dare put their reputation at risk, by being struck off and your complaint with another video back up again... will be their fear.
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the reason I like to go is I enjoy getting him ready painting his socks and get a massive buzz from the competition he may have in his class !! I thrive on it and hate a easy class it's brill !!! 
You can't expect judges to memorise the schedule.
I give up this year and im opting for fun!