dreams
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Post by dreams on Apr 20, 2011 14:14:28 GMT
I am so fed up of seeing ponies win RI and HOYS qualifiers having gone on the wrong leg or just generally be naughty :@
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 20, 2011 16:28:58 GMT
I know, wont mention who... but saw one the other day!! Lets face it, if most home producers did it, they would be at the ned of the line.
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Post by ponymum on Apr 20, 2011 19:32:29 GMT
oh dear where was this?
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 20, 2011 20:19:53 GMT
Wont mention, if i did would probably be accused of somethink.
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Post by joules on Apr 20, 2011 20:42:54 GMT
Oh well nothings changed then,we are beginning to question why we still want to show,with the cost of diesel,entries, the cost of feed we might as well through our money on the fire,as it seems we are still not going to be judged fairly.I presume this was a produced pony you are referring to,I have nothing against producers,most do a fantastic job,its the judges that need a good sort out,they should not be allowed to do this especially in HOYS and RI classes.
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 20, 2011 20:45:56 GMT
When im in classes with producers. Im happy to be placed below them, because they do have very lovely ponies. It just gets me how some ponies can do a averge show and another can do a spectacular show and come lower.
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Post by ilovenatives on Apr 20, 2011 20:50:47 GMT
I was reading a well known producers blog the other day and it mentioned that a SHP of theirs was pulled in top , wrong legged in its show but still came first and qualified RI . I suppose it depends on what else is in the class and how well they go etc .
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 20, 2011 20:52:47 GMT
Was that templetons? I read their thingy because our friends are on their yard! Still think that is unfair that they still won.
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Post by ilovenatives on Apr 20, 2011 21:03:52 GMT
The winning pony may have been head and shoulders above all the others though and they might not have gone foot perfect either . Having not been there on the day it would be hard to comment . It may have lost marks for the wrong leg but got a high confirmation mark that made up for it . Its easy to get fed up when you see producers always winning but i think we all tend to see our ponies through rose tinted glasses . We had a pony produced last year and i have to say we learnt loads from them .
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2011 20:02:28 GMT
I wont join in the row about who said what etc etc, BUT if a pony is the most mannerly, beautiful and well behaved in the ring, with faultless conformation, then one litte mistake of going on the wrong leg, which is easily corrected - doesnt mean the horse/pony wasnt the best in the class. In dressage - if you strike off on the wrong leg and then change, you will lose 1 point. We regularly compete against produced ponies and riders. I admire how professional they are and try to learn from them. We have beaten them before, but only when we clearly deserved to  |
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Post by lottiechad on Apr 22, 2011 10:42:46 GMT
We are homeproduced and qualified my daughters 153 SHP for Hoys 2 years ago with one stride of wrong leg, he was very polite, corrected immediatley and gave a foot perfect show bar that. He was second on ride mark but top on conformation and won by one mark having been pulled top after the go round.
On the go round a group gallop was required during which many horse mainly with producers misbehaved!
Athough my daughter and I were shocked to qualify(esp as it was the final qualifier of the year and the only one we attended! )
On reflection I dont think it was unfair as he was the judges favourite after the go round , was penalised for the wrong leg, other wise went amazingly and the conformation judge loved him
Sometimes you need to look at more than just one small blip!
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Post by Admin on Apr 23, 2011 17:47:02 GMT
I have had cause to tidy this thread up.
Lets keep on topic.
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Post by snowflake on Apr 23, 2011 17:51:48 GMT
The ponies conformation mark can be miles above others, and if the judge has only deducted a few from the ridden mark, then it makes sense they are still top of the line.
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Post by rightrein92 on Apr 23, 2011 18:03:50 GMT
its the judges decision isant it really if they like the pony they will put it up even if the rider makes a mistake if the pony strikes off on the wrong leg if it is corrected rather quickly it wont take away from what the judge likes about the pony xx
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Post by ladywell on Apr 23, 2011 18:13:42 GMT
Quote:We are homeproduced and qualified my daughters 153 SHP for Hoys 2 years ago with one stride of wrong leg, he was very polite, corrected immediatley and gave a foot perfect show bar that. He was second on ride mark but top on conformation and won by one mark having been pulled top after the go round.
On the go round a group gallop was required during which many horse mainly with producers misbehaved!
Athough my daughter and I were shocked to qualify(esp as it was the final qualifier of the year and the only one we attended! )
On reflection I dont think it was unfair as he was the judges favourite after the go round , was penalised for the wrong leg, other wise went amazingly and the conformation judge loved him
Sometimes you need to look at more than just one small blip!
That really explains it all perfectly - an overall balanced view!
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Post by lastchance on Apr 25, 2011 9:58:11 GMT
I consider it a small blip too. If two animals were impossible to distinguish between in a class except for the fact that one of them had wrong legged it then that could be the deciding factor in the placings but if one animal but for the wrong leg was the better one then I'd have no objection to it winning or being placed above a lesser animal on the day.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Apr 26, 2011 13:08:53 GMT
A momentary (and quickly corrected) wrong leg can often be rider error, particularly with a younger, tense or less experienced jockey.
However, as has been said above, you cannot change the conformation.
NOWHERE (ie: in no rulebook) has it ever been laid down that 5, 10 or 50 marks (I jest!) will be deducted for a wrong leg strike-off.
The "just generally being naughty"(quote) - if it is continuous, is a very different matter.
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Post by ashadow on Apr 26, 2011 18:57:24 GMT
as mentioned before by others I don't mind being placed below producers, and infact now have my pony semi-produced (he's with me at uni during term time and during holidays with my producer) but I was in a HOYS qualifier a few weeks ago where the winner wrong legged their whole gallop, and was still pulled forward to win, but one of my friends wrong legged but soon realised and changed but came no where. It just sometimes seems that there is one rule for one pony and another rule for others. However I wont take it away from the first placed pony that it was an extremely well put together pony so this is where it probably pulled up its overall mark
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Post by pipandwill on Apr 27, 2011 20:16:56 GMT
Yes, the producers ponies are always looking brill and are true to type. Small blips that win, i dont mind, its the larger, more naughty ponies that get placed above well behaved ponies, surely the conformation can t overshadow that?
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Post by sageandonion on Apr 30, 2011 20:24:25 GMT
What is this mortal sin about taking the wrong leg? It happens, it isn't a major thing if corrected and, in schooling terms, isn't a big deal. It is especially minor if riding on grass where you might hit a hump or hole in the ground. Excuse my ignorance, but how can you be on the wrong leg in gallop?  |
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Post by pipandwill on May 1, 2011 7:35:08 GMT
I guess if it changes leg in it or somethink?... Did it ashadow?
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Post by ashadow on May 3, 2011 19:27:44 GMT
yep, came round and as went into its gallop did a lovely flying change on to the wrong leg. But oh well, another day, another qualifier lol I'm getting pretty used to it now it just something we've probably got to learn to put up with and our day will come eventually, starting to really like the colour purple we seem to get it a lot hahaha x |
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Post by dreams on Jun 9, 2011 13:59:44 GMT
Once again at the weekend i had to sit and watch 5 RI tickets be given to ponies on the wrong leg... !!!!! when the other ponies went BEAUTIFULLYYY!!!!!!! :@ small children coming out of the ring crying as it was their last chance to qualify and they couldnt see why this was fair... Ponies still getting 46-48 out of 50 for their show on a wrong leg is totally unacceptable !!! and just shows they were totaly fixed :@
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Post by sageandonion on Jun 9, 2011 14:10:35 GMT
Well frankly parents should not be putting little children in to classes with so much pressure that they start crying if they don't win! What's that about. In the great scheme of things it is of such little importance, or should be, to the happiness and well being of a child.
So many mothers are living, or trying desperately to, their dream through their children. A lot don't ride or have given up and the pressure on their children to achieve the ambition they mothers want is ridiculous. Get on a blimming horse and go do it for yourself if you can or just simply let your children have some fun.
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dreams
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Post by dreams on Jun 9, 2011 17:47:39 GMT
i think it was more a case of it was blaitently unfair ans they wondered what they had to do to acc win!
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Post by 5874julie on Jun 13, 2011 23:34:18 GMT
Years ago my pony was pulled 2nd in a massive HOYS first ridden qualifier. It broke on the wrong leg and was immediately corrected,and the rest of its show was foot perfect. But the judge then instructed my jockey not to strip! i have always thought that if a wrong leg is neatly corrected it should not be a complete show- stopper, and i thought this was deeply unfair.
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Post by pipandwill on Jun 14, 2011 20:09:52 GMT
Years ago my pony was pulled 2nd in a massive HOYS first ridden qualifier. It broke on the wrong leg and was immediately corrected,and the rest of its show was foot perfect. But the judge then instructed my jockey not to strip! i have always thought that if a wrong leg is neatly corrected it should not be a complete show- stopper, and i thought this was deeply unfair. That is unfair... I have seen ponies go all the way around on wrong legs, and never been instructed to not continue/strip. |
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Post by harrythepig on Jun 20, 2011 19:45:32 GMT
A month ago y daughter was in an unaffiliated class. Her pony went brillaintly in the go round and was called in 6th behind some much larger ponies/adults. During their individual shows the second to 5th standing horses all wrong footed in their canters and a couple bucked.
Imagine my shock when she comes out and does a trot figure of eight, bows and returns the line up.
She was clarly upset while she waited for the remaining horses to do their shows. Every one cantered.
She stayed in her 6th place and came out very tearful(which is unusual).
She told me that the judge had said to her ' Just do a trot. Your pony is too small to comete aginst the bigger ones so I cant move you up regardless of how you go.'
I was fuming and had to walk away.
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Post by trudi on Jul 5, 2011 18:22:29 GMT
I have been showing a little while and it seems a shame to me that judges put up horses wich dish for example because that may be their type... but a horse with a good conformation that moves straight should in my opinion be placed higher their type or not.... why they have not the courage to do this just because others continue to place who they know or a producer is riding the pony etc this is bad for future breeding of what ever breed ! had to have my say |
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