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Post by LucyHebditch on Jun 27, 2011 7:18:24 GMT
Never moaned on here before, now i feel the time has come  Yesterday we went to an NPS show at Crealy (Devon) We had a lovely day in the hot weather, also won our novice lr in the morning! We then did another lr in the afternoon only to stand 2nd to a lame pony! This really annoys me when judges don't see it! This pony was hopping in front, if the judge didn't see it he must have spent the duration of the class with his eyes shut! The judge then turned round to me and told me that i am leading the pony incorrectly! Now, i am happy to take on board information that is actually constructive, but this really annoyed me as i have been leading for years at top level and have NEVER been told i'm doing it wrong! He said that i need to change if we want to succeed at county level, i felt like turning round and saying, actually we do brilliantly at county level! But i just nodded and smiled. Anyone that knows me and has seen me leading at shows, i'm sure would say that i do it well as i am confident that this is one of the things i am really good at! I'm just so angry as our pony really deserved to win that class, he went beautifully! We missed out on qualifying for that class at NPS champs now and a lame pony got it just because the judge new her! |
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Post by mollymalone on Jun 27, 2011 10:31:33 GMT
That is a shame; I was at the show and I thought the judging was quite good - but I didnt watch the lead reins other than noticing that the morning class was a fairly big class (compared to some) and had quality ponies in it, so well done for that.
In the M&M riddens, the judges did send out a lame pony (and that was not terribly lame).
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 27, 2011 13:52:40 GMT
Went to crowland to watch saturday, it was awful a lame horse kept winning, it was only the local ring but still, lots of horses not turned out correctly getting Equifest/bsps tickets, a [badly] plaited local horse went through in the Equifest cob class, what are these numpties going to do at Equifest, they will look like total idiots. You could say every one should go to Equifest and have fun, but in what are meant to be champ classes?  Glad i didnt bother taking any thing,i'll give it a miss next year! |
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Post by m&mwhp on Jun 27, 2011 14:06:48 GMT
Went to crowland to watch saturday, it was awful a lame horse kept winning, it was only the local ring but still, lots of horses not turned out correctly getting Equifest/bsps tickets, a [badly] plaited local horse went through in the Equifest cob class, what are these numpties going to do at Equifest, they will look like total idiots. You could say every one should go to Equifest and have fun, but in what are meant to be champ classes? Glad i didnt bother taking any thing,i'll give it a miss next year! WHERES THE LIKE BUTTON!? Crowland was awful this year, not sure what the judges were thinking! Pretty bad ponies turned up as well, but they seemed to collect all the goods?! However, there were a couple of pot hunters there! One was on a bsps team................. in the local ring?! I would find that embarrassing! And a very nice shp that I've seen there before, a huge riding horse which was dripping in sweat due to the oil they put on the poor thing and a nice hack too. Don't understand why people do this! And as for the lame pony in the local ring... don't get me started! Lucy, just let it blow over even though its soooooooooo frustrating! You know you should of won, and you know how to lead! Remember, you were at RIHS last year so you can't be leading wrongly! ;D |
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Post by network on Jun 27, 2011 14:10:44 GMT
what are these numpties going to do at Equifest, they will look like total idiots. What a completely nasty thing to say  we were all numpties once, or was you born perfect |
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Post by haggismarmite on Jun 27, 2011 14:59:38 GMT
Must be a bug going round affecting eyesight at the moment, and owner's judgement to work their horses whilst lame we stood beneath a lame horse yesterday who was sent out of the workers for being lame so the owners took it into a different ring different judge instead of going home and won the class, even making the poor thing jump which you could see made it wince as it landed poor thing.
I'm too wet to stand up to them but another bystander told them off as they left with their trophy and spoke to the judge but they'd very sensibly boxed up and left ASAP.
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Post by m&mwhp on Jun 27, 2011 15:19:55 GMT
what are these numpties going to do at Equifest, they will look like total idiots. What a completely nasty thing to say we were all numpties once, or was you born perfect I'm sure it wasn't meant in a nasty way... But it is true, they will look completely out of place as I was at the show on saturday and the standard was very low. Although, we all gain from experience! |
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Post by pipandwill on Jun 27, 2011 18:31:16 GMT
its a shame to see out of place, and genuinly confused people that go out to do big showing, im not sure they acutally know what to do!
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Post by LucyHebditch on Jun 27, 2011 18:34:55 GMT
I'm glad everyone agree's that a lame pony shoud be sent out!
What's worse is the leader has judged HOYS qualifiers and was completely unaware that her pony was hopping! I for one can sense when the pony is moving fluently next to me without even looking!
I would have thought an adult of her experience should know too! Clearly not...
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Jun 27, 2011 18:35:52 GMT
lrh123 - out of interest what did the judge say you were doing wrong???
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Post by LucyHebditch on Jun 27, 2011 18:42:37 GMT
Apparently i am supposed to hold the lead at the very end. Whilst i appreciate that this used to be the norm, i know that recently peoply have taken to coiling it into their right hand! There is only a small minority of people that still lead on the end of the rein in there left hand!
He needs to move with the times and go to a county show himself as he will notice a big difference.
But to be honest i don't think this is a reason, i believe it was an excuse
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Post by hatman on Jun 27, 2011 23:25:21 GMT
I have seen you lead a few times and think you do a wonderful job and look very professional and graceful. Your turn out is always lovely too. Keep up the good work xx
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Post by greengage on Jun 28, 2011 9:11:36 GMT
Who was the judge, I am in the process of writing to NPS about a judge and your experience sounds like it could be same one. PM me if you prefer.
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Post by hj49 on Jun 28, 2011 9:19:10 GMT
Went to crowland to watch saturday, it was awful a lame horse kept winning, it was only the local ring but still, lots of horses not turned out correctly getting Equifest/bsps tickets, a [badly] plaited local horse went through in the Equifest cob class, what are these numpties going to do at Equifest, they will look like total idiots. You could say every one should go to Equifest and have fun, but in what are meant to be champ classes? Glad i didnt bother taking any thing,i'll give it a miss next year! i agree there was a horse that got 1st which was obviously lame which then also got reserve in the championship the judging that day was odd in some classes My friend got placed second to last in a class where there the ponies wouldn't canter and where wearing all the wrong stuff and the wrong tack and her horse went beautifuly and showed rein back extended canter etc and still got placed 11th in the class |
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Post by ilovenatives on Jun 28, 2011 9:34:39 GMT
Most people lead with the rein coiled up in the right hand , we had our lead rein with a producer last year who has been placed at Hoys many times in lead rein and thats how he lead our pony . Haggis Marmite glad someone complained about the lame pony , but im like you dont like to make a fuss . It was only a local show they made up there own rules to say the least . My daughter came off in the small M&M as there were hunters in the next ring and one was leaping about as she came past and it upset the pony . The judge said she could stay in if she wanted to which she did but i told her expect to be last as you came off . I didnt expect her to be judged just glad she had got back on so at least hopefully she wont be nervous next time . So she came out and did an ok show but not polished like some off the others and the judge put her third  . Although only a local charity show it was an equifest qualifier . So we experienced random judging in our favour but felt it was unfair on the other competitors as i thought the judge would just give my daughter a special and say well done . The jockeys placed below didnt look happy and quite rightly so . |
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 28, 2011 10:54:13 GMT
I didnt mean it nastisly Desktop, i just show localy, i wouldnt enter a Equifest champ class my ponies arent good enough, i know they arent good enough. But your telling me a plaited horse in a cob champ with huge golf ball elastic band plaits wrong turn out on the rider isnt going to look just a trifle silly??? I was just there to watch i didnt complete, why would you even take a hopping lame horse in the ring? ? So their not a numpty then who is lol |
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Post by hj49 on Jun 28, 2011 17:27:26 GMT
even the dressage judge who was sat along way away in the car could see the horse was lame, yet the judge failed to notice
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Post by solitaire on Jun 30, 2011 6:50:05 GMT
If this show is holding equifest qualifications and the judging is so poor i suggest you tell betsy at Equifest as they expect shows to supply judges that have experience in judging and are of a good standard.
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Post by bowditchblobs on Jun 30, 2011 20:21:41 GMT
It was the local ring that the judging was poor, the problem in the affilited rings in some [not m@ms]classes there was only one may be two "affilited" exhibits entered leaving the other ticket to go to a wrongly entered exhibit ie a plaited "cob" and a hogged "hunter" [they werent cobs/hunter types] if you folllow. Cant blame the judges what could they do, cant say well you come second but you cant quailfy go away.Trickey!!!!
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Post by eskvalleystud on Jun 30, 2011 22:32:53 GMT
surely if they are not of the standard they can not allow them to qualify??? or do rules say differently? I would of thought judges decision final? if didn't think up to qualifying why let them? seems daft allround!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 1, 2011 16:29:18 GMT
Most people lead with the rein coiled up in the right hand , we had our lead rein with a producer last year who has been placed at Hoys many times in lead rein and thats how he lead our pony . Haggis Marmite glad someone complained about the lame pony , but im like you dont like to make a fuss . It was only a local show they made up there own rules to say the least . My daughter came off in the small M&M as there were hunters in the next ring and one was leaping about as she came past and it upset the pony . The judge said she could stay in if she wanted to which she did but i told her expect to be last as you came off . I didnt expect her to be judged just glad she had got back on so at least hopefully she wont be nervous next time . So she came out and did an ok show but not polished like some off the others and the judge put her third . Although only a local charity show it was an equifest qualifier . So we experienced random judging in our favour but felt it was unfair on the other competitors as i thought the judge would just give my daughter a special and say well done . The jockeys placed below didnt look happy and quite rightly so . Rubbish!! Hold the rein as you prefer to hold the rein. BUT: it MUST be a light, delicate hold, away from the pony, not hanging on to the pony. The little rider should not (IMO) be a complete passenger, but should be part of the unit, part of the discussion. There is no Lead rein 'fashion change', just everyone has their prefered method of rein holding. What I DO NOT like to see and have seen recently at a very big show, is some younger riders running their ponies up the 'in hand' phase, only holding the reins in the right hand. Not safe and not correct. It looks far too 'cocky', too. |
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Post by tinytot on Jul 1, 2011 21:02:36 GMT
I have had the same comment ...I hold my lead rein in my right hand with a long lead with a light contact and was told I was holding it incorrectly, but the judge also told me that my 3 year old daughter should have been riding the pony independantly and I was just suppossed to run next to it! Which I though was ridiculous! The class was 'Lead rein pony' not an equitation class and what child of 3 can do their up downs, hold their reins, steer and remember a show! My daughter does perfect up downs, sits lovely and holds her reins with a lovely contact and the pony knows its job does a perfect show on the contact every time! The pony which won was also lame! We have been to and won at county shows. Maybe some judges really don't know what they should be looking for?
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Post by horseylady on Jul 1, 2011 22:12:01 GMT
Blah Blah Blah... you could hold the rein in your teeth for all i care  As long as your lovely pony looks after your child, is safe and consistent in your show, with good conformation suited to its type, excellent turnout, super manners a natural smile (i hate the forced smile with a cardboard cut out position from child) and you enjoy your day.. to many people poking there noses in other peoples business these days. I think there are far more concerns happening in today's show rings to be bothered about, than which hand the rein is bloody in!!! x |
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Post by Karen, garrettponies on Jul 1, 2011 22:23:17 GMT
[Blah Blah Blah... you could hold the rein in your teeth for all i care As long as your lovely pony looks after your child, is safe and consistent in your show, with good conformation suited to its type, excellent turnout, super manners a natural smile (i hate the forced smile with a cardboard cut out position from child) and you enjoy your day.. to many people poking there noses in other peoples business these days. I think there are far more concerns happening in today's show rings to be bothered about, than which hand the rein is bloody in!!! x Well said!! |
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Post by callyh2005 on Jul 2, 2011 2:39:00 GMT
had the same thing with my daughter (no such a high level only local pony club), the judge knew the girl and family and placed her 1st. when my daughter asked the judge where she went wrong he said the class was difficult to judge and just picked them out, he also advised me that due to having a lead chain rather than a full leather lead rein in hand it was incorrect. He was judging a handler class, really annoyed so i can sypathise with you, its sad when that happens, especially when you can see the horse that wins is blaitantly lame. sorry for your loss of placement xx
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Post by welsha on Jul 4, 2011 6:43:43 GMT
There is a male judge around us (North of England) who always gives us the lesson on how to lead. He always tells me off for leading with my right hand (physically cant seem to do it with the left! Think I would fall over! ) He always tells me that if I ever go to PUK etc I will look silly leading in my right hand (rubbish!!!) The week after one of the occasions my pony was 1st and 2nd in his huge classes at PUK Champs with me leading in the right hand, so the judges there obviously didnt mind! He also has a major thing with Wilkies being gags too so always get that comment although it doesnt seem to affect the way he places them. He went down the line at one show telling us all off for having them - but all off us in the top 4 all had wilkies in (but wilkies are a whole seperate discussion LOL!!!)
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Post by Wishiwasrich on Jul 4, 2011 7:23:57 GMT
What a shame, I think we all get a bit anoyed with coming down wind of a poorer pony but can justify getting beten by a better one or one we consider to be of equal(ish) standing. The only thing you can do is move on. x
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Post by Guestless on Jul 4, 2011 10:28:09 GMT
I think I'm being landed with doing LR next year and this thread is making me a bit concerned about getting things right! I think I will go along with the "as long as the child is safe" view though and just try to smile and enjoy it....if the jockey will actually let me lead her. She is 2 and has already decided she doesn't need led! Thank goodness her Shetland is a saint!  |
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Post by LucyHebditch on Jul 4, 2011 20:53:00 GMT
Guestless, you're right! Just go with keeping the jockey safe! At the end of the day, there is no right and wrong which is why i am annoyed because it was a poor excuse! He said that i also need to be letting the child do all the work. I'm sorry but if i am leading on the end of the rope and allowing the child to do everything, this is surely a sign that she is capable of first ridden, i think judges have lost sight of what a 'lead rein pony' actually means! We have now moved on, we no our pony is very correct and has the potential to go all the way, so i am now over it, at the time it really did annoy me! Will see what the weekend brings  |
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Post by lips36 on Jul 13, 2011 13:57:32 GMT
I've always gone to crowland, but wouldn't after last yr although I was well placed I found the old chap who judged my self very rude and talked to me like I didn't have a clue, and thought I'm not wasting my money to talk very loud verging on shouting and insisting the person he pulled in 2nd next to me I was 1st our horses were bred the same and from the same yard more a less called the other lady and me liars , I was embarrassed , never again lol.
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Glad i didnt bother taking any thing,i'll give it a miss next year!
we were all numpties once, or was you born perfect 
