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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 5, 2011 18:42:34 GMT
I'm really not sure why you should get placed lower for splints.
It's not really your fault if your horses get them in some cases- E.G- Monty, has had a good season. We haven't overworked him and we've ridden mainly on soft ground. For whatever reason he's got two splints on his front legs, and we haven't caused them.
What annoys me, is monty has absoutly fabulous conformation otherwise- but at the Yorkshire we'll definitely be marked down. Fair enough, you have two horses, both with perfect shows, one has a splint one doesn't, yeah you'd pick the one without a split probably. But its not really your fault!
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Post by muggley on Jul 5, 2011 21:27:02 GMT
Splints in working horses I don't mind. Splints on Show Horses I do. To my mind they are a conformation defect that detract from the overall picture of the horse. If the horse has very good conformation then they should never get a splint. Yes I know some splints are caused by other means but in Show horses that are unlikely to actually go out hunting, bombing it round the fields yee-haa-ing, going off show jumping or eventing then I see no reason why they should have formed a splint.
Sorry, I would mark a pony down for it aswell.
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Post by showing4life on Jul 5, 2011 21:29:56 GMT
How would you treat a splint (really small) on a working hunter pony. My worker came home from hunting with a splint last season and has flawless confermation apart from it. We usually get very high confermation marks 8-9 out of 10. So far this season only one judge has put against us giving us a 4  |
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Post by bouncer on Jul 5, 2011 21:33:30 GMT
You could try lemons but they usually reabsorb over time anyway, especially a small one
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 6, 2011 6:24:21 GMT
Splints in working horses I don't mind. Splints on Show Horses I do. To my mind they are a conformation defect that detract from the overall picture of the horse. If the horse has very good conformation then they should never get a splint. Yes I know some splints are caused by other means but in Show horses that are unlikely to actually go out hunting, bombing it round the fields yee-haa-ing, going off show jumping or eventing then I see no reason why they should have formed a splint. Sorry, I would mark a pony down for it aswell. You can't always stop horses getting a splint. Im not at the stables 24/7, most likely 3 times a week excluding weekends. My pony, god knows what he does, might bomb round the field. He is a show horse, an M&M. But I understand if you'd overworked them etc, but you can't stop them running around the field? I want him to be a pony, be able to gallop around. It's not our fault that the ground is rock solid  We;re using splintex silver, and its working (a little bit :\ ) and we're bandadging, magnetic boots, everything. We haven't tried a lemon as my friends D Had two splints, and it didn't work. Yet she went to HOYS with two splints and got 8th  x |
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Post by muggley on Jul 6, 2011 7:33:07 GMT
How would you treat a splint (really small) on a working hunter pony. Working Hunters I class as working horses as, in theory, they go out hunting. They are also required to jump so I would overlook a small splint on such an animal. M&M's would be the last breeds I would expect to see have a splint as they should be of strong enough build and bone density to withstand their natural habitats - brick hard or bog. Of all the herds of natives, and I've noseyed through a fair few of different breeds, that live pretty much as they should I have yet to see a single pony with a splint. |
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 6, 2011 20:10:39 GMT
Must be our ground. Since my B, and my friends D, have perfect bone. Traditonal M&M but they still have Splints. Any horse can get splints.
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Post by laurajazmine on Jul 6, 2011 20:17:05 GMT
My workers pony got a very small one the other weekend after jumping, Im hoping it doesn't go against her as she is a WHP. But theres nothing I can do..
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Post by m&mwhp on Jul 6, 2011 20:24:42 GMT
Must be our ground too... I take my ponies hunting, they are m&ms (one is a ridden sec c and the other is a whp/eventing/sometimes ridden connie) They both have splints.
The sec C got her splint in early 2009 - when hunting. The connie got his splint last year after the horrible hard ground we had in the summer - I could do nothing about my ponies galloping around in the field, having fun... being ponies.
Although, saying that the connie is out doing workers this season qualifying for the RIHS with a splint. And winning left, right and center.
A friends pony (another m&m) has got an unsightly splint! So I wouldn't say m&m's are the least expected to get splints, I feel any pony can get a splint, whether that be out hunting, on hard ground or just in the field.
S4L- Sounds like you're having a rough time over in Ireland! I don't think we have got any lower than a 6 for conf with a splint this year!
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Post by BelmontShowTeam on Jul 6, 2011 20:40:42 GMT
what makes you say you can do nothing,
soak brown paper in vinegar and lemon juice, wrap firmly(not too tight) round spilt area, continue for 3/5 days
hose down with cold water then hot water 20mins a day.
good luck
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Post by laurajazmine on Jul 6, 2011 22:14:40 GMT
I meant nothing I can do to stop her getting them, she is a pony and does play and gallop round the field.
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Post by showing4life on Jul 6, 2011 22:21:11 GMT
S4L- Sounds like you're having a rough time over in Ireland! I don't think we have got any lower than a 6 for conf with a splint this year! She was a show pony judge noooo idea why she ws judging the workers short notice or something :/ so mum reckons she thaught she was judging show ponies considering a converted show pony won it  |
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 7, 2011 0:22:42 GMT
I meant nothing I can do to stop her getting them, she is a pony and does play and gallop round the field. My point EXACTLY  x |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2011 7:21:09 GMT
we had a lovely new forest who got kicked by a visitor that broke into her field, it turned into what looked like a splint, ruined her show career- no ones fault just something that can happen.
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Post by ticktock on Jul 7, 2011 14:59:26 GMT
I have even more of a problem with curbs. I have never seen a horse lame because of a curb, or in fact a curb affect function in any way. However they are meant to be the worst of the worst in showing terms.
On the other hand I have seen splints cause lameness, but agree that they are the risk we take for allowing our horses to have a life outside showing.
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 9, 2011 16:14:54 GMT
My boy works so hard, of course im going to let him be a pony. But it isnt our fault for letting them be how they should & they get splints..
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 9, 2011 16:34:09 GMT
It isn't a person's fault if their horse acquires sweet itch, windgalls and all manner of other blemishes but it will always affect placings in the show ring.
It is a person's fault if they they are devasted because their horse acquires a blemish. Horses are worth so much more than a few circles in the show ring.
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Post by bow1607 on Jul 9, 2011 16:36:31 GMT
If the horse has very good conformation then they should never get a splint. Yes I know some splints are caused by other means but in Show horses that are unlikely to actually go out hunting, bombing it round the fields yee-haa-ing, going off show jumping or eventing then I see no reason why they should have formed a splint. why would a show horse not go bombing it around a field? my tb riding horse threw a splint with turnout boots on...... yes she was yee-haa-ing round the field because personally, weather shes a show horse or not she should live like a horse, or would it have been best to keep her cooped up 24/7 and blow her mind? I really don't understand the above comment, I know quite a number of big producers and showing people who turn there horses out everyday...... and all winter too. |
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Post by sageandonion on Jul 9, 2011 20:36:17 GMT
Goodness don't show horses have a life? I am sure treating them as above would actually be depriving them of the RSPCA freedoms. If you effectively caged a horse like that, you will find it very quickly develops splints, tendon injuries etc. etc. when it goes crackpot in the ring on its weak spindly bones and extra soft tissue. God Bless the rider and heaven help the ride judge.
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Post by bow1607 on Jul 9, 2011 21:52:58 GMT
Thank god s+o...... I thought I was going mad! and glad its not just me that thinks show horses are actually just "horses" and it is we that put the "show" in front!
I can just see me now turning Ollie out in the field and him thinking "right, I must not whooly around, because I am now a show horse and we are not to behave in that manner!" lol
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Post by muggley on Jul 9, 2011 22:43:40 GMT
You've misunderstood my meaning of "bombing it round the fields yeehaaing" I meant that not many owners would ride their horses out and go bombing around the fields -intentionally. How many of them actually live like normal horses and go out hacking, galloping across fields, through the woods jumping lots and the likes? Of course you can't stop them zooming about when turned out and I would never, ever suggest keeping a horse in unnecerssarily.
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Post by bow1607 on Jul 10, 2011 9:44:22 GMT
I think you would be quite surprised on how many top show horses do everyday things..... I remember h+h did an article not to long back about show horses hunting, and most of them hack out everyday.
I have had 2 horses that developed splints and both happened when they were turned out........ the chestnut had fabulous limbs and I was gutted but thats life...... and she was pratting about in the field!
I didn't think it was fair or correct for it to be stated that if your horse has very good conformation it should NEVER get a splint...... they do, but I do agree that if a horse has a splint it should get marked down, although if it was the best in the class I wouldn't pull it out of first just because it did have a splint.
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Post by lillicob on Jul 11, 2011 10:24:28 GMT
You've misunderstood my meaning of "bombing it round the fields yeehaaing" I meant that not many owners would ride their horses out and go bombing around the fields -intentionally. How many of them actually live like normal horses and go out hacking, galloping across fields, through the woods jumping lots and the likes? Of course you can't stop them zooming about when turned out and I would never, ever suggest keeping a horse in unnecerssarily. Mine always have and many do. Our show cob saw a menage once during the showing season, spent the rest of our time playing with the kids in the field over XC jumps, hacking out and she went to somerford several times, never got a splint and at 17 she still hasnt got a mark on her legs. Before hoys she was still out all day, doing canter work and hacking, never saw the arena until she got to Hoys All mine go out all day everyday and always will even after a show they go straight out in the field. My big horse who will hopefully do workers will be treated the same, hacking, having fun and he cavorts around the field, if he throws a splint he throws a splint, not the end of the world would rather that than a broken leg, curbs or spavins. Conformation is a contributing factor but not the only cause, trauma, poor foot balance, concussion, etc etc. Alot of show horses are hunted, if they were drilled in the school constantly they would jack the job, these horses arent machines, they need a varied workload for fitness and mental wellbeing. I wouldnt dream of taking anything of mine to a show without it being fit enough to do the job. |
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Post by mandmfan on Jul 11, 2011 11:50:01 GMT
It isn't a person's fault if their horse acquires sweet itch, windgalls and all manner of other blemishes but it will always affect placings in the show ring. It is a person's fault if they they are devasted because their horse acquires a blemish. Horses are worth so much more than a few circles in the show ring. I couldn't agree more. Very well said. |
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Post by pipandwill on Jul 11, 2011 15:09:48 GMT
My old nusery stakes pony had a splint, he had very varied conf marks, sometime he had one off the best others he had one of thw worst... Just how different judges decide to mark splints I guess.
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Post by muffymoo on Jul 16, 2011 10:49:17 GMT
My boy works so hard, of course im going to let him be a pony. But it isnt our fault for letting them be how they should & they get splints.. I thought you only rode a couple of days a week and didnt overwork him? |
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Post by welshiegirl on Jul 17, 2011 14:57:32 GMT
I dont. But when I ride him he works really hard. I ride him about three times a week.
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Post by Twiggy on Jul 25, 2011 11:43:32 GMT
I never over emphasise on splints, the fact your horse is back at the knee, for example, isn't your fault, but you should get marked down. There are faults far worse than splints, a conformation fault, in a nutshell is something that puts pressure on a joint, personally i have little issue with them if conformation of the leg is correct and does not put pressure on joints, therefore the splint would be a reuslt of a grwoth spurt or trauma to the leg etc. Judges will just have pet hates in conformation, clean limbs are high on some judges lists, even at the expense of a greater faults (in my eyes) in some cases! It happens, and there isn't really anything you can unfortunately! X |
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Post by rideremz on Aug 3, 2011 20:04:26 GMT
my 13.2 sp had a splint on both front legs not masive ones but if a judge was one that always looked for splints they saw them we put goose grease on his just rub a big dollop in once a day it seemed to help a bit .. but the majority of the time no judge ever noticed .. you can be sneaky about where you stand during the conformation bit i always made sure i stood infront of him and if the judge asked me to move i still stook one of my legs infront of his to cover it up or kept bendin down to get him grass or pick up some earth to distract the judges eye a little bit but never the less i got 5th at HOYS on him but typical the judge noticed them whilst i was at HOYS grrrrr i got the top show mark and one of the lowest confo marks ... and my horse get treat like any other horse hes on a producers yard but still goes in the field for about 9 hours a day as well as being hacked out about 3 times a week and we race him against the others in the field he loves it xx |
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