JUDGING , OH MY GOD !!!

[GUEST STAR]

>:(i have just been to a show to support a local horse charity and i am furious !!! my daughter shows her pony on a rgular basis at county level so i hope i have some idea at how to turn out a child and pony, but now think oh my god what am i doing wrong ?

it was a local show so not a wide range of classes but thought as it was local and for charity we would attend and support etc , so i put my daughter who is only 8 in the in hand best turned out and condition and ridden best turned out , she did not get placed in either class and when coming out of the class adviced me the judge told her your pony is to fat, firstly are welsh section a ponies meant to be thin also the person who was judging also worked but the charity and in both competitions 4 of her own horses were in the 1st six !!!

at the end i questioned her what she was looking for in these classes as those in the line up had on martingales , tendon boots etc etc, the judge the adviced me that this is not a show for county ponies and if you dont like it dont bother coming again

what do you think i dont excpect to win every week but is it really to much to ask to be judged fairly

[wendbarry1]

welcome to the world of crap judging!

[nobby]

Must say I dont think county level equines should go to little local shows charity or not, I think the judge was maybe trying to prove a point!

[Milliesmum]

I do think in the classes Guest Star mentioned, county ponies can compete on a level with riding club ponies. Those classes wouldn't be marked on conformation and action, more on cleanliness and correctness of pony, rider and tack for best turned out, and obviously condition for the best condition class. All of these I think can be achieved by anyone, regardless of their usual level of showing, and the judging should have reflected that.

I do think in straightforward showing classes, maybe your county ponies would find it a bit of a walkover, but theres nothing wrong with them attending these shows and doing the fun classes, or trying something different. Especially if it brings in funds for the benefit of the everyday members!

[new to this]

>:(in regard to this surely nobody whether an individual or working for a certain organisation should be judging there own equines or equines that they work with at the end of the day its only right and fair in the real world to use impartial judges who wants to really deep down win a class because they are friendly with the judge

[confused]

You should not be allowed to judge your own horses, or indeed go under someone with whom you work with or have lessons with, but sadly people do, and it has become increasingly obvious in certain classes when there is only ever one winner under a certain judge. It is wrong and it will get to the point when noone else will compete in the classes because they don't want to be beaten by the same horse everytime, especially when the horse is at best a local riding club horse and would be completely out of place in a BSHA class.
But there you go that is showing for you, you do the big stuff you are beaten by the professionals, you do the small stuff on a nice animal you are accused of pot hunting....buy chickens, sell eggs...lol

[anotherdeal1]

i really dont agree that 'county show ponies' shouldnt be 'allowed' at local shows my daughter has two show ponies that she shows at county level but i take her to local shows to have fun, she is only six and loves her ponies to bits and i dont want her to become too serious about the whole thing, i get this all the time we went to a local show a few weeks ago and overheard quite a few people saying that we shouldnt be there but im sorry my child is exactly the same as every other child there and we pay our entry fees too. these ponies are not just show ponies they go to pony club and do gymkhana games(not very well but they have a bash!!) but most of all they give my little girl a fun day out. So why shouldnt county ponies be allowed at local shows???

[pony mum]

I totally agree, my daughter shows her pony at local riding club shows and it's an ex RIHS/HOYS pony, but she is 5 and has to start somewhere.
I also don't understand why someone who is an amateur and works etc should not be able to compete at the Amateur showing Society if they have qualified for the RIHS, you are still an amateur, you just have prodi=uced your pony well.

[ponymum]

Pony mum (guest) please choose another name to call yourself, IM THE REAL PONYMUM!!!!

[nat3265]

Well I went to watch a friend's daughter at a show on Saturday and her pony went fab, in one of her classes there were 3 in and the she was pulled in 2nd after the go round - 1st did their show and cantered on the wrong leg all the way round on both reins, my friend's daughter then did her show and didn't put a foot wrong, 3rd then did their show and only cantered on one rein. The judge after the shows left the line up as it was - when questioned why the line up had not been changed due to mistakes the reply - as canter was optional she wasn't bothered that the pony who won went round on the wrong leg - but IMO if you do chose to canter it should be on the correct leg! Judge also said she would understand if it was at affiliated level!! There are only 4 of these shows throughout the country. I know people at local level that have lost any placing because of this! My point being why pay an instructor for private lessons to make sure everything is done correctly etc and then go to a show do it correctly and get marked down for it??!!!!! The pony that won was very nice etc but made a mistake!! Sometimes I really don't understand Judges.

[snoopyp]

to clarify the amatuer showing society rules, you can you qualify and compete at hoys or rihs but if you are placed in the top 6 you can no longer do ass. i think if you are good enough to be placed in the top 6 you are good enough to play with the big boys.
hope that helps

[angry guest]

???i dont think its that you dont understand judges , i think in some cases unfortunatley judges dont understand what thet are doing

[wendbarry1]

We have a pony that can do county. That doesn't mean that we travel the country doing all the county shows! Why shouldn't we compete at local level, we pay our entry fees like everyone else, we don't allways win at local! we take our chances like everyone else, we mostly get county judges at local shows, so why not go??

[guest star]

:'(thats what i was saying at the start we should be firstly able to compete at local level and not have this againest you if you go further a field and secondly what annoyed me most was a manager of an equine organasation judging her own horses and placing 4 of her horses in the first 6 !!! what happened to fair judging ??

[new one]

fair judging !!!! come on enter the real world

[fallonstickledpink]

i do agree , im only 13 and i ride at local shows and HOYS qualifiers , but anywhere i go the judging is different. sometimes its simply the judges opinion and at other times the judge knows the rider (mainly in qualifiers). judging is never usually fair, but i do think that is a bit ott. its happend to me in a very local show, the judge trys to be fair to people who never get the rosette but its fake really.

[wendbarry1]

Didn't you know life's not fair?? You're too young to realise yet but don't stop showing because of it. Good luck in you're qualifiers.xx

[doodah]

i do loads of those little county shows as we are in north yorks so i think i should support them. and last yearin a ridden sp, we put a shp in just for fun but he was the best example there even still.

we got pulled in top, did nothing wrong but got dropped to 4th.
1st went really tense and it wasn't even a baby so no excuse
2nd was on her mobile in line up
3rd wrong leg 3 times and took off.

i wasn't too bothered but my mum got her friend, who was judging m&Ms in next ring to ask our judge why.

judge came over to us and said if i had a problem then i should stop robbing rosettes off little children (it was a 15-17 year old class) and stay at county level as it wasn't fair and that i needed knocking down a peg or two

i wasn't complaining.

i think sometimes local judges put county level ponies own out of spite just because they can

my apologies to any judges who judge fairly, you are doing a great job and we need more people like you

[hotgossiper]

I have shown successfully at county and local level for many years. I have seen lovely ponies dumped at local level over the years for a variety of reasons.
1. Because they can.
2. Because they don't know 1 end of a pony from the other.
3. Because they are under the impression that anything with no ribs showing is too fat.
4. Because they don't believe a quality well turned out animal should be there for whatever reason.

I like to support my local shows because they are a good schooling ground for young/novice ponies. However we take poor judging philosophically as we enjoy showing, and the good days more than make up for the bad.

[flashthecash]

Ohh dear Well as a RC supporter & long standing committee member (untill last month) Our RC encourages anybody to attend our shows. It ups the anti, for those local riders that show and win month after month. We welcome anybody to show at our RC and 99% of the time do use panel judges. It's not always the county lot that win... the locals can give them a run for their money

I do have a good nag.. and went to our local RC last month.. the judge, who was a panel judge made the comment.. the standard of horses was low .. all the nags forward where very well turned out and to their class.. in my class there were 3 previous HOYS placed nags in it. Sometime you wonder way you bother.. but the advise I was given, over 30 years ago was... "another day. another judge".. and thats how I look at it.

My nag is not every judges cup of tea.. and don't expect him to be I love him and thats all that matters

[wendbarry1]

I love mine too or wouldn't show them, sometimes it's a case of "Judge should've gone to specsavers!"

[wendbarry1]

Our local pony club (my daughter is a member) held their show a week ago. My daughter took her show pony in the pony club pony class. There were 8 in the class, she came second, judge commented that it was nice to see a show pony jumping. Yes she jumps, but the best bit was the kid that won was sooooo proud that she'd beaten a show pony! It was fab to see that the kid was so happy, my kid went over and said well done and it has certainly boosted the confidence of the winner. Sooooo, why can't we go to local shows, as one comment says it will raise the anti!

[identified]

Wendberry1.......... I would like to know which COUNTY shows you've attended, done well in or even won?? or please enlighten me of when you qualified for anything of significant importance?? No offense but you cannot call the Shows you attend in your area COUNTY when they are badly supported Agricultural shows with rarely more than 3 or 4 in a class. Any innocent person reading your posts where you offer your advice and knowledge would think you were someone of high calibre that knows it all, perhaps you should try the real COUNTY show circuit with the big boys and then I'd be able to justify your posts and also take your advice on board.

PS. was the moaners area on this site set up especially for you? lighten up and enjoy. Life is too short.

[nat3265]

Identified your comments are not necessary

[Milliesmum]

Identified, maybe you would like to make yourself a member of this site, then instead of anonymous sniping at one of our members, you may be able to share the benefit of your obviously considerable knowledge and experience?

What shows a person chooses to attend, and how and where on this site the members post, providing they are within the rules, is no one elses business, certainly not that of an anonymous guest.

And how can you say 'no offence', when that is plainly your intention?

Wendbarry1, you do not have to justify yourself to this person.

[ellieraga]

only just become a member as didnt want to appear to be hiding behind a guest name !!! but would like to stress that i do not think that the comments made be identified are justified , how rude and why so personal, the person you are insulting does not deserve that at all ,there ponies look lovely, why not register and place a picture of yours on here and see if you would like the abuse !!!!!!!!!!!!

[wendbarry1]

Jun 25, 2008 12:25:12 GMT @identified said:

Wendberry1.......... I would like to know which COUNTY shows you've attended, done well in or even won?? or please enlighten me of when you qualified for anything of significant importance?? No offense but you cannot call the Shows you attend in your area COUNTY when they are badly supported Agricultural shows with rarely more than 3 or 4 in a class. Any innocent person reading your posts where you offer your advice and knowledge would think you were someone of high calibre that knows it all, perhaps you should try the real COUNTY show circuit with the big boys and then I'd be able to justify your posts and also take your advice on board.


Identified
SORRY MY MISTAKE DIDN'T REALISE ROYAL AND ROYAL WELSH AND UNITED COUNTIES NOT COUNTY! BEATEN YOU HAVE I??? YOU SEEM TO SPEND A LOT OF TIME WATCHING WHAT I DO! HAVE COURAGE OF YOUR WORDS AND ITENTIFY YOURSELF! BY WATCHING WHAT I DO OR SAY TELLS ME YOUR THE ONE WHO NEEDS A LIFE. Who's the saddest now??

[overatdaknee]

Have to say Wendandbarry, really like the piccy of the bright bay pony on the bottom of your posts- can you post a piccy of the rest of it?

[wendbarry1]

Identified- sorry forgot to mention, do you want a list of all my results including the ones at the lowly Bsps and Nps champs??

[wendbarry1]

Overatdaknee- thanks for nice comments about pony, but, I daren't post a pic cos someone will think I'm "above my station in life" or worse If I don't post it they'll think I have something to hide about pony! Having said that, she's nice for a "lowly local pony" don't you think??