CHAPS

[fmm]

I must admit that I think you are right - having a coloured show cob and doing a fair few HOYS qualifiers, it is generally the show cobs that take the first few places each time.

Interestingly, the show cob lot originally didn;t want to be with the hairies as it was so easy for the hairies to hide less than perfect limb. But the hairies are not BUILT to give the same ride as a good show cob. So of course, when the judge rides, they tend to prefer the show cob types. When the smaller class is done on an individual show, it appears to be much fairer.

At least we HAVE coloured classes at HOYS - and I can't see there being any more time given to completing the classes. Would it be fairer to put the hairies all together and for them ALL to do individual shows?

[quinny]

Just a thought but I think maybe the unders height should go up to say 15HHS. Or like you say have them do a individual show..

What about if they had separate qualifier classes like they did last year at the champs and then for HOYS bring them together.. Or is that a really crap idea?

Alot of people have said about the cobs should be in with the plaited I agree but then I'm sure the show cob riders may not...

[cayo]

we hate this too they are so different and should have a seperate class

[bomerang]

CHAPS need to start taking on-board peoples concerns and complaints. there is no way hairies should be in with the show cobs, hairies should have their own over and under classes and show cobs their own class and so should plaited. people will vote with their feet, their are plenty more showing societies starting up. i for one will not touch them with a barge pole. and no i dont have a hairy. just someone who is now completley disillusioned with CHAPS

[hs]

Not all sounds like a good idea - look at the M&M they have seperate classes for the qualifiers and then all the breeds judged together at HOYS.

Aug 2, 2011 21:39:26 GMT @quinny said:

What about if they had separate qualifier classes like they did last year at the champs and then for HOYS bring them together.. Or is that a really crap idea?

[bea]

I think only one hairy horse has qualified for hoys so far, the rest are show cobs.

At Chaps champs last year they split the hoys qualifier for large hairys and show cobs, they are NOT doing it this year!

[arrogorn]

Totally agree about splitting the hairy horses and show cobs but you would then need a separate class at hoys. This will then be down to Grandstand media and not chaps. Yes Chaps would have to apply for a class but if the members dont ask via the appropraite means instead of coming on here and slagging the society off it wont happen.

[quinny]

Sorry if you think I am slagging CHAPS off I did not mean to sound that way.. I was just having a whinge..

Could you please tell me the correct way to put my point across to CHAPS?

[arrogorn]

Noddy you were making a point and a very valid one, but there are others that slag the societies off but dont go about putting their ideas, feelings, thoughts down on paper and submit them to the appropriate channels.

any member can attend the AGM which has been very poorly attended in recent years, and bring up anything in any other business.

The best way to put ideas forward is to put it in writting and submit it to a council member. If Chaps dont know what their members arent happy about they cant change, or attempt to change.

Personally I feel the hairies dont get a look in, and if I was a hairy owner I wouldnt want to be spending my entries fees week in week out to be up against the flashy show cobs.

[quinny]

Thankyou Arrogorn

[sarahp]

I don't have anything to do with coloureds, but I'd love to know what the conformational differences are between hairies and show cobs, apart form the obvious one of the hairdressing styles?

[Dipsy]

Its quite frustrating too that we have to pay for a HOYS card and then pay the HOYS levy too, as it seems that we are getting charged twice as this isn't done in the M&M classes :-(
Seems like its yet another way to fleece the money from us !

[bomerang]

noddy the slagging off bit cud have been aimed at me! im really not bothered though. if i want to voice my opinion then i will thanks (especially in the MOANERS area). and people shouldnt assume that correct channels havent already been tried!
moan over xxxxxxxxxxxxx

[notpicky]

I can see everyone's point of view but chaps can only allocate qualifiers as advised by grandstand media! It wasn't so long ago that coloureds didn't have any classes at hoys or rihs at all!

And on another note is there enough hoys standard large trads out and about to fill a class out there!? I know there are a good few out there but i have never seen that many forward in the qualifiers but perhaps the class being split would encourage more to come forward?

If any of the classes were to be split I would say the small hairy class needs to be!! Then again I would say that as I own 4!!

[cayo]

I have tried talking to chaps about issues i had and it just fell on deaf ears waste of time

[stormyskies]

I can definitely see your point of view, but I don't think the solution is to have the hairy pony height as up to 15hh. As it is the hairy pony class is the biggest and to add more would just make it ridiculous.

There is the same problem in the nct pony class with the developing trend of native coloureds when you have a solid true to type traditional with long mane and feather up against a flashy big moving native with little feather and a neat pulled mane, it has to be hard to judge both types. That said, unlike the horse class a fair mix seem to get through to HOYS.

I think chaps have their hands tied as arrogorn says, as it's up to grandstand media really. The only thing chaps could do would be to spilt the qualifiers throughout the year to give half as show and half as hairy. But I can't really see that working either as not picky makes a valid point in that the majority of horses forward for that class are cobs.would there be enough hairy horses to fill a HOYS class?

[fmm]

Aug 3, 2011 11:57:25 GMT sarahp said:

I don't have anything to do with coloureds, but I'd love to know what the conformational differences are between hairies and show cobs, apart form the obvious one of the hairdressing styles?

I am absolutely not a font of knowledge for coloureds, but generally, show cobs are butty with no knee action, and traditionals were more the working horses with longer backs and higher knee action.

[sarahp]

Thanks.

[lils]

Aug 3, 2011 19:47:28 GMT @quinny said:

I for one would enter more classes if I thought I would be in with half a chance..

Can somebody please explain why the plaiteds under class is set at 15hh?
Yes I agree splitting the the qualifier classes would be a good idea.

Next year I dont think I will rejoin if nothing can be done, as I am fed up of throwing money away..
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at a guess, as Hunter ponies go up to 15hh, and to keep the classes true to type?

I qualified a Hairy pony in 2001 when the classes were still ponies and horses in together, thank goodness thats still not the case!

[presley]

I would very probably re-join the society and start showing my boy again, but as has been said,..i'd be in with all the show cobs in the overs class, so i'm wasting my time and my money really aren't i.., It is a shame because i enjoyed the showring and always had lovely comments and feedback from the judges,.. it's just that in reality, my little traddy (he's in the overs class as he's bigger than 14.2hh, although watching some at GYS this year, they looked bigger than my lad!!!,.. but that's another story isn't it!),.. he doesn't stand a change really does he!, but there you go..

Interesting though,.. and i keep remembering what John Gilliver said to me when he was measured for his LHC,.. he said to me that "he was a lovely little horse and if he gave me a good ride, i'd see no reason for him to be stood up the line and in the ribbons". Somehow though, i'm not sure i can rely on his very positive comments and justify laying out a copious amount of society/entry fees to see what would happen in the ring!

[kidside]

Do CHAPS Champs not have seperate HOYS classes again this year, last year they had a show cob class & large trad/native class? so 2 large ones will go through, I think the qual's follow trends as when my 15hds went to HOYS it was very much a 15hds class and the little ones didnt seem to get a look in, I would say opposite now it seems the small NNP seems to be ruling?

[hooty2001uk]

Aug 6, 2011 20:29:22 GMT kidside said:

Do CHAPS Champs not have seperate HOYS classes again this year, last year they had a show cob class & large trad/native class? so 2 large ones will go through, I think the qual's follow trends as when my 15hds went to HOYS it was very much a 15hds class and the little ones didnt seem to get a look in, I would say opposite now it seems the small NNP seems to be ruling?

According to the CHAPS Champs schedule this year they are not being split..... Back to been in with the show cobs!

[Guestless]

Keep campaigning guys, but try to do it through the appropriate channels. It's taken a while but this year the Highlands are having a certain number of qualifers separate from the Dales & Fells and they will also have their own class at the final. Fingers crossed the Highland class will be confirmed next year but we'll have to wait and see. Those of us with hairy M&Ms also feel hard done by as the Welshies all have their own class and our 3 hairy breeds were up to this year all together in a usually HUGE class.

[vanquish]

Having an NNP, I can't really relate to the above posts, however I am thinking of purchasing a native within the next 6 months... I think I'll try and stay under 148cms judging by this!!

Whilst on a CHAPS related moan, I am going to have a moan about the fact that they cancelled the SW regional show 'due to lack of entries'... before the closing date!!??

[kidside]

NCTP classes are HUGE by far the biggest

[buriedalive]

Isn't this the joys of showing and the judges preference?..... This is why I don't show!

[jinja]

we have 2 coloureds, a native pony and a non native pony, both of these classes are very large when they are HOYS qualifiers. The large hairy class usually has the least entries at most shows so splitting them would not be feasable. HOYS will not allow more than 4 coloured classes so it is not CHAPS fault. Sadly HOYS rule everyone and until they alow more classes we will have to make do.
On a good note Jasper Bailey always did very well and he won lots of HOYS qualifiers over the years the show cobs never stopped him and he gave a superb ride so it is not impossible to do.

[cayo]

God i hate cobs being in the hairy class why oh why are they not seperate a show cob is so different from a hairy and as has already been said the cobs are almost always above the hairys in the line up , i find most judges prefer them ,having just returned from equifest i can not understand the ammount of what apeared to be hunter types hogged out for these coloured classes they were to tall to light to be cobs whats all that about do we need to cob ours out at least hes the right height and build but def not the right action for a show cob so no wont bother lol