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Post by welsh on Jun 12, 2007 15:17:40 GMT
can i ask but does anyone on here actually show welsh cobs inhand?
id rather see a flashy cob then one thats going around the ring half asleep, and if it takes a quick flick of a bag or rattle of a bottle then so be it, agree that whooping and shouting at the ringside does draw unwanted attention but isnt it really up to the handler to say something if he isnt happy as its him thats got to control the pony.
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Post by I hate bags on Jun 12, 2007 15:34:53 GMT
yes in response to your question I do show Welshies, but cannot see the point of winding up an already excitable breed, if you need to chase it with a paper bag then it can't be enjoying itself then can it??? No it isn't just a few bottles being shuck or the odd plastic bag it has got pathetic!! How then if it is so acceptable have Brightwells banned bags from the sale rings??
My fell was scared at the weekend by such actions to the point he tried to jump into the ring over the ropes, he was a pain in the backside during his class because he didn't want to go near the rope again.
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Post by nappies on Jun 12, 2007 16:31:25 GMT
In reply to guest 'what would you do' I'd like to point out the obvious - Lionheart is not the Royal Welsh Showground- and I don't expect there were many senior stallions in the class.
Also anyone who goes to rwas knows that Wed is stallion day- people go just to watch. So everyone is prepared- hardly the same?
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Post by cracker on Jun 12, 2007 16:53:07 GMT
I agree with all comments against winding up welsh cobs. I was at a certain county show last year with my two year old dartmoor, and in the ring next to the sec C or Ds I cannot remember which, but they were winding them up and I am partially disabled and how I ever held on to my pony I shall never know as he was frightened to death. Why cannot the shows put the welsh miles away from everyone and ban all this pallaver(sp) in mixed M&M classes.
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Post by welsh abcd on Jun 12, 2007 22:03:19 GMT
I can see both sides of the arguement.
If a cob is well produced - i.e. is fit, they don't need all the outside influences.
I watched Llanarth Prince of Wales at Midland Counties - he was beautifully balanced and moved like a dream. He didn't go at 100 miles an hr and was as near as possible to the bread standard - wich incidently dosen't mention that a cob should trot as fast a possible. THERE WERE NO PLASTIC BAGS.
Yes - welsh judges look for presence, the 'fire in the belly' but I don't think its fair when in a mixed class with other breads.
However our none welshies don't really flip when they see or hear the cobs - its only the same as flapping flags, screaming kids or ignorent riders running up their bums. If they do, we put it down to education - all part of going to shows.
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Post by welsh abcd on Jun 12, 2007 22:07:02 GMT
Sorry - I mean 'breed standard'
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Post by Welsh Con Rider on Jun 12, 2007 23:46:39 GMT
As mentioned in earlier post - I show Welsh Cobs both in hand and ridden, and have been involved with welsh cobs on and off for 20+ years.
If a horse is correctly schooled and trained (be it ridden or in hand) there should be no need to use fear to get what you want !!
And if a pony has true presence and charisma, all it needs to do is walk into the ring and you can tell. You dont need to make it trot at 100mph to make the judge notice it. A trot up can be both forward going and showing off the paces of the animal - and at the same time well mannered.
Did you watch the stallion class at the RWAS last year ??
Thorndon Park Jet, the winning stallion, was shown by a young woman. And he was impeccably behave and not in the least wound up in this way. He stood still all during the prize giving and photos, but then also showed off his paces when asked to in a calm manner.
So that proves you dont have to have a welsh cob wound up with bags or rattles - even to win at the royal welsh !!!
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Post by Guestless on Jun 13, 2007 9:01:59 GMT
id rather see a flashy cob then one thats going around the ring half asleep, and if it takes a quick flick of a bag or rattle of a bottle then so be it, agree that whooping and shouting at the ringside does draw unwanted attention but isnt it really up to the handler to say something if he isnt happy as its him thats got to control the pony. If that's the way you want to show your welshies then that's your choice - seems a bit sad that you need to scare them to make them move in a flashy manner though! I think if welsh handlers (and their entourage) wish to show their ponies in such a manner, then they should hold their own shows! Each breed should be shown in a manner to show it off but NOT at the expense of upsetting other competitors. The Dales pony is traditionally shown in ridden classes in walk and trot only - that doesn't mean they don't need to canter in mixed M&M classes.
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Post by Stacey on Jun 13, 2007 9:36:08 GMT
I think some of these comments are becoming a bit too general, there are only a small number who let the side down but it seems that the rest of us are being branded too. If we were to really have a discussion about it, I think we'd need to go into the real reasons why it is done, maybe some judges like to see the cobs go round with their tails in the air? Do handlers feel pressurised or is it just a case of they pay their money so they want the best chance of winning?
I agree that Prince of Wales is a nice cob, but at South of England where he won and was Champion there was outside interference from Len, and before anyone disputes me I know because I was standing next to him!
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Post by Guestless on Jun 13, 2007 10:17:25 GMT
I think some of these comments are becoming a bit too general, there are only a small number who let the side down but it seems that the rest of us are being branded too. I'm not sure why you think my comment is too general stacey - I said "if" so those who don't wish to show that way are obviously not included.
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