3 year old pony placed ridden
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Post by 3 year old pony placed ridden on Oct 16, 2011 14:16:03 GMT
Pumphill Pantheon « Thread Started on Apr 2, 2010, 3:50pm » -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pumphill Pantheon 2yr old Dartmoor colt,to make top class open ridden pony,could geld if required open to sensible offers,due to current circumstances. advert on here as shown above so WHY was this pony shown at Northwest Champs in a ridden class....it is only 3... Read more: horsegossip.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=mmnonewelsh&thread=44752&page=1#ixzz1axDSemEU
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kayjayem
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 16, 2011 14:22:44 GMT
Maybe a typing error in the advert?
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Post by evidence on Oct 16, 2011 14:31:17 GMT
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Post by jebediah on Oct 16, 2011 14:35:01 GMT
Passport Pumphill Pantheon Date of Birth 10-May-2008 Gender Male Colour Light Bay (Bright Bay.) Height Sire Name Beaconsfield Foxtail Dam Name Hisley Peeress Breed DARTMOOR Submitted by Dartmoor Pony Society Studbook/Section Registered Colt Birth Country United Kingdom
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 14:39:21 GMT
Ask the show secretary why the entry was accepted
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 16, 2011 14:48:06 GMT
To be fair it's not the secretary's job to check the pony's age, ask the person who entered it.
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Post by snowflake on Oct 16, 2011 14:54:51 GMT
Ring the people up & ask??
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 14:56:23 GMT
To be fair it's not the secretary's job to check the pony's age, ask the person who entered it. aw right, as a show secretary I do -- one job less.
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Post by fayeandash on Oct 16, 2011 15:15:32 GMT
I think it would have been a better idea to ask the sectretary first, maybe they were unaware of the ponies age i know it was extremly busy there yesterday so maybe they didn't have time to inspect all the entries.
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3 year old pony placed ridden
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Post by 3 year old pony placed ridden on Oct 16, 2011 15:17:51 GMT
I noticed as i wondered what the breeding was. did not go to show, so doesn't affect me, but feel sorry for the pony as should still be at home growing
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 16, 2011 15:32:34 GMT
To be fair it's not the secretary's job to check the pony's age, ask the person who entered it. aw right, as a show secretary I do -- one job less. Do you seriously refer to the stud book listing for every single entry in every ridden class to check the age???
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2011 15:35:31 GMT
aw right, as a show secretary I do -- one job less. Do you seriously refer to the stud book listing for every single entry in every ridden class to check the age??? I am sec of the northern dartmoor breed show so I have to - it then goes to the dps sec who double checks - this all happens before show day, so any wrong entries can be contacted.
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Post by delbel on Oct 16, 2011 15:38:40 GMT
yeah of course it should not be shown under saddle, at the end of the day, it was schooled so well it came reserve champion in its class!! that doesn't come without hard work!! a friend of mine sent her 15 sh type to a 'so called' friend to break and show at 3 yr old, she did so much with it at 3 yr old, jumping, hacking, schooling, it came back in a right state with splints, therapins, spavins. she rested her for 2 years then she came back into work was vetted and the vet failed her and said she had legs like a 15yr old horse. so this is a prime example of what overworking a 3yr old does!!
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Post by bow1607 on Oct 16, 2011 16:34:54 GMT
yeah of course it should, at the end of the day, it was schooled so well it came reserve champion in its class!! that doesn't come without hard work!! a friend of mine sent her 15 sh type to a 'so called' friend to break and show at 3 yr old, she did so much with it at 3 yr old, jumping, hacking, schooling, it came back in a right state with splints, therapins, spavins. she rested her for 2 years then she came back into work was vetted and the vet failed her and said she had legs like a 15yr old horse. so this is a prime example of what overworking a 3yr old does!! You shouldn't show a horse in ANY ridden class untill it is 4...... however well schooled it may be! Whats with all the rush with a youngster, let it grow and mature!
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Post by taxpayer on Oct 16, 2011 16:42:44 GMT
Only one person to blame........................
the owner/jockey
NOT the secretary!
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 16, 2011 16:47:43 GMT
Do you seriously refer to the stud book listing for every single entry in every ridden class to check the age??? I am sec of the northern dartmoor breed show so I have to - it then goes to the dps sec who double checks - this all happens before show day, so any wrong entries can be contacted. With respect that is different all together to the show being referred to which will have entries from many different breeds studbooks(and probably entries on the day) and to check the age of every pony would be a mammoth task. You would expect to be able to rely on the exhibitors integrity on this one!
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Post by icarus on Oct 16, 2011 16:53:10 GMT
Do you seriously refer to the stud book listing for every single entry in every ridden class to check the age??? I am sec of the northern dartmoor breed show so I have to - it then goes to the dps sec who double checks - this all happens before show day, so any wrong entries can be contacted. Some it would seem do their jobs properly! The Dartmoor community is pretty close knit, Im surprised nobody spotted it before or during the show.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Oct 16, 2011 16:54:23 GMT
I wont check the age of entries, but the ages for classes are clearly stated in the schedule, with 900 entries, they get sent to the societies for checking, not a secretaries job, its up to a competitor to obey the class wording .......
You get some confusion at times between 3 and 4 and when the horse/ pony attains their birthdate, we go on the 1st January as do most shows but you do get the odd person that cannot understand this, ie on the 1st Jan your horse attains another year not on its actual birthday.
i hope in this case its a typo .............
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Post by mistermercury on Oct 16, 2011 17:08:01 GMT
It can't be a mistake if it has openly been shown in youngstock classes all season. And was the rider an un knowledgeable novice?
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Post by frozzy on Oct 16, 2011 17:15:00 GMT
I can recall a lot of years ago now that it was allowed to show ponies in the back end of their three year old year. Obviously it was years ago and was stopped but I think I am right in saying BSPS allowed it? Never the less what was once is no longer and the onus is on the owner to ensure the validity of the entry whether it was well schooled or otherwise. A three year old is a baby and should allowed to be a baby. We dont always break three year olds as routine. It depends very much on the maturity of the youngster. Some I have known (especially Welsh D's that have not been "pumped") that are not ready for breaking till 6!!
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Post by kayjayem on Oct 16, 2011 17:25:43 GMT
You're right Frozzy years ago BSPS allowed 3yr olds after 31st of July I think it was
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Post by bow1607 on Oct 16, 2011 17:30:06 GMT
I can't understand how this wasn't picked up at the show......... as stated previously by icarus, then the complaint should have been made to the secretary who could have asked for the passport so this could be checked, and you have to have your passport with you anyway, unless there isn't a rule stating that all ridden horses have to be 4???
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Post by come off it on Oct 16, 2011 17:41:20 GMT
This is nothing less than a personal attack on a persons character. Sorry this is done a lot. I know a few producers that take animals on the back end of their 3rd year out to give them a taster. Also gives you an idea of what to work on over winter for their novice year. I back and hack out a lot to get them strength and balance. I expect them to be fit enough to handle a show. They are not performing passage or jumping a course of fences.
This thread needs deleting. It is personal and vindictive.
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Post by stormyskies on Oct 16, 2011 17:43:40 GMT
There is a pony for.sale on here in the coloured section, 3 years and has had a successful season under saddle! I queried it and they said their local shows allow 3 yr olds in!
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Post by mushypeas on Oct 16, 2011 17:45:02 GMT
Notice Dagcols child was also riding this pony. Not really nice for a 10 year old child to read this. I would take it up privately.
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Post by icarus on Oct 16, 2011 17:55:00 GMT
This is nothing less than a personal attack on a persons character. Sorry this is done a lot. I know a few producers that take animals on the back end of their 3rd year out to give them a taster. Also gives you an idea of what to work on over winter for their novice year. I back and hack out a lot to get them strength and balance. I expect them to be fit enough to handle a show. They are not performing passage or jumping a course of fences. This thread needs deleting. It is personal and vindictive. I dont see how this is a personal attack at all, shame there is a child involved but the adult entered the pony in the show.....
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Post by mellymoo on Oct 16, 2011 18:00:59 GMT
If the rules of the show state that ridden ponies must be 4 years old, then the pony should not have been entered. End of. I have to take my horse's passport to local shows to prove he is a veteran, so perhaps all horses should have to do this.
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Post by lils on Oct 16, 2011 18:19:14 GMT
maybe as it is a Pumphill pony people are bringing it up? the local Region of the Welsh show have a show in November which has a ridden class Specifically for 3 year olds
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Post by rules on Oct 16, 2011 18:26:37 GMT
I don't think under these circumstances that it matters who bred/owns/competes the pony in question.
Fair enough if the rules state that 3yo's are eligible (whether you morally agree with 3yo's being competed or not) but if the rules state that animals are to be aged 4 or above then that's the rules.
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Post by delbel on Oct 16, 2011 19:48:17 GMT
bow1607 my comment was in response to the comment about a 3 yr old it is still growing, i agree it should not be competing in ridden showing classes at 3 yr old, look what happened to my friends horse, we don't believe in lunging them too young either. just wanted to clarify.
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