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Post by Have to say on Jun 27, 2007 8:07:15 GMT
After all the comments on some highly dubious horse judging and examples of how to go badly and still win, it was a pleasure to watch the hack judging at the HOYS qualifier, NPS Area 15 last Saturday. She lifted her 4th pull to win after it had given a foot perfect performance and obviously a great ride, how refreshing too was the riders reaction to her win. It was lovely to see someone so delighted, congratulations to all concerned and madam judge- you have my respect!
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Post by busybusy on Jun 27, 2007 9:05:07 GMT
The unexpected win is always a delight...especially when it is a coveted qualifier. Well done that judge, that horse and all connections!!!
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Post by clobo121082 on Jun 27, 2007 9:05:16 GMT
I would like to agree whole heartdly with what is said above to. So nice to see a 'great show and ride' rewarded in a hack class and not just moved up 1 place! What great judging, i should think this judge will have people rushing to go under her again and emily again congratulations on your very well deserved and long time coming success!!! go enjoy it x
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Post by name and shame on Jun 27, 2007 9:46:47 GMT
Everyone names and shames the bad judges so name and celebrate this good one so us show organisers can put 'try first' next to their name on the judges list. Well done to the winner
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Post by busybusy on Jun 27, 2007 9:59:18 GMT
My daughter has done a few of the "adult" classes this year. Everytime our horse has given what looks like a foot perfect ride to the judge (without exception all have made a positive comment on how well schooled he is/how big he rides etc. We have had some good placings and would have been very happy ....except we have been beaten by a horse that has bucked with the judge, and on another occasion a horse that was very reluctant to leave the line up along with some other general indiscretions. In all these cases the horses were ridden by professional riders. It is not as if our animal is sub standard and is definately the correct stamp...just a little smaller than some in the ring! My concern is here we have a rider willing to give these "grown up" classes a go and witnessing blatent favouritism. Come on judges, reward good manners and encourage these non professional younger people too. At this rate she will give up on showing as she feels these classes have been judged before she enters the ring.
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Post by doldy on Jun 27, 2007 10:03:55 GMT
What was the name of the winner?
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Post by Guest123 on Jun 27, 2007 10:05:33 GMT
I agree, it was such a pleasure to watch this class and I think the judge was Miss S Kenny. Finally a judge who did the job correctly!!! Well done to Emily, your horse went beautifully and deserved to win
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Post by HACK Judging on Jun 27, 2007 10:18:44 GMT
Iit was Milliemeter - Emily Curtis. Well done guys - you really did deserve it. Laura x
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Post by doldy on Jun 27, 2007 10:35:06 GMT
Brilliant News, well done Emily
Claire x
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Post by exracehorsemad on Jun 27, 2007 10:46:48 GMT
well done emily and milli bet shes over the moon-hacks confuse me my lads been a jem all season but always beat by pros with naughty hacks! milli is always well behaved and doesnt get the placeings she deserves so go girl!
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Post by busybusy on Jun 27, 2007 10:59:43 GMT
Not just hacks exracehorse mad...happens in riding horse too. We reckon to get a 4th or 5th we have to be utterley amazing. In a good class recently we were delighted with 4th after being foot perfect wheras a certain pro's horse managed 2nd in the same class after having gone badly in the go round and giving a buck (a proper one) with the judge on board. Not on is it? Without all us amateurs there wouldn't be enough revenue in this game. Please judges, be fair - we don't mind being beaten by a good pro on a good horse that goes well - but dislike being down the line from a good pro on a mediocre horse, or one with poor manners. We are sick of "making up numbers"!
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Post by guest123 on Jun 27, 2007 11:32:31 GMT
I totally agree with you. Come on Judges don’t be afraid to make the right decisions.
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Post by intermediate fan on Jun 27, 2007 12:57:52 GMT
That is why i will not go into these classes it is my last year in intermediate classes and i am gutted what do i do now? mum has written to the BSPS and asked for open SRT classes without an age restriction she has even offered to sponsor such classes to get them off the ground, a lot of intermediate riders do not wish to join the hack and riding horse classes due to facey judging the BSPS have put on a trial class at the summer champs to see how it goes for anyone like minded. Very well done to Emily and the judge who was brave enough to judge fairly we need more of you.
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Post by clobo121082 on Jun 27, 2007 13:11:29 GMT
oh that sounds good, this year at bsps? i will make sure i support it x
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Post by busybusy on Jun 27, 2007 13:24:47 GMT
Many BSPS area shows are running "associate" hack/cob and riding horse classes. Not sure what membership is required to enter. I have noticed that Area 2A are running these classes at their summer show on July 8th.
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Post by Grown Up on Jun 28, 2007 4:28:01 GMT
That is why i will not go into these classes it is my last year in intermediate classes and i am gutted what do i do now? mum has written to the BSPS and asked for open SRT classes without an age restriction she has even offered to sponsor such classes to get them off the ground, a lot of intermediate riders do not wish to join the hack and riding horse classes due to facey judging the BSPS have put on a trial class at the summer champs to see how it goes for anyone like minded. Very well done to Emily and the judge who was brave enough to judge fairly we need more of you. Be brave! We went straight from ponies into Open H,C & RH sections and worked our way up the line. The professionals were on the whole extremely supportive and congratulated us when we did well. There is nothing more satisfying than having a renowned ride judge leap off your animal after the ride and say "I can't fault that". Have a go. It's well worth the effort. Winning becomes even more thrilling.
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Post by intermediate fan on Jun 28, 2007 6:20:52 GMT
Sorry do not want to turn this thread into a debate about intermediates versus hacks etc its all been said before i only commented because of the amount of shock and praise for Emily and her horse for actually winning a hack class you only have to read the above posts to know we are at a huge disadvantage and i will NOT do it unless the judging is fair every week it will not happen in my lifetime
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Post by Hack Fan on Jun 28, 2007 7:34:25 GMT
This is also my last year in Intermediates and having competed in 'adult', mainly hack, classes since I was 15 I have found the judging far more fair than any of the 'childs' classes. Most judges I have come across, if the horse rides well then they are placed accordingly!
The decision as to what gives a good ride is solely down to the judge on that day and what one judge deems to be a good ride may not be for another judge.
I agree there are some 'facey' hack judges out there but it is just a case of recognising those judges and not competing under them!
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Post by intermediate fan on Jun 28, 2007 8:15:02 GMT
well done, are you home produced and at what level have you won and also how do you explain why all the other people who do these classes think it is very facey most of the time
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Post by interested on Jun 28, 2007 12:47:25 GMT
With hack judging only the ride judge would be qualified to give a verdict on the ride any particular horse has given - it may look good from the ringside but only the judge know what it feels like!
A good jockey can cover a lot a faults and make something look good but when you get on it may be that the contact is uneven, the walk, trot, canter uncomfortable, uneven bend - the list is endless (LOL) although having said that a lapse of manners (bucking, napping, etc) should be punished severely in my opinion.
Well done Emily - hope you enjoy your ride at HOYS
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Post by Hack Fan on Jun 28, 2007 13:00:43 GMT
Hi Intermediate, Yes I am home produced, always have been and always will be! Have competed since lead rein, at all levels but concentrated on showing since I was about 8! I will be very sad at PUK this year as I am out of Ints and wont be going again but on the same thought have never competed at the 'HORSE' championships so am looking forward to that for next year! And yes I agree that Hack judging can be facey, just as all judging in any sphere can be! I have had ponies/horses qualify for RIHS and HOYS. My last hack, who was sadly put to sleep after HOYS qualified in a very strong class, with a lot of producers standing below me under 2 very well known judges. OK I can only dream of being placed at HOYS, as it would take a very brave judge to place an unknown but one day I may have an OUTSTANDING hack that can't be overlooked because I am unknown For me the satisfaction comes from going to a show and seeing my horse perform almost as well for the judge as it does for me! Yes some days I may feel disappointed but thats what showing is all about, take the good with the bad and eventually your day comes! If a judge is unfair, cant ride or just doesn't like my horses then they are added to 'the book' and you just don't waste the time or the money competing under them! Sorry this rambles on a bit but I do feel very strongly about this as I find 'Horse' shows a lot more enjoyable and the judging far more transparent!
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Post by Rockstar on Jun 28, 2007 15:45:16 GMT
REALLY REALLY well done Emily & Millie, very good to see decent judging - Mille went really well and deserved to come up the line.
Good luck at HOYS!!
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