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Post by pootle on Jun 30, 2007 13:19:33 GMT
A girl on our yard is moaning that she has just taken a horse on loan and the owners won't leave her alone. They keep phoning, texting, and generally getting on her nerves.
Is this normal or is she being unreasonable? I would of thought its part and parcel of having a loan horse but never having done it I don't know. I just nod and try to look sympathetic.
What do you think?
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Post by xnumptyx on Jun 30, 2007 14:17:23 GMT
i think the owners are probaly just a bit 2 attached to the horse or something like that but then why would they let it go on loan. i duno but we loaned a horse we didnt contact them we just saw them at shows and everything went fine. but some cases are different then others.
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Post by proudwilliam on Jun 30, 2007 14:19:58 GMT
She must ask herself some questions ? Do the owners trust her. ? Did they not have enough time or finance to keep the horse themselves. The girl should be patient as the owners must learn to trust her and her capabilty to look after the horse. The owners probably are having a real bad time having to admitt that they cannot care and cope with the horse.
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Post by dl on Jul 1, 2007 21:14:46 GMT
ive recently part loaned one of my ponies and for the first month i didnt let them out of my sight. if the owners dont know you hten trust needs to be earnt and they can only do this by checkingup, these animals are our love & we would be gutted if they got into the wrong hands
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Post by paddywack on Jul 1, 2007 21:22:35 GMT
Wish I hadnt trusted the people who loaned my pony and had hassled them more. Never again.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2007 22:16:47 GMT
A very difficult one! Some loans work well but most- in my experience- end in disaster. I have a pony loaned at the moment, wouldn't dream of hassling them, just would genuinely like to know how they are, an odd pic wouldn't go amiss.
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Post by lolly on Jul 2, 2007 11:07:25 GMT
Last Year I loaned a SHP for my daughter, we did everything correct and to the T for the immenent arrival, even changed stables to a new wooden one, (the old stone one much cooler in summer but wasnt to their liking), insured pony etc etc. Bought rugs bridle and so on. We had tried the pony a couple of times and pony arrived, Lame, I immediately phoned the owners, recieved torrents of abuse, their daughter phoned my daughter accusing her of allsorts to which my daughter was in floods of tears, I had vet and phsio who both came to same conclusion that the pony had been lame for some while and probably buted when we tried it. Blood test proved theory. Pony delivered back. All in all one mega horrid situation, the sad thing was pony then advertised and sold off horsequest. All I would say is be careful when loaning, and make sure you have a proper loan agreement (there is one on the bhs website). Never ever ever ever again
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Post by pootle on Jul 3, 2007 5:49:24 GMT
Bloody hell thats awful - poor you !
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Post by paddywack on Jul 3, 2007 8:13:24 GMT
On the other hand, my pony was advertised on HQ for loan or sale. What seemed a nice family got her on loan. Pony had had a good season and went away in show condition. Pony has her little quirks (which one doesnt) and we were very honest. Was returned to us 5 months later a rickle of bones, huge muscle under neck, refusing to jump, bucking etc, her girth was up 5 holes! They said she had all sorts of things wrong with her and would never jump again. My vet checked her out and said nothing wrong that good feeding wouldnt cure. 2 months later we took her out and she won. She has qualified for M&M worker finals, so much for her never jumping again. My only consolation is they didnt buy her. On the other hand I have loaned ponies and treated them as my own, cannot understand others who dont. Neither wonder I am cynical
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Post by SHOW LIFE 07 on Jul 3, 2007 16:52:25 GMT
Personally i would never loan again!!!! I loaned one of my horses out to a lovely [ or so i thought] as we just did not have time as i had so many other show animals that particular season. He was bored of showing so went to dressage . We thought he was doing fine as they had sent results through and a picture - he wasnt turned out as we had for the showing but he looked happy. 2 yrs passed which was agreed and we did not hear from them for 8 months no matter how many times we rang and left messages. We recieved a phone call one night to say they had finished with him and would send him back at the end of the following month. My mother said that was fine but if they had finished with him she would rather have him back asap. another week and a half passed and then had a phone call to say they were setting off with him. 10pm on awinters night he pulled up it was pitch black and he went in the stable mum could see he didnt look himself but left him to settle. Next morning mum went to do them he had holses in his feet you could put your fingers in no main, poverty lines, his ribs were sticking out and prominent hip bones. It reduced my mother to tears he was also DOPED!!!!!!!!!!!!! It took him a few days to become himsef and now luckily is in full health.
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Post by armada on Jul 3, 2007 17:42:34 GMT
It very difficult when you loan a horse, you have to accept that the loaners may not do things as you would but if the horse is treated right and fed and happy in its life and job, and you are'nt able to keep it yourself, you either accept it, or sell it. there are however a lot of people out there who see a free horse and an opportunity, not always with the best intentions. I loaned my dressage horse out the first time to who I thought were good pony club people recommended by the DC of my old club, however, her intention was to use my horse as the pivot for the dressage, event and showjumping teams - at 21 years of age, I went to a one day event run by the pony club, and later that evening received a very abusive phone call accusing me of spying on them. I removed him immediately, whatever they were doing, they did'nt want me to see it. I loaned him again, had an agreement, and never saw him again, they decide my ringing once a month and a request to call and see him as a threat and had him shot!!! I dread to think of what they did to him whilst he was still alive. I said never again, but had an old polo pony who was'nt ready to fully retire, so loaned her to some people just up the road, she went to teach the kids how to play, what a breath of fresh air, I went whenever I wanted, they told us incessantly what she was doing and how the kids game was improving, and my mum went and gave the chldren lessons on her. One night I got the call to say she had suddenly dropped dead in the field from a very tearful father. I was advised to rush up immediately, "I know you would like to say goodbye, and Stuart (the local Huntsman) is on his way, thats what you want for her is'nt it?' The groom shoved a whiskey Mac in my face as soon as I got there and we sat in tears in the field with her until Stuart arrived. Those people really restored my faith in the fact that all loaners are'nt out for the taking. I think if you find you have an overprotective owner on your hands and you are good and honest, you wont object to phone calls texts etc, just tell them what they want to hear and keep them informed yourself of what their horse is up to, is not hard, try looking at it from their point of view.
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Post by rtk on Jul 3, 2007 18:01:23 GMT
You dont say how long she has had the horse. I wouldn't let mine go on loan but if I did I think I would spend the first few weeks checking up all the time and then gradually reduce it.
We would treat someone elses horse even better than our own (dont know how though) but not everyone is the same.
My friend who had the next field loaned a horse and it got injured the first day, I think that was the worst phone call she has ever had to make, it was a genuine accident and not her fault at all. But she informed the owners straight away and invited them up when the vet came. If everyone thought like this I doubt if loaning would be such a problem
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Post by poshpenny on Jul 3, 2007 21:52:00 GMT
I think your friend is being a bit unreasonable. That loan horse/pony is most likely a much loved member of the family who they miss very much. If she sent them regular emails with photos and reports of what he has been up to, I'm sure they'd really appreciate it and maybe wouldn't contact her so much. But you can see from the replies above that there are some very unpleasant people around who take on loans and then mess them up. My friend (who loaned me her little section A as my childrens first pony) has just loaned out her daughter's horse to a good friend of mine. She gets regular reports from the loanee and also I tell her how he is when I see him - she's very happy with that. I should also add that she is a great person to loan a horse from having done it myself for 2 years. She's become my good friend as a result of loaning that little section A who is now back with her in retirement which is proof that loans can work out really well with a bit of give and take on both sides.
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Post by pootle on Jul 4, 2007 5:49:45 GMT
Well these posts have certainly convinced me never to loan out anything, ever. I think she is being a bit defensive and she certainly does want something for nothing as she is skint..
She is experienced with horses and assumes everyone knows that, which they don't of course. I might just put another angle to her next time she starts with the poor me thing.
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Post by guest40 on Jul 4, 2007 7:48:11 GMT
We have a lovely 14.2 on loan and we are always in touch with her owners just to let them know their pride and joy is safe happy and in good health. They come and watch her at shows never interfere but take pleasure in watching my daughter have so much fun on her. I would always keep in touch with them as at the end of the day they have been kind enough to let us have a pony we could not afford to buy. So thank you to all you would be loaners of top class show ponies. xxxxx
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