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Post by kidside on Jun 11, 2012 20:14:14 GMT
Does it mean that if we know that we cant make that date, we can have our entries back then .....? I would also like this confirming
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Post by piper on Jun 11, 2012 20:48:23 GMT
Well that certainly provoked a reaction ! Thank you all of you who have taken the time to try and see the bigger picture. we only had 2 options of dates 20th 21st July which would have clashed with the RIs own championships or the 2nd of September, the last date for a HOYS qualifier. It does NOT clash with any other qualifiers on that date and is reasonably central for people travelling home from any of the other qualifiers further south. The position with CHAPS is unfortunate but not insurmountable, I am sure you won't be showing your animals all day every day at Arena UK and the stabling at Somerford is brilliant, so come over on Saturday evening. We have had an extremely stressful weekend trying to put on a show for our competitors and obviously there are still things to be discussed at committee, which cannot be done until next week. We had to rearrange quickly as the way things are going, even more shows will need to rearrange dates.We are a charity and are likely to have lost a great deal of money, what with cancelled trade stands, unused Marquees, skips, toilets, first aid, tannoy system and all the other things required to put on a show. Which will all have to be paid for again I didn't come on here to explain our actions as I believe we are acting in the best interests of our competitors .99.99 % of people have been very supportive and put self to one side but here is an example of why we do sometimes wonder why we bother. "Dear Pam, > As I have not heard from you I can only presume all is well for my entered classes on this Sunday. > No doubt you will realise that lots of prep has already been done at this time on Friday evening.I am starting at 8am tomorrow and plan on leaving here .......... by 11am to get to the park for about 4pm where I have paid for 3 stables to overnight for my early start on Sunday. > I will have the expense of labour+ diesel 5hrs in not so small a lorry+£90 for Stables+ food > Needless to say quite a bit of money. > Can you please let me know by 8am Saturday morning?....otherwise I will have to hold you responsible for my outlay. " This having spent all day Friday on the phone cancelling judges, stewards, and competitors, tradestands etc, etc etc and Friday evening relocating all our admin stuff from the damp marquee to the leaky shed. It's a good job we love the 99.99% of you. I am sorry for this rant but please try to put self to one side and bear with us, all will be sorted as soon as we possibly can, I am usually so against this sort of rant on a forum but honestly if this season continues as it has started weather wise, we will all need to be very patient.
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Post by perfect on Jun 11, 2012 20:56:52 GMT
Considering the ncpa people do such a good job, i think it wrong to give them any grief. they cant control the weather. but!!! may i ask what about the classes for the non Hoys people who had entered on the saturday, plenty of ncpa registered members are not bothered about going to Hoys, but still enjoy "our shows". will these be rescheduled as well or just be a lost show. we suffered when warrington cancelled but kept the Hoys classes on at a different venue... we understand that these classes bring in a good deal of money, but surely members are just as important.
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Post by shelliewilson on Jun 11, 2012 21:08:07 GMT
absolutely delighted that you have chosen a new date and no matter which it was to be i still would not complain - but re opening entries is very unfair, i can understand you lost money but is 44 in a section b qualifier not enough already? ?? (and only a fewwill chose a different show over a hoys qual) its ridiculous so the classes are now going to end up with 60 + with it being the last available qualifier for hoys! seriously not doubting how hard you all work and it is greatly apprieciated but surely you can see its unfair to re open entries! sure re open entries for other not as full classes but those classes are big enough!!!
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Post by piper on Jun 11, 2012 21:08:18 GMT
Very important to us perfect but as I say we can't all get together until next week, hence the further details to be confirmed.
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Post by kayjayem on Jun 11, 2012 21:12:11 GMT
Piper, I hope the author of the "Dear Pam" is feeling suitably embarrassed. Selfish or what? Maybe invite him/her to join the organising committee!
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Post by corteener on Jun 11, 2012 21:22:53 GMT
personally think its brilliant that they have arranged a date so soon then we can organise our season! people need to stop being ungrateful and realise that nothing will lease everyone and there is a chance that every show will clash with another, considering how many shows there is in a year it is bound to happen! i also dont see the big deal in opening entries up again? well done and thanks
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Post by snowflake on Jun 11, 2012 21:23:49 GMT
We always try to support the NCPA & enjoy their shows, it would be so much appreciated if the committee could add on the saturday classes, that were missed off e.g sp, shp, ncpa registered and all the others that were missed that day. The NCPA do so great at giving members a variety a classes it seems a shame that only the HOYS can go ahead.
Also best of luck for the September Show here's hoping it will be a sunny day for you all ;D
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Post by kidside on Jun 11, 2012 21:32:05 GMT
I also agree it is not the NCPA's fault british weather!! and I know dates are hard to arrange, CHAPS Champs runs until 1 Sept with an evening performance sometimes going on until 11pm this is a long distance to then drive over to Cheshire, also some of your coloured classes are CHAPS 2012 qual, I presume this would be moved to 2013 however most will not have new qual cards at that date there will also now be 3 HOYS quals for the coloureds the same week Scottish, CHAPS & NCPA, I always support NCPA and with the current climate am choosing my shows very carefully I have already spent good money on quals for CHAPS which is a show I love and being realistic cant get over to the new scheduled show I appreciate NCPA have lost money due to the cancellation which is not your fault but I cant afford to loose money either especially when I am unable to attend, for most the re-scheduled show will suit but please consider the requests for refunds for those who cant attend as its not the competitors fault either, I am also aware Royal London will clash surely re-opening the entries will create enough revenue for the NCPA to offer refunds? Please do not take this as a critism I understand running a show must be a nightmare especially when things dont go to plan for me a refund will result in me being able to choose another show to attend and keep the kids happy
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Post by thecremellosociety on Jun 11, 2012 21:50:50 GMT
Shows are always going to clash at some point, my own show in august is clashing this year with a few and banking on the supporters coming for a grand day out and fab prizes, i do feel for the commitee knowing what i have gone through with a judge change and the things i have heard today because of it, makes me wonder why we bother ......
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Post by delbel on Jun 11, 2012 22:11:39 GMT
i would hope if there are 60 in the section b's that they would split the class and judge it in 2 halves! i've seen this done plenty of times after all its about the 'scores on the doors' and someone capable of adding up after!!
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Post by kayjayem on Jun 11, 2012 22:18:51 GMT
i would hope if there are 60 in the section b's that they would split the class and judge it in 2 halves! i've seen this done plenty of times after all its about the 'scores on the doors' and someone capable of adding up after!! Hmmm will be interesting to see if there really are 60, I very much doubt it
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Post by iluvmyponies on Jun 11, 2012 22:33:25 GMT
Who'd be a show organiser I've never heard so many ungrateful moaners. No date will suit everyone and that is obviously why entries are re-opened, some won't be able to make the rescheduled date and some who were previously otherwise engaged will. Give the organisers a break and some respect for the difficult job they do(weather permitting), and get a grip folks it's a show not life and death!
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Post by frobster on Jun 11, 2012 22:38:04 GMT
The position with CHAPS is unfortunate but not insurmountable, I am sure you won't be showing your animals all day every day at Arena UK and the stabling at Somerford is brilliant, so come over on Saturday evening. I think the CHAPS members will be the most inconvenienced. Most people do compete on all 3 days as there is such a range of classes and unfortunately with the new schedule, the main open ridden finals are on the Saturday with placings in the evening performance. I will feel for the poor ponies that have to travel after this for the 8am start for the HOYS qualifiers the next day in Cheshire! Such a shame as I know a lot of hard work has been put into a new structure for the CHAPS Champs and hopefully competitors will remember to support the society which provides us with the HOYS qualifiers!
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Post by showingfanatic on Jun 11, 2012 22:51:18 GMT
Feel for the CHAPS people but it's clear NCPA are doing all they can, meanwhile, the rest of the competitors should just be grateful they have re-scheduled!! Of course the new date wont suit everyone but no show date ever does. I was previously engaged at a show the day before and was not prepared to take mine out two days on the trot so you will have our entry for the september show. ;D Also, being at the end of the season, many ponies will already have their tickets and will not need to attend so I very much doubt there will be a massive increase in the class sizes, really don't see an issue opening up entries.
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Post by snowflake on Jun 11, 2012 23:30:31 GMT
I actually can't remember ever seeing 60 in a Bs HOYS class! Maybe a D's but never a Bs! I think re-opening the entries will bring in a few more entries, not tonnes but a fair few. NCPA have tried their hardest don't think there is ever a big show which doesn't clash with something else. Plus the last few HOYS qualfiers always attract big entries look at when BSPS Wales used to be (a similar date last year I'm sure?) & that attracted large entries.
I for one will definitely go just to watch 60 Bs turn up ;D
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Post by clobo121082 on Jun 12, 2012 9:10:20 GMT
I don't think there are 60 b's on the circuit!!! Realistically a lot that were entered will have qualified by then and to be fair to the show by opening up the entries they may cover some costs which I am sure they lost. If the entries are that big I am sure the classes will be split and what an achievement to win that class!
Well done to everyone who worked so hard for putting the show back on and getting a date so quickly. Do you know if the judges will be the same?
Lets hope September has better weather!
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Post by piper on Jun 12, 2012 9:44:28 GMT
All the finer details have to be confirmed clobo121082 and that will be done as soon as possible. If 60 Bs turn up I too will be amazed ! Realistically entry numbers will probably stay about the same, some will have already qualified and some will have other commitments. We hope to be able to confirm everything in the next couple of weeks. We are committed ( some say should be lol) to putting on the Sunday schedule but obviously some things and running orders may change but we can't make those kind of decisions on the spur of the moment, they need to be carefully considered and the dust needs to settle first. Thanks for your support clobo 121082
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Post by Kerbeck on Jun 12, 2012 10:11:05 GMT
I don't think it is unfair to reopen, I couldn't enter the first show as I had a breed show the day beofre and won't do two days on the trot, but I will be entering now!
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Post by delbel on Jun 12, 2012 12:46:40 GMT
I love this show and we couldn't make the Sunday either, transport problems also stopped me from coming saturday for my inhand classes but we too will now be entering the HOYS classes sunday!
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Post by wellbrow on Jun 12, 2012 13:21:08 GMT
I saw on facebook that the show has been re-scheduled for in September with full sunday schedule running. Does anyone know whether the classes which had been cancelled on the Saturday will be running?
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Post by admonished on Jun 12, 2012 13:28:02 GMT
I just ca't believe my eyes reading the reactions from some very rude people.
No one "has" to travel anywhere but at least a lot of competitors have a show to go to if they wish
I, for one, couldn't go last weekend and now will be able to, so a huge "thank you" from me to all the hard working Committee.
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Post by janetbushell on Jun 12, 2012 14:07:14 GMT
wellbrow - the final decisions cannot be made until after the full committee meeting next week as per "piper's" earlier post.
The committee are aware of people wishing to have the cancelled classes from the Saturday reheld, but at the present no decision has been made & I can only ask you all to be patient.
When the full decisions have been made then ALL the information will be made available on the websites & no doubt on HG, but in the mean time perhaps all the questions can wait until they can receive the correct answers.
I know everyone just wants to get planned but if you need your regular fix of NCPA shows then do go along to the Lancashire Branch Red Rose County Show on Saturday 16th at Myerscough College, Preston - at least we can guarantee that the weather will not affect that venue!
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Post by snowflake on Jun 12, 2012 15:36:10 GMT
Many thanks for taking the time to consider the idea NCPA, look forward to seeing the 're-schedule'
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Post by barneysmum on Jun 12, 2012 16:27:43 GMT
If CHAPS Competitors are at the Champs on the Saturday night the payment for your stables cover saturday night at Arena UK. Somerford Park may be closer to Arena UK for some of you than it would be if you were travelling from home.
Let's hope you can support both shows in good spirit. I can also confirm that CHAPS Championship Qualifiers will qualify you for 2013 and you will be able to get your 2013 Qualifier Cards either two weeks prior to or at the CHAPS Championships as usual., so you should not miss the opportunity to qualify for next season.
A Show Secretary's / Committee's job is hard enough to organise these shows when all goes to plan so please be courteous and remember the hard work that goes into them for YOU the competitors.
Unfortunately the one thing that can't be planned is the British Weather!
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Post by showingforfun on Jun 13, 2012 5:55:53 GMT
I think a lot of people are missing the bigger picture here. You cannot please all of the people all of the time and after watching the news on Saturday evening of the poor poor people in Wales who have lost everything due to the flood waters in there homes I think loosing a few pounds in entries fees is a small price to pay. Unfortunately as we live in good old Blighty we have to take what the weather throws at us and sometimes we don't like it but we have to live with it (or emigrate)
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