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Post by shonat on Jul 6, 2007 8:05:03 GMT
What a year the Idyllic Stud are having!!!! Having already qualified their stunning brood mare, Idyllic Fonteyn for the Cuddy Finals at Hoys 2007, their stallion, Idyllic Entrepreneur has made it an unprecedented double by Qualifying for the Cuddy final at the Royal of England on Wednesday. (RESULTS ON THE ROYAL WEB SITE) Enormous credit to Jenny & family for a truly outstanding achievement that may never be beaten again!!!!
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Post by skint on Jul 6, 2007 8:15:28 GMT
I love the Idyllic ponies they are so typey and what a Section A should be
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Post by well done on Jul 6, 2007 10:38:56 GMT
well done mark & liz for all your hard work and what a great achievement, good luck for hoys!
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Post by congratulations on Jul 6, 2007 10:45:12 GMT
Huge congratulations must definately go to Jenny and Norman Kilbey who bred both Fonteyn and Entreprenour. They will i'm sure both fly the welsh flag for section A's at HOYS - its a hat-trick for them now i believe as i'm sure Idyllic Tosca with the Delami stud got through to the Cuddy a few years back. well done Idyllic
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Post by well done on Jul 6, 2007 12:18:29 GMT
Well done to the Idyllic stud! Not only has Entrepreneur and Fronteyn both qualify for the cuddys but Frontyen's son Delami Destiny has qualified for the ridden as well at hoys and Olympia!!!!!! well done to both studs involved and good luck at hoys and keep that welsh flag flying!!!!!!
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Post by Disappointed on Jul 6, 2007 19:06:48 GMT
I am glad they did so well BUT they should not forget the rest of us. I left several messages earlier this year because I wanted to send a very nice (medal winning champion) mare to their stallion but I guess they didn't reply because they had no idea who I was - we don't show much and are not a 'well known name'. Mrs Waller gave me the same treatment. People do seem to get very snobby about who they mix with when they do well. I can see every reason not to accept a not so good mare to your stallion but mine is not in that catagory and even the owner of a less good mare at least deserves a reply.
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Post by pony on Jul 6, 2007 19:30:19 GMT
I am glad they did so well BUT they should not forget the rest of us. I left several messages earlier this year because I wanted to send a very nice (medal winning champion) mare to their stallion but I guess they didn't reply because they had no idea who I was - we don't show much and are not a 'well known name'. Mrs Waller gave me the same treatment. People do seem to get very snobby about who they mix with when they do well. I can see every reason not to accept a not so good mare to your stallion but mine is not in that catagory and even the owner of a less good mare at least deserves a reply. It makes me angry that big studs and Brightwells for that matter don't give the little studs the time of day, as in my oppinion some of the small studs breed far more quality than the big studs. The Idyllic stallion is a beautiful stallion and moves to die for! But just out of interest how long ago was it that the Kilbeys produced anything for the Colne Stud? Yes he does deserve The Royal Cuddy as like I have said he is very nice (so don't shoot me down!!! ) 'Dissapionted' may I ask how your mare is bred?
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Post by morts on Jul 6, 2007 20:35:33 GMT
I love the Idyllic ponies they are so typey and what a Section A should be Hmm But would they survive a winter out on the Welsh hills ? I very much doubt it.
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Post by Welshmountainpony on Jul 6, 2007 21:34:11 GMT
disappointed - i can understand how you feel, but perhaps it has nothing to do with who you are. Have you considered that the Idyllic stallion is not actually at public stud this year as he is out showing - same goes for Delami Destiny as he is being produced. Yes we would all like to use stallions of this calibre but they arent actually covering any outsiders mares i dont think Morts - tut tut touch of the green eyes monster have we? - one thing - do you know a quality sec A or do you prefer the puggy pit pony ones Why is it that anyone who is succesful is always fair game for a good slating - if anybody thinks they can do better then you should all be out there breeding and showing your own ponies!!
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Post by dun4u on Jul 6, 2007 22:28:48 GMT
This thread has been spoilt just like the one from 'blacknight' in the thread after this. It's definitely the green-eyed monsters putting their oar in again and they can't even sign in with a 'proper' display name ..... so sad.
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Post by runshaw on Jul 7, 2007 8:36:42 GMT
I love the Idyllic ponies they are so typey and what a Section A should be Hmm But would they survive a winter out on the Welsh hills ? I very much doubt it. I think if they were conditioned differently, ie without rugs, and roughed off etc so could get a decent coat then i see no reason why they couldn't survive on the open hill to be honest. Previous generations of the same type (as thats what i assume you are getting at) have done so for many many years so i can't see any reason why a pony of that type can't do it again and in fact i believe there are many like them that already do. Disappointed, did you ring about your mare or email? If you emailed are you sure they received it? Did you tell them what/who your mare is and provide pictures? As much as i'm in no way sticking up for them as i don't actually know them or their circumstances with these stallions but would assume someone before was correct in saying they aren't at public stud this year. Also just because a mare is a medal winner doesn't automatically mean that its a good mare or one that you think will suit your stallion and vice versa but do appreciate your comment that if they have received your email then a response costs nothing to say that the stallions aren't at stud or aren't suitable. Getting back to the Idyllic ponies that have done so so well this year and previous ones too, surely it can only be good for the breed when they are consistently having such high profile tickets being taken in all sections aswell not just the section A's and proving that they are still the most versatile of breeds who can turn their hooves to anything should they be asked
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Post by morts on Jul 7, 2007 8:42:36 GMT
Welshmountainpony Oh really rattled your chains didn't I ? As it so happens I do breed and show all sections of the welsh breeds Very successfully ! I just don't make a song and dance about it, neither do I "big up" my ponies on the internet. As it so happens I have a welsh mountain mare who has won the royal welsh, won at the royal show and numerous other county shows. No she isn't a puggy eyed pit pony but a true sec A, the type you can find at studs in Wales that preserve the best bloodlines. Everyone is entitled to an opinion weather you like it or not. Smile it really does make you feel better .
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Post by Welshmountainpony on Jul 7, 2007 10:56:19 GMT
morts my dear you didnt rattle my chain at all, i'm very happy As you can see i'm not Idyllic if thats what your getting at (you'll find them at Northleach today) I have ponies of similar type and no I don't big them up at all either on the internet - people who appreciate them at shows or home is enough for me. Its just very sad that you have to resort to flippant comments about them. I'm sure their ponies - as with mine are quite capable of living out year round and most of them do so
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Post by morts on Jul 7, 2007 11:41:44 GMT
I'm sure their ponies - as with mine are quite capable of living out year round and most of them do so Yeah right! Have it your own way I did not suggest you were idyllic stud just remarked that I personally did not big up my own ponies. Further to that you suggested that I did not know what a good sec A looked like, as you don't know me I fail to see how you can make such a sweeping statement. As I said everyone is entitled to their own persoal opinion. I suggest we leave it at that.
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Post by another newie on Jul 7, 2007 12:21:12 GMT
Blimy this is all a bit firey!!
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Post by bellabella on Jul 7, 2007 15:07:31 GMT
Sorry to read that this thread seems to have drifted away off the original good intentioned track.
I would like to add my congratulatons to the Idyllic stud on a tremendous result.
I love the Cuddy competition and go each Year to Hoys to cheer on the qualified welsh ponies, regardless of their Prefix or handler or WSB section. I also cheer on certain producers/handlers who time and again, produce and present their animals in the most amazing form. I love it!!!!
Call me an old fashioned, but I would really love to believe that we are all capable of saying well done, especially when the job has been so well done in the case of the Kilbeys, qualifying two home bred Ponies. Personally, I applaude hard work and success in every realm in life and try, (even if we are fans or not,) to appreciated another persons achievement. It could even be an example and an inspiration, depending on what way you look at it.
Well done again!!
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Post by PEBBLE on Jul 7, 2007 15:28:01 GMT
WELL DONE
I love the idyllic ponies they have great temperaments
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Post by somepeople on Jul 7, 2007 18:57:19 GMT
I am glad they did so well BUT they should not forget the rest of us. I left several messages earlier this year because I wanted to send a very nice (medal winning champion) mare to their stallion but I guess they didn't reply because they had no idea who I was - we don't show much and are not a 'well known name'. Mrs Waller gave me the same treatment. People do seem to get very snobby about who they mix with when they do well. I can see every reason not to accept a not so good mare to your stallion but mine is not in that catagory and even the owner of a less good mare at least deserves a reply. As to the above comment by Disappointed I feel that your words are very harsh. Mrs Waller and the girls have been very helpful from the first phone call I made with using their stallion Delami Darth Vader on my not to say the least very difficult maiden filly. I feel using the word "SNOBBY" unnecessary as my filly has only been shown a few times and is ALSO not well known and neither am I like you Disappointed!!!!!!!!!! Their stallion was a true gentlemen and we will be using him again. And as I’m sure you are all aware they don't use their stallions for the money! >:(
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Post by goodness on Jul 7, 2007 19:00:52 GMT
Oh for goodness sake you lot!! Well done to Idyllic Stud
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Post by Courtesy on Jul 7, 2007 19:20:37 GMT
I am amazed at all the bickering that goes on in the welshie world, but thank goodness for those like minded people who want to see others do well...Bellabella you put it so very well and l agree with you wholeheartedly.
Why can't we just accept that it works for some people and not for others. I think it is also very unnecessary all the bickering, l guess you were lucky Somepeople that it worked for you but if dissappointed had that experience, how else is she suppose to have felt..no matter what the circumstances, l do agree that a courtesy telephone call back should have been received as this is surely the professional way to work for such a professional team of people/stud. In fact for anybody.....I certainly would expect and I do give this service..no matter who the person is.
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Post by somepeople on Jul 7, 2007 19:32:26 GMT
I am amazed at all the bickering that goes on in the welshie world, but thank goodness for those like minded people who want to see others do well...Bellabella you put it so very well and l agree with you wholeheartedly. Why can't we just accept that it works for some people and not for others. I think it is also very unnecessary all the bickering, l guess you were lucky Somepeople that it worked for you but if dissappointed had that experience, how else is she suppose to have felt..no matter what the circumstances, l do agree that a courtesy telephone call back should have been received as this is surely the professional way to work for such a professional team of people/stud. In fact for anybody.....I certainly would expect and I do give this service..no matter who the person is. As said by others you should consider that the Waller's didn't receive your email Disappointed as when I have email them they have replied. Why didn't you phone them if you were so desperate to get your mare covered as on their website is both their home and mobile number!! which I can assure you all that they do answer the phone no matter who you are!!
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Post by idyllic stud on Jul 7, 2007 20:07:23 GMT
We have read threads on these sites many times however have always declined to add our comments even when the discussion has related to us. However as this thread is solely about us we thought we would add our own comments. First of all we would like to thank all the people who have congratulated us, on the internet and in person, this really is very kind and is very much appreciated. We also appreciate constructive criticism and can only appologise for any unanswered emails, producing ponies for the show ring is our game, not computers!! the best thing to do is phone, that way there would be no misunderstanding. As to our ponies living out on the welsh hills this would be slightly difficult as they were all bred and live in the flats of East Anglia!! All parts of the stud are open to anyone who would like to visit and would then realise we are all far from snobby!! Many thanks Idyllic stud..
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Post by guest not logged in on Jul 7, 2007 20:51:06 GMT
well done idyllic stud not just in the show ring but for answering back your "critiques" i doubt very much that many mountain ponies showing today could survive on the hills and come on it is the showing season they are busy i would be planning sires a season ahead and have everything signed and sealed before end of winter prior to mares seasons keep going idyllic stud ignore the moaners you are doing the mountain ponies proud even if they never saw a hill in their life!!!
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Post by well done on Jul 7, 2007 21:01:20 GMT
i was there at the royal, and i thought the stallion looked and went brilliant. in the a championship there was only one winner. whether they produced for ann overton years ago is by to by what other pony in that ring could of taken the championship away from him? there wasnt one!! he deserved the m+m championship and cuddy and out of all the welsh ponies that have already qualified for hoys he is my favourite to do well!! good luck idyllic stud!!!
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Post by guest66 on Jul 8, 2007 13:11:34 GMT
Well done Idyllic Stud, we had an Idyllic breed pony a few years ago and although she wasn't born and bred on a welsh mountain we had her out all winter on a hill with no rug and she loved it.
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Post by lincolstables on Jul 8, 2007 13:19:45 GMT
Im really pleased that Idyllic Stud replied to the bit*hy comments that were being used in this thread. They answered with dignity and restraint. Perhaps some of you should follow their example If you cant say anything nice about people...SHUT UP
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Post by runshaw on Jul 9, 2007 7:31:40 GMT
No she isn't a puggy eyed pit pony but a true sec A, the type you can find at studs in Wales that preserve the best bloodlines. Please can i ask what bloodlines you are preserving so we can all help if possible? Or are these hill ponies? I'm assuming from your post that they can only be found in Wales? Or that are only kept within Wales?
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Post by cannot believe this thread on Jul 9, 2007 12:20:54 GMT
i cannot believe how a thread started completely genuinly as a congratulations has turned into basically a slagging off thread of 2 very successful section A studs and not just that, the actual people from the said studs. Do you people really have nothing better to do with your lives than bit*h and slag people off on this website that do well all through their own hard work and perserverance. why cant you just be happy for them
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Post by Racehorseman turned Welsh on Jul 9, 2007 16:08:49 GMT
I just cannot believe all that l have just read..It is all beyond me, why on earth do people show their ponies if they cannot take or understand the losing element seriously.
To criticise studs like Idyllic (and anybody elses for that matter)who in my opinion have one of the most outstanding Section A in Idyllic Fonteyn is near impossible for me to understand. I am almost lost for words...I can appreciate it if this pony isn't your type etc, I must say l prefer the Friars type, but l am also man enough to admit when l see a great pony in action even if l don't like it. Mrs Kilbey come to Shropshire you can and would beat me everytime...let me tell you l would feel proud to be beaten by an outstanding pony such as this..
As for the Delami stud, they don't win everywhere or indeed everytime, but when they do it is usually because their ponies deserve to...and is the best in the ring at that time. Remember there is only one judge in the ring and hundreds outside
Perhaps those of you that are obviously really bad losers and just cannot bear to see the success of other people need to look in your own back yard before being hyper critical of others. Yes we are all entitled to an opinion but don't have the right to slag off every Tom willy or Harry just because they are successful.
Come on folks we are all suppose to enjoy our ponies , l really enjoy mine because l know they are the best ponies on the circuit even if everyone else disagrees. You try and make me take home a Waller or Kilbey horse, l can assure you it would be turned down everytime for my own little fiesty steeds....And we are not particularly successful on the wider circuit yet !!!
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Post by disappointed on Jul 9, 2007 18:38:31 GMT
To put the record straight, I have not slagged off either of the studs mentioned. In my case, I merely pointed out that I was disappointed that neither of these studs bothered to contact me when I had emailed them at least twice and left telephone messages in both cases. I was merely wondering if they did not return my calls because they did not know who I was and they felt that they would not want what might have been perceived to be a lesser mare to their stallion. I have afeeling that this might be the case in lots of studs and not just these - but I don't know. ps. my mare is safely in foal to a very well known stallion owned by someone who knows a good mare when they see one eeven if we are not well known!!
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