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Post by blackknight on Jul 6, 2007 18:44:49 GMT
i today recieved confirmation from the HOYS office that my Fell has qualified for the M&M final...but still othing for the sec C. I called the office to be told that the results that South of England had provided named a completly different pony as the winner of the class. They had also sent a letter to the owners of this pony advising that they had qualified!!! I made a desperate call to th nice lady at the South of England office, whereupon she told me that she would ring the HOYS office to advise that the results submitted were wrong and that i was infact the winner. I havent heard from anyone yet to confirm that all is ok, i feel sick that there may be a total mix up and my qualification will be invalid. I also feel terrible for the family that have got a letter advising that their pony had qualified I hope theres a happy ending for all parties concerned...what do you think??
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Post by Stewart on Jul 6, 2007 18:48:50 GMT
Gutted for you. Dont let it drop. Hoys do seem to have problems getting things right
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Post by Enthusiast on Jul 6, 2007 19:04:41 GMT
At least there were alot of witnesses to you winning the class so that it cannot be disputed!!
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Post by robin guest on Jul 6, 2007 20:07:51 GMT
That 's terrible I'd be soooooo angry if it happened to me I feel sorry for the others but it is your ticket so go for it.
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Post by finglands on Jul 6, 2007 20:11:57 GMT
That's awful Nickki. Says you definitely won in the South of England show results.Hope you get good news soon. It must be awful waiting for that phone call. Let us know what happens.
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Post by cobweb128 nli on Jul 6, 2007 20:13:22 GMT
If they try and dispute it, which they shouldn't...you have photographic evidence in that the SoE professional photos are online...clearly of you in the section C class with a red rosette on! Also, did you get one of the qualifying rosettes or are they not doing those this year?
Don't let it drop, it will be horrible for the person they have told but to be honest they probably know they didn't really qualify (but would you say anything if you'd been given a HOYS ticket for free..!!) You certainly shouldn't be worried about that anyway, you, the owner and the pony qualified in your own right so you make sure you get that ticket!
Good luck.
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Post by teddybear nli on Jul 6, 2007 21:00:54 GMT
What we have got to worry about is this is a new system that HOYS have adopted after the Royal fiasco last year,and already there is a mistake. There must be a way of ensuring a qualification is verified on the day.
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Post by leo on Jul 6, 2007 21:38:25 GMT
Did anyone see the marks of the C class to double check? As I assume that hoys get sent the mark sheets in order to confirm the qualification?
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Post by play fair on Jul 6, 2007 21:54:28 GMT
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Post by dun4u on Jul 6, 2007 22:20:41 GMT
Well, 'play fair', that was a bit below the belt!!! Sounds like sour grapes to me ....... did you have a pony in the same class by any chance?
I hope 'blacknight' soon has the problem sorted with HOYS, and the people who were miss-informed about qualifying are gracious about the outcome.
By the way, why do you call yourself 'play fair'?
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Post by play fair on Jul 6, 2007 23:28:10 GMT
No we didn't have a pony in the same class, in a following one. We do play fair and would like to see others doing the same!!!!
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Post by finglands on Jul 7, 2007 5:24:56 GMT
I thought we were tallking about the 'c' here & not the fell qualifying?
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Post by bnm on Jul 7, 2007 7:21:44 GMT
Play fair, that was a rotten thing to say! with Black knight feeling so worried about the mix up with her C you certainly didnt need to add to it. Nicki is one of the fairest people i have ever met and she certainly doesnt deserve your underhanded comments. Keep your chin up Nicki, it WILL get sorted in the end i'm sure, just hang on in there
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Post by finglands on Jul 7, 2007 10:37:31 GMT
Don't worry Nicki, Heard you've had a good day with a C today. Is it the same one?? Congratulations.
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Post by bnm on Jul 7, 2007 18:24:21 GMT
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Post by ickelford on Jul 7, 2007 21:08:41 GMT
what on earth!?!!
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Post by blackknight nli on Jul 7, 2007 22:03:38 GMT
Play fair...get your facts right before you open your silly mouth and say untruths.
I actually asked my partner to come into the ring to speak to him, he never stood at the ponies head or touched him let alone held him He was figeting in line from being tired, no worse than ponies that have qualified at other shows, My fell is a fantastic pony and deserves every success he gets...HOYS will be no problem for him. If you want to discuss this with me, feel free to come and speak to me in person, if you have the nerve!
This thread is about the C, if you cant stay on topic, dont join i. Spend your time getting a life....
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Post by PEBBLE on Jul 7, 2007 22:20:47 GMT
I am sorry you have had a sleepless night or two about this, but dont worry i am sure it will get sorted out and all will be fine. I heart goes out to the family, that prehaps thought they had qualfied, may be they should let you both go to HOYS that would be fair
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Post by play fair on Jul 7, 2007 22:27:21 GMT
Most people chat to the people next to them in the line up as grooms should not enter the ring until the steward has given the jockey permission to dismount!!!!! That's a fact!
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Post by dun4u on Jul 7, 2007 23:36:35 GMT
I still think yours is a misnomer, 'play fair'. Why not change it to 'sour grapes' or 'pedantic'? Or, better still why don't you come out of the woodwork and let us all know exactly who you are? What have you got to hide, after all?
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Post by interested on Jul 8, 2007 6:50:28 GMT
Most people chat to the people next to them in the line up as grooms should not enter the ring until the steward has given the jockey permission to dismount!!!!! That's a fact! Can you tell what rule numer that is please, you talk rubbish, you obviously own a dobbin.
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Post by Bit harsh on Jul 8, 2007 8:15:31 GMT
Well thats a bit harsh I thought grooms shouldn't enter also. At a HOYS class at Cheshire recently, we were asked to enter the ring after the initial pull in so as not to disturb the ponies doing their shows mid way through the class but were asked to stand back away from the ponies until they had done their shows, then we could come forward and strip our ponies. I thought having someone come into the ring could be classed as having outside assistance
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Post by lincolstables on Jul 8, 2007 13:09:52 GMT
blackknight I hope you get this mix up sorted out quickly. I think the time has come to ban guests from this site...if they wish to post comments on this forum they shouldnt be allowed to remain anonomous, some of these comments are bordering on libelous I wish blackknight all the best for HOYs, she deserves to do well and so do her horses.
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Post by silva on Jul 8, 2007 14:07:09 GMT
Most people chat to the people next to them in the line up as grooms should not enter the ring until the steward has given the jockey permission to dismount!!!!! That's a fact! Most people go in the ring as the pony they are attending is doing its show or one pony before its show. If they wait for the rider to get off there is the problem of a conformation judge waiting for a pony. I dont see what the big problem is with a groom going in sooner as the groom is not going to make the pony do a better show now are they Also I thought the idea of a groom was to attend to the needs of pony and jockey? How can they do that from outside the ring.
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Post by why on Jul 8, 2007 14:19:10 GMT
firstly i do not know blacknight however having someone come into the ring to assist before you have completed youe show and got your ridden mark is wrong, if it had been a proffesional producer going to one of his or her ponies then people would have gone mad saying they were trying to influence the judge, it is bad enough when they come in for the strip. secondly why do you always want to ban the guests as it has been said before any comments that are made that cause a row or usually made by a member posing as a guest, and the whole ponit of aninomity is so we can say what we really think without fear of being compromised in any way. I do not condone people being nasty in any way but a lot of the debates on here are valid, and this is why horsegossip is the most popular forum and thirdley you have banned the guests and everyone voted for them to come back as quite simply nothing juicy ever got debated as everyone knew who everyone was.
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Post by curiosity on Jul 8, 2007 14:40:31 GMT
I am afraid l have to agree to a point with what play fair has said, and l merely pick up on the issue to do with Mannerly ponies. I am a great believer in manners and yes would agree that if a horse with bad manners was placed highly then in my opinion that is wrong. I cannot talk about the said person above as l was not at that show and l wouldn't want to downplay her/his achievement..so well done on that front... As for having the groom in the ring , and l quote "at least six shows before you come out to do your own" Again l would have to pose that question, Why would that had been necessary and as someone rightly pointed out the groom goes into the ring to assist jockey and horse..Why would they need to be in the ring so early
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Post by curiosity on Jul 8, 2007 14:43:05 GMT
I am afraid l have to agree to a point with what play fair has said, and l merely pick up on the issue to do with Mannerly ponies. I am a great believer in manners and yes would agree that if a horse with bad manners was placed highly then in my opinion that is wrong. I cannot talk about the said person above as l was not at that show and l wouldn't want to downplay her/his achievement..so well done on that front... As for having the groom in the ring , and l quote "at least six shows before you come out to do your own" Again l would have to pose that question, Why would that had been necessary and as someone rightly pointed out the groom goes into the ring to attend to the needs of jockey and horse..Why would they need to be in the ring so early
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Post by lm on Jul 8, 2007 15:00:48 GMT
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Post by play fair on Jul 8, 2007 15:06:54 GMT
I have read the responses to my initial post and I would like to apologize to you Nikki as I was rather rude. I do wish you all the best for hoys and am thrilled for you and your c's owner in qualifying for Olympia and hoys. I do still however stand fully behind my first remarks regarding your groom entering the ring before you did your show at suffolk. It is well known by every competitor that you may only be attended to by your groom when given permission by the steward. This is usually after you have done your show unless the judges ask to strip the line from the bottom while the shows are done from the top. I'm sure you do know this and maybe your pony would have behaved well on the day without his groom but these courtesy's are there to prevent any outside assistance and to be fair to your fellow competitors. I hope you will take my comments on board and not offensively.
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Post by blackknight on Jul 8, 2007 19:14:45 GMT
Play fair....i know who you are so come and take it up with me in person...bored of talking off topic so will leave it alone. Think i have some light at end of the tunnel, I received my prize money from SofE dated 4thJuly which is before i spoke to them and its for 1st place....someone somewhere had the correct results so think it will all be sorted
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