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Post by tigger on Jul 15, 2007 18:03:13 GMT
This is just a question and I'm not complaining about any judge inparticular but I would like to get other peoples points of view:
I have done a few shows recently where the judge has not decided to strip all competitors but only the top 6. In one class the steward even told places 7 downwards before their individual shows that they would not be required to strip and the judge only wanted to see the top 6. Now I can understand that to some extent, especially if there is a very large class, but where there is only 9 or 10 in the ring thats a bit rude I think?
At Kent county on Saturday the steward asked everyone 7 downwards to leave the ring as soon as we had finished our individual shows. What was the point of doing them at all if the judge had already made up her mind she wasnt changing anything despite performance?
Is this normal practise at shows now? Am I the only one starting to feel cheated out of a fair chance? After all I think we have all seen times where horses/ponies have been pulled up from lower placings?!
As I said - not aiming this at anyone inparticular but would appreciate other points of view!
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Post by shocked on Jul 15, 2007 18:08:42 GMT
OMG that is appalling!!! You have all paid equal money, you should all be judged fairly. It's like when judges don't bother to look at you in the individual, it p**s me off so much it's just plain rude bad manners and they expect to be treated fairly Gosh I can't believe that If it were me I'd be having words with everyone I could I'd be fuming!
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Post by lincolstables on Jul 15, 2007 19:14:23 GMT
It does seem a bit unfair, especially if it isnt a big class. I could understand the reasoning if it was a huge class and the show was running behind times. Everyone deserves a fair look, and as said have often seen horses being brought right up.
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Post by guest always on Jul 15, 2007 19:16:07 GMT
I can see that they may not always strip all the ponies but they should all do shows and the judge can then decide from the shows which ones to strip.
It is rather rude and unfair if say the judge had decided only to strip those in the top 6 initial pull and some of those then wrong leg buck etc are then asked to strip but several ponies lower down the line then do a cracking show are not even considered. May as well limit the class to whatever amount gets placed if you are not going to be judged fairly! Also some of the ponies pulled highly may not strip well.
I have been pulled not so high to start with, done a great show and then get moved up and then to be stripped and moved up even further!
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Post by Normally on Jul 15, 2007 19:28:52 GMT
Normally, in a big class, everyone does their show and once you have completed your show, the steward syas strip or not! This normally means one mistake (wrong leg etc) and you don't strip and in a big class, I guess thats fair! But to only strip your initial 6 pulled in is very unfair, how many times have ponies lower down the line come up to win or to top placings?!?!?
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Post by judges opion on Jul 15, 2007 20:03:08 GMT
at the end of the day you have all paid the same amount of entry fee first or last and all should be judged so spending the same amount of time in the ring and doing the same if shows are pushed for time then you have a good steward making sure the next pony is always out ready and that a small set show is set for everyone.
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Post by OMG on Jul 15, 2007 20:50:37 GMT
OMG tigger it is very good of you to say you are not complaining i certainly would be because we pay for those classes judt to be dismissed from the go round that is not right. i think in strong classes the judges should maybe just strip the ones that go well.
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Judge Compete Query
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Post by Judge Compete Query on Jul 15, 2007 21:00:40 GMT
How come the NPS is now allowing judges to compete at shows they are judging at when the 20007 NPS Rule Book clearly states that they shouldn't do so. Surely a rule has to stand for a year until the next Rule Book is published?
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Post by Guestless on Jul 15, 2007 21:09:32 GMT
How come the NPS is now allowing judges to compete at shows they are judging at when the 20007 NPS Rule Book clearly states that they shouldn't do so. Surely a rule has to stand for a year until the next Rule Book is published? I think it was said that for this year it would be a recommendation only, but I could have got that wrong. I would be furious if I had been pulled in 7th place in a decent class and then told not to strip before I had done my show. What a total waste of time and IMO does mean such classes are not judged fairly. The go round may give a judge a good idea of what the placings will be, but the individual show is IMO much more important, even if its just to verify the initial thoughts.
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Post by tigger on Jul 15, 2007 21:47:20 GMT
Well I'm glad its not me that thinks this is out of order. I know this happened in all the ridden m+m classes at Kent County this weekend but I have also had this happen to me at 2 other shows, 1 ponies uk and the other nps so I cant even say its just one judge or society!!
I'm not saying the results would have been any different at Kent, to be honest all the class winners looked very worthy to me, but if the judges are only going to strip the first 6 placings why are the rest of us bothering?? Whats next - if 6 ponies look better than us on the initial walk should we give up then??
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Post by cheated on Jul 15, 2007 22:50:08 GMT
Its not only the M&M ridden ponies that are cheated at shows. I could not believe my eyes at the GYS this week when the Dales ponies were judged without doing an individual show at all. At £40 a class entry I think quite a few will have felt cheated.
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Post by finglands on Jul 16, 2007 5:51:15 GMT
Yes I watched that class at GYS & although it was in hand the ponies did the trot round to the end of the line, got pulled in then didn't do an individual show at all. Think it was only a couple of classes then the rest were judged properly. Maybe it was too early for the judge as it started at 7.30!
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