At the end of the day
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Post by At the end of the day on Jul 27, 2007 9:14:08 GMT
At the end of the day, talking on here won't make them change their minds!! They have made a decision and thats final!! If you don't like it, don't go!!
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Post by how sad on Jul 27, 2007 9:16:35 GMT
Such a shame that the NPS couldn't have seen beyond their immediate needs.I can't see any benefit to holding the show at Malvern next week and given all the options they had,this does seem a bizarre choice. Whatever they say after one days competition those rings are going to be a nightmare,everything is going to be covered in mud including the ponies and that is going to require gallons of water .Whatever fed up thinks about the whys and wherefores of why the people on Gloucester still have no water,it still seems insensitive in the extreme to wasting gallons of it keepng animals clean unnecessarily.Since a lot of local businesses were or still are under water,I fail to see how they are going to benefit from our presence either. Lets hope that we all have the courage of our convictions and stay away.I feel that I may ask for a refund on moral grounds and I too would like some answers as to whether or not my pony can remain a novice as I chose not to take up my Picton place.
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Post by racehorseman on Jul 27, 2007 10:30:52 GMT
Whilst Malvern would not be a place l would go to show my ponies NOT FOR ANY PARTICULAR REASON I think generally the idea of holding a show on wet sodden ground that is never going to have chance to recover after probably one class thundering over it is diabolical, especially given that these people had an opportunity to find and use somewhere else. Like someone said you are not going to please everyone, but it seems evident from people on here that that would be the preferred option.
I also however have to pick up on the point regarding showing sensitivity to the people of that area, yes whilst it is very sad but come on life goes on and ufortunately the world doesn't stop turning. I know a lot of you folks entered and attended kent county, how many of you decided not to show after witnessing the horrendous accident involving a kid and motorbike on the M25, which l know a lot of you saw it. I bet not one of you decided not to show. Just a thought..
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Post by fjudge on Jul 27, 2007 21:56:15 GMT
Yesterday at hickstead a horsebox being towed by three tractors turned over with four horses on. They are all ok - how stressful! Rather travel and (fingers crossed) be safer and have fun. Good luck and have a safe and happy time whatever decision is made Holy **** Now that is saying something. I really do hope that everyone who goes comes home safe and sound. Best of luck and stay safe!
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Post by Please on Jul 27, 2007 22:06:58 GMT
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE CAN WE ALL GO TO TOWERLANDS for NPS
please listen to us
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Post by Live Aid on Jul 28, 2007 1:26:34 GMT
Without being over dramatic, we are going to drive luxury lorries; with running water; power; dry -comfort and refrigeration into an area that has none of these!!! never mind the £000's of pounds worth of ponies we carry.......... into a 3rd world area of our own country, no other Nation is collecting, or dropping air parcels of food water etc. Never mind that insurances may never cover their losses- an "ACT OF GOD" !!!! Im staying at home.... it wont help the poor souls, but it will help MY concience............ CMON !!!! reschedule; relocate, ITS ONLY PROFIT........ not a life times savings
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Post by 7dnjcaa on Jul 28, 2007 6:36:57 GMT
You were all scaremongering about Hickstead, I was walking round in my flip flops yesterday, I wasnt towed in or out. There was the odd soggy bit, they changed rings and the ring we were in (a jumping ring) was in excellent condition. Hickstead did their best to accommodate and I am sure the NPS will do the same. Please do not speak on my behalf, I do not own a luxury lorry, and I would be willing to help the NPS and go round the rings for flood donations, I think my time will be better served rather than sitting at home moaning on here. All you lot will do will sit at home wining, perhaps you could come and offer to collect the donations
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Post by Come on on Jul 28, 2007 7:36:57 GMT
COME ON! THERE IS NO COMPARISON BETWEEN HICKSTEAD AND MALVERN. Hickstead GETS WIND STRAIGHT OFF THE SEA [46 mph] has been reasonably dry since the Derby Meeting compared to Malvern and certainly the surrounding area hasn't been affected so the same extent. A TRACTOR OVERTURNED AT HICKSTEAD PULLING A TRUCK OUT ON THURSDAY AT HICKSTEAD. the ground may hav e been good for yesterday but if you had been to the Derby meeting you'd understand.
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Post by Admin on Jul 28, 2007 8:23:45 GMT
I realise that many people have concerns regards the show next week at Malvern. Being a discussion forum one would expect people to debate the whys and wherefores of attending or not given the present situation in that area and surrounding areas. There are reasons for attending and reasons for not attending.
Every one must make their own minds up on what is best for them and their ponies. This decision should be based upon the information given by the bodies of people connected with the show and the show facilities. I’m sure if the situation should change the NPS will inform its members ASAP.
My reason for making these comments is that some posts in the threads regards NPS champs could be construed as scare mongering.
Please keep your eye on the NPS web site for further updates.
If you check out the announcements by the NPS they do make reference to vehicles being on hard standing.
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Post by Mum on Jul 28, 2007 12:47:06 GMT
Admin You have to be MALE! You haven't worked out the costs of taking 5 kids, 2 dogs a disinterested husband and a wagon from one side of the UK to the other. We pay a fortune to attend shows and don't think about it however in this instance we have payed out more than ever before come travel, enter, stable, feed, clothe our families for the nPS champs. We can't afford not to use that moeny and yet we don't wish to risk those we care for. This is not scaremongering as we are the scared
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Post by mara on Jul 28, 2007 13:22:23 GMT
Has anyone explained the full situation to their children & asked them if they want to spend a day or more trudging around in the mud or is it parents pushing their financial situation & ambitions on to the children?
Hickstead & the situation at Malvern are not even comparible at the moment.
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Post by Racehorseman on Jul 28, 2007 15:14:26 GMT
OVERBENT
Firstly to say l do recognise your concerns regarding your 9yr old daughter riding over a working hunter course.
So your daughter is doing the working hunter, do you not let your daughter hunt when it has been raining heavy and is a bit muddy underfoot. Or does your daughter not hunt at all but still enters these classes ??
I have only once in my lifetime every had hunting cancelled once due to heavy snow, never because it has been raining and is very muddy.
My goodness some folks on here really are melo-dramatic, and will pull any punch to get their point across.
For those of you that are going have a great time we went to RWAS, and had a great time after all the scare mongering that went on before the show.
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those of you that can't cope with your own thoughts regarding the flooded areas then just don't go..it seems so very unfair putting ones own worries and concerns onto everyone else.
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Post by billyfitz on Jul 28, 2007 17:16:58 GMT
MUM- I will also be travelling with kids, pony, dog, uninterested husband and mad neighbour from around the corner! I like so many others have had my concerns regarding the safety issues and the implications of holding this show and indeed of attending, I have taken on board all the for and against opinions, and have read what the NPS has posted on their site.
On the other thread titled NPS , Finglands posted an excellent report when her OH visited the showground yesterday, I believe he will visit there again tomorrow, and again she will post another report.
If all is well tomorrow, then we will be attending. I have asked my kids (one horsy, one not) what they want to do and they are both up for it, although I most add at this point that they are both muck magnets!! My daughter is entered in the lead rein WHP and cant wait to have a go!!
I guess what I am trying to say is that the information is there for us all to see, but we all have to make our own choices and decide what’s right for us as individuals / families.
However if you do decide to go, let me know me can put our uninterested husbands together!!
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Post by Wet Again on Jul 28, 2007 21:00:21 GMT
Yes Kent and Towerlands are/were options - but think of people coming up from Devon / Cornwall - I for one wouldn't travel that far - double the mileage and time - I agree it is not so bad for those in the Midlands etc, but from the westcountry it is a MUCH longer distance to travel. Don't you think that maybe for safetys sake people would rather travel further than go to malvern? [glow=red,2,300] Come on Devon and Cornwall. Kent & Towerlands are easy - M5 and then either M4, M25, M11 for Towerlands or M5,M4 or A303 then M3, M25, M26, M20, A229 for Kent. think anbout the poor people who travel to Malverne from East Kent and the coast of East Sussex. they have to treck across the county before they find a motorway.[/glow] Wherever it is held it will end up further for some and closer for others but I still think it is a better option. Anyone got rain? Bucketing down here and the river has gone over again.
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Post by info on Jul 29, 2007 5:24:25 GMT
On the news last night they showed picures of Upton Upon Severn and the water had subsided.
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Post by mara on Jul 29, 2007 7:19:10 GMT
But it can take days for the levels to rise again after more rain - this is part of the potential problem - yes you could start out dry at Malvern with roads clear etc but if you have more rain say Wednesday & Thursday in the area by the time you want to leave on Saturday/Sunday the roads could be impassable again.
We still have water running down the hill from torrential rainfall over a week ago where we don't normally have water running at all - our ground is only now starting to dry out following 3 days of strong breezes & with little rain.
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Post by Wet Again on Jul 29, 2007 8:18:41 GMT
Plenty of rain here. Only 10/12mm in Malvern. Programme of Gloucs/Worcs floods on Radio 4 at the moment. Red Cross say people are in shock. The river at Upton was stable last night.
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Post by wet again on Jul 29, 2007 8:24:39 GMT
Perhaps the NPS should now follow the respected decision of the AHS to cancel the show and return everyones entries. Not all the NPS council are in agreement about the possible running of the show and from the threads on this site people want to be positive but there are too many concerns and risks attached. If some of the local competitors still can't reach the showground then they at too needs consideration. Great shame the NPS didn't follow the AHS and take up the relocation offers.
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Post by happy nps member on Jul 29, 2007 8:27:47 GMT
You obviously havnt watched the BBC news this morning. There were pictures of Upton on Severn and the water has definately and still is receeding.
They never lost their water supply and they are not served by the water plant that was flooded.
I do agree in freedom of speech, but you are pushng the bounderies on the truthfulness of your speech.
The weather is said to improve greatly next week. We had rain here last night but no more than an ordinary british summer.
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Post by Wet again on Jul 29, 2007 8:40:42 GMT
No-one said Upton was without water but local competitors have said they still are unable to leave their property. Good news thta the expected rain didn't happen and that the forecast is better but we mustn't be selfish. We only show ponies. If the show does go ahead the NPS must do something for the local community and put a bit back rather than take and trot away. It is all too easy to shout your eyes to the suffering going on around you. Everyone does that far too often.
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Post by windsor on Jul 29, 2007 9:00:20 GMT
The decision to move should have been made a week ago, but its a waste of time phoning/lobbying/protesting the NPS council has and will not listen, they seem to have one particular council member that does not live that far away and does not want to move to another location so thats thats and its a waste of time even thinking that members would have a say.
What the NPS should have done was sent out a letter asking to members with 3 options on, if this was done last Monday and a deadline of Wednesday/Thursday this would have help make a decision that would have pleased the majority.
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Post by happy nps member on Jul 29, 2007 9:49:17 GMT
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Post by T on Jul 29, 2007 10:01:36 GMT
well if it was going to be moved to Towelands i would have brought my ponies down as its not far for me the only reason we dont go to nps beacuse its so far away!
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Post by how sad on Jul 29, 2007 10:06:41 GMT
I inially did not agree with the NPS decision,given the other options they had.However they are going ahead and I really dont think that safety is an issue at all.I have just spent the week at the Royal Welsh and believe me the conditions on the Thursday in the Main Ring were as bad as they could get .There was 2 inches of standing water on the surface followed by a further 4/5 inches of mud.All the Welsh Cobs galloped...flat out ...and round a couple of corners and not one horse slipped up.One girl fell off rather spectacularly but that was nothing to do with the ground.To the lady who is doing LR WHP,you will have more trouble than the pony and child. Having said all that I wouldn't chose to do it again,I have decided I am a wimp when it comes to mud !! I hope you all have a great time and don't be paranoid about "normal" rain...we have all got a bit that way this "summer"
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Post by mollydog on Jul 29, 2007 17:57:25 GMT
I have just got home after three days at Hickstead and NEVER want another experience like that in my life again. The mud was worse similar to that seen at Glastonbury! My lorry was towed on and off the showground which resulted in my 5 hour drive home being a horrendous one due to so much mud behind my lorries wheen trims that my lorry wobbled the whole drive home. I can only but beg with the NPS to move their show to another location better suited to their needs. Why, why cannot they listed to the competitors needs for safety??
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Post by Tyred on Jul 29, 2007 20:17:49 GMT
Let's all hope that the positive Council type guest/members posting on here are correct about the state of the showground and that we won't end up as we did at New Forest, royal; welsh and Hickstead and that they aren't just after keeping our money to save face and fortune.
With regards to the clown who will smile at those posting let's hope he/she is as honest as they make out. Isn't it sad how they always have to poke, threaten and show their insecurity?Everyone has been incredibly sensible on this thread and their concerns realistic and justified.
IMPORTANT ADVICE
Folks if you are forced to park by the guys on soft ground or pulled off by tractors please remember to take the guys [sorry girls], their managers and company names and full contact details so that they can be held responsible should any insurance claim have to be made. This is correct procedure. Everyone needs to know this as much damage has been done to vehicles at recent shows.
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Post by windymillar on Jul 29, 2007 20:49:23 GMT
Hi We heard that the show is going to Arena UK but dont get exited we think its true but not sure
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Post by happy nsp member on Jul 29, 2007 20:52:20 GMT
With regards to the clown who will smile at those posting let's hope he/she is as honest as they make out. Isn't it sad how they always have to poke, threaten and show their insecurity?Everyone has been incredibly sensible on this thread and their concerns realistic and justified. IMPORTANT ADVICE Folks if you are forced to park by the guys on soft ground or pulled off by tractors please remember to take the guys [sorry girls], their managers and company names and full contact details so that they can be held responsible should any insurance claim have to be made. This is correct procedure. Everyone needs to know this as much damage has been done to vehicles at recent shows. My comment were meant in fun if the above is not a threat, well I am going mad - thank god.
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Post by lincolstables on Jul 29, 2007 23:57:28 GMT
Can anyone explain to me WHY for Health and Safety AHS show at Malvern was cancelled...but its ok for NPS to go ahead? This was only a week ago, talking to friends in Worcester the showground is now wetter...has NPS some magic drying machines??? or are they money grabbing?
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Post by girly on Jul 30, 2007 6:00:59 GMT
From the Arab Horse website
Decision Regarding the 2007 National Championship Show - CANCELLED posted by Richard Averill on 22/07/2007
Annette Hedley, Annette Dixon, Debbie Tyler-Davis, Alec Nott, Heather Brown and Richard Averill have today made the journey with the intention of meeting on the Three Counties Showground at Malvern to make a decision on whether or not to go ahead with the show.
At 3pm the attempt to reach the showground had to be abandoned: the showground is inside a serious disaster area and flood water levels continue to rise. Debbie has spoken by phone to the Nick Vincent, Chief Executive of the Three Counties Agricultural Society, who has said that it will be impossible for the show to go ahead. Indeed the showground has been earmarked as a possible facility for evacuees from nearby Upton on Severn.
It is therefore with great regret that we must inform you that the 2007 show is cancelled. We greatly appreciate the understanding everyone has shown in this matter. Further information will be posted on this website as soon as it is available.
Worcestershire, 22nd July 2007
Not sure where the Health and Safety descion came from and can't see how the showground could be wetter than it was on tht Friday
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