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Post by 2connies on Aug 2, 2007 8:17:52 GMT
My judging is confined to local shows etc but I've encountered this 'wrong leg' scenario before on occasions.
In my opinion you have to take the whole picture into account (particularly in m+m classes).
If the pony/horse is all round the best animal in the class from the point of view of type,conf. etc and the only fault was a wrong leg (corrected) then it should not automatically go down.
On the other hand,if all things are equal with another animal then wrong legging it could be a decisive factor.
In short,I would never put an inferior animal ahead of a better one on the basis of a slight mistake..so I would'nt feel guilty if I were you!
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Post by viking on Aug 2, 2007 8:27:31 GMT
A good summing up 2connies. I couldn't put it better myself.
The judge has made his/her decision. There is no reason to feel guilty.
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Post by ferret on Aug 2, 2007 8:30:35 GMT
i won the novice m and m class this year @ Cheshire county on the wrong leg ...but to be fair the set show we were given was bit confusing for baby ponies ...out of the top six pulled ( i was pulled top )three either went on wrong leg or humped etc ....i was surprised to stay top but the judge came to me and said he stood out a mile in the class and that i was lucky on the day that other ponies did similar mistakes ....but yes was a bit embarrassed ...after the championship the judge said he was the best in the ring but couldnt have given me champion as he had gone on the wrong leg in his class and the other ponies in the champ didnt ...which was fair enough to me !
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Post by legalchick on Aug 2, 2007 8:38:52 GMT
A wise woman (obviously not a man!!) once said to me that you never give the rosette back when you know you should not have received it. Every competitor in their showing "life" will have a class where in their heart of hearts they know they were lucky to either win, or get a placing rosette. People should remember that when they know they should have won / got a rosette and were hard done to. That is showing!
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Post by smallbutmighty on Aug 2, 2007 9:49:51 GMT
Too many competitors seems obsessed with incorrect legs (even if a mistake in strike-off soon neatly corrected) and yet judges (rightly IMO) aren't that fussed - and lots of the showing columnists regularly sttae that, and in articles when asked about amateurs, professionals etc. A wrong strike-off is an impefection but usually down to jockey error . As said if the rest of teh performance is good and the animal is still overall better in the judge's opinion than the other animals then it is prerfectly reasonable to place it well. Perhaps people get so fussed about wrong legs because it's easy to spot from ringside or line-up? What about the conformation faults, crooked movers, blemishes they don't see, never mind the finer points of way of going - overbent animals, scampering gallops, poor transitions, and the lack of a relaxed jaw, still head carriage, proper engagement of the hindlegs - if it flicks it's toes and pricks it's easy too many people don't look beyond that! Judges aren't fools (well not many of them) - they just may have a more balanced overall view! You keep your rosette and be proud Overbent, you had the best pony on the day and the judge explained their reasons. Ponies aren't machines and if it was only about the correct leg than why don't I win all the time?
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Post by rubyshoes1 on Aug 2, 2007 9:50:11 GMT
Surely it is not for the jockey of a wrong legged pony to feel bad, The judge "Judged" and if it was a bad decision it is for them to get the flack. Some days as a jockey you get lucky days and sometimes you get unlucky ones!!
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Post by Guestless on Aug 2, 2007 10:17:14 GMT
I think it depends on the circumstances as to how acceptable a wrong leg is. If it's a novice or junior ridden class and everything else goes well, then I can forgive a wrong leg, particularly if the incorrect lead is from a pony that is head and shoulders above the rest. In a HOYS/Olympia or other championship class, however, I feel a wrong leg should put the pony out of contention unless the other entrants aren't of a suitable quality (which would be unusual IMO). I had a wrong leg in an open final last year and the rest of my individual show was great, but I wasn't asked to strip my pony and I felt that was correct in the circumstances. I can remember winning a Fell class on a wrong leg and feeling embarrassed as I know the 2nd placed pony did a better show. I also had a 3rd in a novice class with a wrong leg this year, but I could accept that as it was a novice class and the rest of the show had gone well. At the end of the day you pay your entry fee for the judge's decision - you may not like it, but unless you want to put in an official complaint against your own placing, then you accept it.
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Post by Racehorseman on Aug 2, 2007 11:12:56 GMT
I am sure very few people would give it back but l must say l would be more controlled than to stick two fingers up at the deathly glares, they can glare all they like and they can all have opinions, but if l was judged to be the best on the day then so be it. So l guess number two without the rudeness of sticking two fingers up at someone would be me...
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Post by Wrong leg on Aug 2, 2007 11:41:28 GMT
i won the novice m and m class this year @ Cheshire county on the wrong leg ...but to be fair the set show we were given was bit confusing for baby ponies ...out of the top six pulled ( i was pulled top )three either went on wrong leg or humped etc ....i was surprised to stay top but the judge came to me and said he stood out a mile in the class and that i was lucky on the day that other ponies did similar mistakes ....but yes was a bit embarrassed ...after the championship the judge said he was the best in the ring but couldnt have given me champion as he had gone on the wrong leg in his class and the other ponies in the champ didnt ...which was fair enough to me ! I was in the same class as you ferret & also wrong legged it!! Your pony is beautiful though, and the judge had it spot on - he stood out a mile
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Post by baz on Aug 2, 2007 12:21:32 GMT
I would agree that striking off on the wrong leg should not necessarily be penalised if corrected early especially if its a young pony/horse learning its craft, but all to often I have seen competitors on a stunning pony merrily cantering around the ring oblivious to the fact that they're wrong legging it to the accompaniment of Mum's calling out in a somewhat hushed but clear voice "WRONG LEG" to their offspring in the hope the judge hasn't heard or unbelievably 'hadn't noticed'!!!!!
In this scenario I believe this should be punished, because in many cases it is the only way young riders will learn the errors of there ways and to realise why they are being moved down the line. Ridden performance must be a big consideration in a judge's verdict, and I am often disappointed when the classiest pony or horse in the ring can still win despite putting in a very poor show in front of the judge. This can't be right.
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Post by thatsshowing on Aug 3, 2007 8:33:35 GMT
I have to say as a judge & exhibitor in novice classes a wrong leg that was quickly corrected within a well balanced show wouldnt bother me if i thought the pony was a true in everything else i was looking for. Many spectators are very hung up on stuff getting well and truly dumped for hitting a wrong leg but in reality i would rather see something strike of wrong and quickly correct it then see something go round with its head on its chest or not bending and tanking around the corners. Obviously the situatiion is different if ponies canter continually on the wrong leg or won't come back from it etc but so often a wrong leg is such a 'mere' blip in a show that most judges will just take of 3 or 4 marks for it which if the pony is good enough can often make up for in its conformation or only drop a place or 2. Obviously all of this is down to circumstances like what else is in the class, how the pony strips and what the rest of the show is like but generally people get hung up on wrong legs when in my opinion there are a lot worse things out there. However i do think in open qualifiers or when the standard is very high a pony shouldnt neccisairly be standing top with a wrong leg. But if you win on a wrong leg it is not your fault, it's never a riders intention to go on a wrong leg so i don't think people who win on them should be as slated as they so often are on here. I think the views above are interesting to see when so many times i have seen riders ripped to pieces on here because they won on a wrong leg when it is not down to them where the judge chooses to place them! As for the votes above, i would and have felt embarassed when i have won on a wrong leg but at the same time i know it is not my fault, i dont have to reason why i was placed their that is the judges job and i also know there are many times i should have won when i havent so in my opinion everyone has a bit of luck at some point. That's showing for you.
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Post by RH on Aug 3, 2007 18:40:13 GMT
I believe there should be a set penelty in HOYS classes, then once again it is a level playing feild A wrong strike-off is an impefection but usually down to jockey error . This made me giggle as my Riding Horse recently wrong legged it for the judge and she didnt notice, even continued to ask for the extension, I stayed 2nd. I felt awful accepting the rossete, though luckiy it was a small novice class.
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Post by ferret on Aug 3, 2007 22:00:52 GMT
i won the novice m and m class this year @ Cheshire county on the wrong leg ...but to be fair the set show we were given was bit confusing for baby ponies ...out of the top six pulled ( i was pulled top )three either went on wrong leg or humped etc ....i was surprised to stay top but the judge came to me and said he stood out a mile in the class and that i was lucky on the day that other ponies did similar mistakes ....but yes was a bit embarrassed ...after the championship the judge said he was the best in the ring but couldnt have given me champion as he had gone on the wrong leg in his class and the other ponies in the champ didnt ...which was fair enough to me ! I was in the same class as you ferret & also wrong legged it!! Your pony is beautiful though, and the judge had it spot on - he stood out a mile thankyou 'wrong leg' for the compliment
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