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Post by 2connies on Jun 5, 2014 20:16:24 GMT
Thinking of trying an ergonomic leather girth for a native with forward girth groove following recommendation from saddle fitter. Wondered what opinions were on using one in native pony showing classes? Would they look right and acceptable....or frowned upon? Anyone out there use one and can give an opinion on them generally? Thanks for any comments.
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Post by Philippa on Jun 5, 2014 21:34:26 GMT
Saddle fitter told my friend to use one and it pulled the saddle further forward. Regarding using one in the ring, hmmm, they aren't the prettiest but if it keeps the saddle in place (hopefully)
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Post by 2connies on Jun 5, 2014 21:49:54 GMT
Hmm...does'nt sound promising ..: ( Maybe look and see if there's a conventional one that might do a job! Perhaps someone could suggest one.Tekna make one with a wide part to protect the sternum which might work.
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Post by sbloom on Jun 6, 2014 8:22:38 GMT
It can be tricky to keep saddles back on natives but in over 5 years of fitting I've had to suggest a curved girth to only maybe 2 customers. The right fitting saddle and a point strap does the job.
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Post by 2connies on Jun 6, 2014 18:17:54 GMT
It can be tricky to keep saddles back on natives but in over 5 years of fitting I've had to suggest a curved girth to only maybe 2 customers. The right fitting saddle and a point strap does the job. Hi sbloom...believe we have saddle fit as good as possible now.It was made to measure 6 months ago and checked again this week but girth still finds its way to forward girth groove.Was thinking of trying an ergo girth but maybe not right for showing in native classes. Do you know of any girths that are ' non slip' and could help? Wondered about a Pro Choice? (By the way I posted this earlier but seems to have disappeared!)
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Post by aura on Jun 6, 2014 22:01:56 GMT
Have you tried something other than leather? We have a black girth for one of our natives that is not leather and I've found it stays exactly in place.
We show at County standard also
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Post by sbloom on Jun 7, 2014 10:57:19 GMT
The girth will go to the girth groove, is it pulling the saddle forwards? If not then I woudln't worry, many natives have the girth coming out almost from the front of the saddle.
If the saddle is being brought forwards, I honestly believe that the definition of a saddle that truly fits is one that doesn't move - as I say, once in a blue moon I've suggested an ergonomic girth but usually there are other solutions - more upswept panel at the back if it's the HQs pushing it forwards, a flatter tree if it is just the tiniest bit unstable, a bit lower in front if it is a fraction cantle low....there are so many reasons a saddle can move forwards. We even have specific places that we flock at the front of a saddle to help keep it back.
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Post by 2connies on Jun 7, 2014 11:04:08 GMT
Have you tried something other than leather? We have a black girth for one of our natives that is not leather and I've found it stays exactly in place. We show at County standard also Actually have been looking at the ' Professional's Choice ' girth which seems to get good reviews.I'm satisfied that we have the best fit we can get for the saddle itself,which is made to measure anyway and checked up to date,so think I will buy one of these girths and see how it performs. Apparently,the P Choice girths don't need to be tightened up so much which would be a nice change from the current one in use. Not cheap at £58 but worth a try I fancy.
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Post by canbuttry on Jun 9, 2014 14:32:07 GMT
Hi we use a ergonomic girth from Black Country saddle on both a show pony and a palomino sec b and the don't look bad at all ! The show pony qualified for the RI in his . The sec b has done the winter champs in hers .
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Post by 2connies on Jun 9, 2014 20:49:21 GMT
Sounds interesting,will check on that. Meanwhile have ordered a Pro Choice one to see how it goes... even if we only use it for every day. If it does'nt look right forshowing maybe the ergo one from BC ciuld be a goer.
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Post by samjl on Jun 13, 2014 15:13:41 GMT
I use them all the time and have qualified for the last two seasons, Open M&M and LR and SHP LR for RIHS and HOYS and have never had any negative comments. Saddle Company are the best IMO, they are very discreet and a brilliant shape.
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Post by 2connies on Jun 13, 2014 21:05:00 GMT
Thats very interesting samjl. I did get a Pro Choice and it seems very comfy but not sure we would show in it.....will take a look at the Saddle Company one.
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Post by StephWheway on Jun 13, 2014 21:29:07 GMT
Fiona Cork showing do a lovely girth - designed to free the ponies movement. Definitely worth a look and Fiona Cork shows in the ring with them - they are a work of art!!
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Post by showingforfun on Jun 13, 2014 21:40:35 GMT
We use a black county one on both ponies and show one and do dressage with the other. We had the problem of a made to measure saddle rolling but since using this girth things have improved dramatically. They are not cheap at £130 but if looked after properly should last a life time so I think it is money well spent.
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Post by showingforfun on Jun 13, 2014 21:42:20 GMT
We use a black county one on both ponies and show one and do dressage with the other. We had the problem of a made to measure saddle rolling but since using this girth things have improved dramatically. They are not cheap at £130 but if looked after properly should last a life time so I think it is money well spent. By the way-ours do not have elastic on either end so helps keep saddle in place better.
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Post by sjw87 on Jun 13, 2014 21:47:43 GMT
I have a paul jones one like this: www.pauljonessaddles.co.uk/90300/info.php?p=4&pid=5508981&ack=9but without the d ring. Lovely girth but my mare hated it (very quirky girl and she actually prefers a balding girth which in theory she shouldn't!) so if anyone ia after a 50" one, pm me :-) Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by 2connies on Jun 15, 2014 17:09:50 GMT
Some really useful information above my thanks to all. Sjw87,why did your mare object to the Paul Jones one?
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Post by 2connies on Jun 15, 2014 17:17:31 GMT
Fiona Cork showing do a lovely girth - designed to free the ponies movement. Definitely worth a look and Fiona Cork shows in the ring with them - they are a work of art!! Steph,do you have a link to the Fiona Clark girths please?
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Post by sjw87 on Jun 15, 2014 18:17:08 GMT
Some really useful information above my thanks to all. Sjw87,why did your mare object to the Paul Jones one? She's an incredibly sensitive, quirky mare and has a forward girth groove along with being croup high (never turned into the top horse she was bred to be but has a home for life with me!). A made to measure saddle caused her to rear over backwards so we settled for my old, battered saddle which she accepts. I was recommended an ergonomic girth to help with the forward girth groove and the fact that being wide and padded, it would distribute pressure nicely, hopefully making her more comfortable and less girthy that with a standard leather girth. What I found with her was that as it was wider, whilst she was happier to be girthed, she shortened her stride and backed off the leg due to the increased width behind her elbows and under her sternum. She's exactly the same with a synthetic girth such as a thorowgood or wintec. Instead, she moves better and is happier going forwards in a balding girth as it's much thinner. She's awful to girth up with it as pressure is more concentrated but much happier overall. Ps. before anyone suggests it, she has already been treated for ulcers and it's behavioural now :-) Sent from my GT-I9195 using proboards
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Post by 2connies on Jun 15, 2014 19:26:54 GMT
Hmm if only they could talk to us and tell us what's going on!
At least you seem to have got her reasonably comfortable now which is good.
I think in the case of our mare,she might be ok in this ProChoice one....it seems very soft and comfy on the underside.
Neverthless, I'm not convinced it will look right for showing and may end up forking out more money for one of the ones mentioned above! Although at the end of the day it's what this mare is comfortable in and goes best in that really matters.
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Post by samjl on Jun 16, 2014 15:02:04 GMT
If you message me your email I can send you some photos so you can get an idea of how they look in the ring or if you are at any shows we were at you would be more than welcome to have a look or try one. There are photos on my website equestriansolutions.info
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Post by 2connies on Jun 17, 2014 17:41:46 GMT
Thank you,have sent you pm.
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Post by Guestless on Jun 17, 2014 18:19:05 GMT
I use double elastic leather girths (AH Saddles) in the ring - it sits in the girth groove as suggested by sbloom above, but saddles don't shift. I think the mistake can sometimes be to try to place the girth further back, but I always let it settle in the groove before tightening on both sides.
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Post by 2connies on Jun 17, 2014 20:38:11 GMT
The D mare is like that... we dont attempt to put the girth anywhere other than the forward girth groove but saddle stays put. Daughter takes ages though to finally get the right tightness before doing any serious rding.
Its the Connemara we are experimenting with though.She seems ok in the Pro Choice girth we bought and saddle stays in place. It has a soft neoprene type underside which the pony seems fine with.However,this girth has a small logo with white lettering eiither side which is visible when ridden so does'nt really 100% right for showing imo.
If we could get the same stability with a girth that looks right for showing then I think we'd have cracked it! Dont suppose we will really know unless we try one of the ergonomical suggested above.
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Post by waspblue on Jun 17, 2014 21:35:48 GMT
Have you tried something other than leather? We have a black girth for one of our natives that is not leather and I've found it stays exactly in place. We show at County standard also Actually have been looking at the ' Professional's Choice ' girth which seems to get good reviews.I'm satisfied that we have the best fit we can get for the saddle itself,which is made to measure anyway and checked up to date,so think I will buy one of these girths and see how it performs. Apparently,the P Choice girths don't need to be tightened up so much which would be a nice change from the current one in use. Not cheap at £58 but worth a try I fancy. I use Native Pony girths in the ring and Professionals Choice ones at home on my round Sec D. Both girths are excellent and don't pull saddle one way or the other, nor do they slip. Also have used a Thorowgood Cob Girth which is another that helps to secure a saddle. Hope this helps.
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Post by 2connies on Jun 18, 2014 8:50:58 GMT
Are the the Native Pony girths just normal leather girth? Not a shaped one.? I take it you did'nt conside the Pro Choice suitable for showing either? Had actually considered dyeing the white logos on the PC to make them less noticeable!
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Post by sjw87 on Jun 18, 2014 19:56:03 GMT
I saw a coloured native at cheshire in an anatomical one yesterday - only noticed as had been discussing it on here. It looked tidy and absolutely fine for the ring. Didn't see how they got on in their class as I went to get my boy ready for our class but it really didn't stand out that the girth was different.
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