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Post by ceoshurman on Jul 14, 2014 7:06:22 GMT
Apologies if this in the wrong place - Bit of a dilemma, not sure what are the correct protocols. I have 2 coloured horses which we show maybe twice a month in summer - a few County shows and championship shows, not HOYS standard (may be one could be with the correct regime) but they both hold their own and are never disgraced. I tend to do the day to day stuff with my husband hacking schooling etc he is a far better rider than me and does all the showing, I don't have the skill or the confidence - however due to an operation hes been out of action all season and it likely not to be back fit until the end of the year - I have really missed the days out so on Sunday a friend of the family rode my horse at show. She hadn't ridden for a number of years but really clicked with Sam and despite she only sat on him on they day of the show they went on to win the championship in the ridden class and supreme of the show !! There was a rug, prize money and 2 fantastic sashes and rosettes. I paid for the classes and bought her a photograph, I also gave her the championship sash, rosettes etc but I kept the Supreme stuff money to cover classes and rug. It was an informal arrangement - shes a friend of the family and did not expect anything ( I let her little girl ride my pony so they don't have to pay for lessons).
Here is the problem I would like to ask her to do some more shows and perhaps the CHAPS championships, how should you recompense the Jockey. I would be happy to pay society membership fees. entry fees travelling etc - but I don't have tonnes off money.
I know lots of people have riders who ride for them - is there a correct arrangement -
Thank you in advance for your help.
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Post by Philippa on Jul 14, 2014 7:18:23 GMT
I think the simplest thing is to sit down and discuss it with her. Be open and honest. Tell her you really would like her to ride the horses and you will pay for all expenses relating to memberships and shows etc but you don't want her to feel you are taking advantage and what would she expect or want from you to do this??
I often find that things go wrong due to a breakdown in communication so if you are both clear from the start then hopefully it may eliminate this to a degree and also stress that if either of you aren't happy with a situation you speak up without it having an adverse effect on your friendship.
You will be doing each other a favour by the sounds of it.
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Post by rubik on Jul 14, 2014 19:26:53 GMT
I maybe talking about rhe wrong coloured, was at a show yesterday (local) a coloured native won the supreme with prizes as you describe. I would take it as a privilage to ride such A lovley native. We watched him all afternoon and was willing him to get supreme. Lovley lovley horse.
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Post by kateanne0 on Jul 15, 2014 11:20:56 GMT
I think the simplest thing is to sit down and discuss it with her. Be open and honest. Tell her you really would like her to ride the horses and you will pay for all expenses relating to memberships and shows etc but you don't want her to feel you are taking advantage and what would she expect or want from you to do this?? I often find that things go wrong due to a breakdown in communication so if you are both clear from the start then hopefully it may eliminate this to a degree and also stress that if either of you aren't happy with a situation you speak up without it having an adverse effect on your friendship. You will be doing each other a favour by the sounds of it. Good advice, always be open and willing to meet each other half way. If our jockey is not available due to work commitments and a friend's son/daughter rides the pony for us, they get to keep any prize money they win and the rosettes in the class. Well if we went supreme I'd be delighted, who wouldn't (if only)! Rug is for the pony, so pony should keep it. Big amounts of money can be won in Supremes now, so best to sort an agreement out up front. Obviously, costs are involved on the part of the owner and it's a generous package to pay for memberships for a jockey, etc. I think a percentage of a big prize money win would be suitable for both parties.
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Post by soxsina on Jul 15, 2014 11:42:17 GMT
As said above - you need to discuss it with the jockey first. I ride a few ponies for other people and would expect to have any expenses covered plus make sure you feed your jockey!I do not expect prize money or rosettes as the owner has effectively paid for them but if I put a lot of work into the pony and the owner sold it on the back of that, I would expect to receive some financial reward.
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Post by hack on Jul 15, 2014 12:04:36 GMT
We 'borrowed' a lead rein jockey a couple of years ago. We paid entries and memberships, rosettes went to the jockey, we kept prize money/trophies/sashes.
Sweets and cuddly toys (being lead rein!) went to the jockey.
As said above, discuss up front first, then no surprises.
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Post by ceoshurman on Jul 15, 2014 13:42:40 GMT
I maybe talking about rhe wrong coloured, was at a show yesterday (local) a coloured native won the supreme with prizes as you describe. I would take it as a privilage to ride such A lovley native. We watched him all afternoon and was willing him to get supreme. Lovley lovley horse. We were at a local show in thingytone if it the same show it will have been Sam x
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Post by ceoshurman on Jul 15, 2014 13:44:59 GMT
Ha ha won't let me put the name of the show made me laugh when I read it back show he won at was Legup equestrian x'll
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Post by aura on Jul 15, 2014 17:56:27 GMT
If someone rides mine they keep the prize money and I keep the rosettes.
For borrowed lr jockeys we are going to get them goodie bags
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Post by highlanderlass on Jul 15, 2014 18:10:30 GMT
Definitely discuss it with her, but maybe she is very grateful that you let her wee girl ride your pony and would be more than willing to help as lessons can be expensive.
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Post by rubik on Jul 15, 2014 18:45:55 GMT
Ha ha like thingy tone. Yes was same show, my niece waa 2nd reserve. Well done
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Post by kateanne0 on Jul 16, 2014 9:27:04 GMT
As said above - you need to discuss it with the jockey first. I ride a few ponies for other people and would expect to have any expenses covered plus make sure you feed your jockey!I do not expect prize money or rosettes as the owner has effectively paid for them but if I put a lot of work into the pony and the owner sold it on the back of that, I would expect to receive some financial reward. Yes, don't forget to feed and water the jockey, easily forgotten in the show day rush! I think stand-in jockeys would have to be careful on this one, as getting financial reward on the sale of a pony might mean that they are then not eligible for home produced classes? If the stand-in jockey is a 'professional adult' well a percentage on a sale might be expected if they hadn't already been paid for schooling the pony.
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Post by kateanne0 on Jul 16, 2014 9:27:30 GMT
As said above - you need to discuss it with the jockey first. I ride a few ponies for other people and would expect to have any expenses covered plus make sure you feed your jockey!I do not expect prize money or rosettes as the owner has effectively paid for them but if I put a lot of work into the pony and the owner sold it on the back of that, I would expect to receive some financial reward. Yes, don't forget to feed and water the jockey, easily forgotten in the show day rush! I think stand-in jockeys would have to be careful on this one, as getting financial reward on the sale of a pony might mean that they are then not eligible for home produced classes? If the stand-in jockey is a 'professional adult' well a percentage on a sale might be expected if they hadn't already been paid for schooling the pony.
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Post by stormyskies on Jul 16, 2014 21:31:28 GMT
I pay society memberships, classes, diesel etc and give her lessons. She gets to keep the rosettes, gets fed and watered and enjoys the privilege of riding lovely ponies.I keep prize money.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2014 14:47:42 GMT
I would say rosettes sashes sweets teddies for jockey
Prize cards trophies money rugs for owner
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Post by catkin on Jul 22, 2014 18:49:19 GMT
I rode for a lot of people as a child and I had quite a lot of the prize money (there seemed to be more then) and they had the rosettes. Suited me just fine! With little children they would probably like the rosettes more than an adult. Anyway, I would go ahead and have a discussion. Best to be upfront about these things. She may be very happy just to ride the horse!
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