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Post by QuickQuestion on Jul 28, 2014 12:59:43 GMT
As title says.
Can you teach without the BHS qualifications? I have plenty of years of experience, worked at a riding school etc but it seems such a long road to become a qualified instructor and i would like to start asap.
How much would you pay for lessons with someone taking the exams but had not yet qualified?
Obviously i would get insured to teach- i assume you just need liability insurance?
Can anyone help with some advice?
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Post by honeypot on Jul 28, 2014 13:38:51 GMT
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Post by bigmama on Jul 28, 2014 13:44:09 GMT
Seems rather unfair to those who have gone through the lengthy, testing and expensive course of obtaining recognised qualifications in order to teach as an approved instructor don't you think?
Am I right in thinking that Health & Safety and Child Protection certificates are also a pre-requirement to teaching as well as public liability?
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Post by helle on Jul 28, 2014 14:14:24 GMT
hmmmm, my daughter would like to teach - eventually- she is only 15. BUT she does not like jumping and to do her BHS exam she HAS to jump. So I on the other hand think it is unfair to those who want to teach but not jump can't do the BHS exams and would welcome a different route with open arms
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Post by bigmama on Jul 28, 2014 14:56:13 GMT
hmmmm, my daughter would like to teach - eventually- she is only 15. BUT she does not like jumping and to do her BHS exam she HAS to jump. So I on the other hand think it is unfair to those who want to teach but not jump can't do the BHS exams and would welcome a different route with open arms At 32yrs of age, I didn't relish the thought of jumping again after having a family however, I had the most brilliant and patient trainer in Sue Woods and she took the jumping so slowly, building up the gridwork and smallest of courses until we were begging to jump something bigger and away we went ... best comments from my exams? "Fabulous jumping, you're best section"
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Post by titch on Jul 28, 2014 15:39:55 GMT
hmmmm, my daughter would like to teach - eventually- she is only 15. BUT she does not like jumping and to do her BHS exam she HAS to jump. So I on the other hand think it is unfair to those who want to teach but not jump can't do the BHS exams and would welcome a different route with open arms They should do a flat teaching and a jump part. If you don't want to teach it why should you have to be able to?
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Post by lampshade on Jul 29, 2014 9:50:53 GMT
I think anyone who wants to be a riding instructor should be able to ride including jumping. I would not go to an instructor who only did flatwork. But that's just my opionion.
Its like saying I'm a chef but I don't/won't cook potatoes.......
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Post by waspblue on Jul 29, 2014 11:23:55 GMT
Seems rather unfair to those who have gone through the lengthy, testing and expensive course of obtaining recognised qualifications in order to teach as an approved instructor don't you think? Am I right in thinking that Health & Safety and Child Protection certificates are also a pre-requirement to teaching as well as public liability? I agree, although I do know that you can even run your own riding school these days without even being a fully qualified AI, or having one on site permanently, which amazes me in these times of litigation. I only know this as I know someone who has done it, and apparently because they have taught in a RS before, the hours they have done equal the AI certification according to the local council licensing officer.
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Post by titch on Jul 29, 2014 15:39:28 GMT
I think anyone who wants to be a riding instructor should be able to ride including jumping. I would not go to an instructor who only did flatwork. But that's just my opionion. Its like saying I'm a chef but I don't/won't cook potatoes....... I think it is more like saying I am a pastry chef but not a head chef. A pastry chef can probably cook everything but chooses not too. Lol!
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Post by CarolineNelson on Jul 29, 2014 17:29:07 GMT
in a nutshell (to continue the foodie theme!) anyone can profess to be a "teacher".
But without the Qualification, the Child Protection Certfication, the 1st Aid Certification and, crucially a lifelong history of real experience in the field, they would be treading a very fine line. Unfortunately, like it or loathe it, the i's have to be dotted and the t's crossed these days.
To be frank, it makes absolutely no difference to one's ability to impart knowledge and give confidence, but you do have the support of Insurance and the approval of an administrative body.
Well, that's the theory, anyway!
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Post by honeypot on Jul 29, 2014 18:48:57 GMT
Some of the most insightful lessons I have had and seen given have been taught by people with no paper qualifications and some of the most disheartening by someone who had an equine qualification but had no gift of communication and really no aptitude for teaching yet they where senior assessor in one of the equine qualification boards. The best most fun lessons that I have had have been given by a FBHS, who would ride a anything from a M&M to a Grand Prix dressage horse, and teach those who were just starting out to riders aiming for the British teams. To be fair I haven't looked at a BHS syllabus for a long time, but when I did much of it was spent on set lessons and the mechanics of riding where as in so many sports now the science of muscle memory, the development of body awareness and the phycology of sport are taught as well as the skills. I have a friend who has ridden and taught all her adult life but never got the paperwork, for a job she was paid to do some of the BHS exams, which she passed with ease. She will never teach she has no longer the joy for it, so many pass their teaching exams but never really want to teach, its just a way to earn money as a living so they can ride. I have been to many a workshop over the years were a top rider have passed on their theories but some of the teaching has been dubious but they have I assume been covered by their societies or venues insurance.
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Post by mandmgirl0164 on Jul 30, 2014 14:15:53 GMT
I'm guessing that some of the top trainers who are/have been top competition riders, won't have any paper qualifications of any sort, but will have received high quality tuition from a wide variety of people on their way to the top.
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Post by Very Realistic on Jul 30, 2014 17:38:06 GMT
I have ridden and been involved with ponies and horses all my life (pony club, BHS eventing as it was, hunting etc). I now find it unbelievable the number of self professed experts that we now see promoting themselves on Facebook and other social media as the next best thing to Yogi Breisner. Many of these "experts" have no qualifications and their only claim to fame may be that they rode a rather nice pony/horse at the RI or at "county" level courtesy of their parents cheque book. My daughter is (i am sure) not going to be the next Pippa Funnel but she is (I hope) going to be a very nice rider with a good sound knowledge of horse care etc courtesy of some excellent instruction from a BHSII instructor and a BE Eventing coach who has been on the British Team! Perhaps if your daughter is so nervous to leave the ground she perhaps needs to think of a change of career (unless she is of course the next Charlotte Dujardin). A good all round instructor needs to have a sound basic knowledge and experience in all disciplines!
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Post by sarahp on Jul 31, 2014 6:18:49 GMT
Regardless of the actual teaching side, I just wonder what the insurance position is for someone teaching who has no qualifications? We are in an age of suing on every eventuality it seems.
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Post by Just a thought on Jul 31, 2014 8:22:47 GMT
I think anyone who wants to be a riding instructor should be able to ride including jumping. I would not go to an instructor who only did flatwork. But that's just my opionion. Its like saying I'm a chef but I don't/won't cook potatoes....... I don't agree, if you have a specialist instructor, they can surely give you better instruction in their area of specialism. You wouldn't go to Carl Hester and expecta jumping lesson surely?!
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Post by fanfarefan on Jul 31, 2014 13:13:15 GMT
aside from the insurance side of this matter , i personally would rather be taught by someone who had years , knowledge and experience on their side , than someone who had just qualified with a piece of paper , nothing can replace someone who has been there and got the t-shirt , im not dissing qualifications but the experience gained through a life of working with horses is what can make a good teacher
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Post by Philippa on Jul 31, 2014 14:28:26 GMT
I agree FFF, I prefer NOT to teach but people do ask me if i will, I have no qualifications on paper but I was taught by my mother (who taught the 4 Whitaker brothers to ride) in turn I myself worked for John Whitaker, Graham Fletcher & Carl Edwards, all 3 previous Olympic riders, I rode flat & NH horses in this country was 2nd travelling head lass and work rode in the USA. I have bred my own ponies for the last 20 years, competed since i was a child in all disciplines but mainly SJ & Showing.
The vast knowledge I have gained from my experiences in these fields enable me to help others as and when but the last thing I have is any want or inclination to get my AI and teach.
People are too quick to diss people with no qualifications but to be honest you gain more from hands on experience than you ever will out of a book. My humble opinion of course.
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Post by Dipsy on Jul 31, 2014 14:38:10 GMT
On the flip side, all because you have the qualifications too doesn't mean that you will be the best instructor.....
Experience and results does count for alot too.
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Post by nici on Jul 31, 2014 16:44:54 GMT
My daughter's riding instructor is not BHS qualified. She is a freelance instructor and is fully insured. She is very experienced, has competed successfully at high level and most importantly of all has a genuine gift for communicating with children, so that they enjoy their lessons and learn a lot too.
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Post by brindlerainbow on Jul 31, 2014 17:36:56 GMT
As long as the instructor is experienced in their field then it really doesn't matter if they have a qualification or not. If I wanted a jumping lesson I would go to someone with BSJA or eventing experience, if I wanted a dressage lesson then I would go to a dressage specialist. Having a teaching qualification doesn't necessarily make the person a good teacher.
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