Confused & insulted
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Post by Confused & insulted on Aug 1, 2014 15:41:33 GMT
How does a horse win amateur mwt hunter today, yet compete yesterday in the open class with a producer riding
Rules are rules and don't they state "....within the year... The amateur horse should not be shown by a professional"
So why did this happen?
Makes a mockery of SHB and insults the true amateurs who tried their hearts out today and rode so well
SHB this is not acceptable
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fernwhitecharity
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Post by fernwhitecharity on Aug 1, 2014 15:45:45 GMT
Put your money down.
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Confused & insulted
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Post by Confused & insulted on Aug 1, 2014 16:32:40 GMT
Done - with another competitor, who felt equally insulted
Showing is showing and on the day is The day but this is a clear breach and completely unfair
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Post by aura on Aug 1, 2014 17:20:30 GMT
depends on who the person was that qualified said horse for RIHS. The rules are state that the rider needs to be an amateur (which they are) other than one slightly confusing rule. It states the following- 'Show a horse that a professional rider has qualified in the weight or the small ridden hunter class for either HOYS or RIHS during the current year, unless the horse has been re-registered under new ownership'.
to me, this reads that if the amateur rider qualified the horse for RIHS for say the open and the amateur class a professional can ride the horse in the open as it was the amateur that qualified the animal.
i may be wrong however
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Post by flo1 on Aug 1, 2014 17:32:26 GMT
That's showing i'm afraid. Unfortunately some people think more of a red rosette than Sportsmanship.
It may be withing the rules but unsporting all the same.
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Post by fernwhitecharity on Aug 1, 2014 18:01:45 GMT
Will you post the reply to you complaint? Will be interesting to see.
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Post by Pepper on Aug 1, 2014 19:36:22 GMT
I was in this class and baffled by it
The rule a I, and many others in the class understand, are that an horse contesting.amateurs can not be ridden by a professional at all that season. Once a pro has ridden it it cannot contest and compete in amateurs.
Otherwise I too could have had a pro ride my horse yesterday on the open, and then taken it myself in the amateurs.
Il be interested in outcome too. What I do known is that the mwt winner did not contest the championship.
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Post by splash30 on Aug 2, 2014 5:50:09 GMT
I do have to confess I have entered the amateur class, without reading the rules, im a true amateur home produced just a pro rides at a show as I get too nervous (was going to suck it up for RHIS) but something made me read the rules this week and I realised the pro rule so will not be taking my boy Im angry with myself for not reading them initally and wasting £50 (but hey im still going shopping!) But it will be interesting what pro horses are still in the class as I will say something too.
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Post by youngedward on Aug 2, 2014 20:05:20 GMT
I'm Edward Young and I produce the horse. The owner broke 3 toes last week when on holiday in Cornwall. She has ridden the horse at all his shows this year, not because of the amateur rules but because she loves to show him. Whilst on holiday she was concerned about riding the horse in two classes at the RIHS. She couldn't get internet service to check the rules and didn't have a rule book with her so she rang the shgb office and was told that I could show him without ruling her out of the amateurs. At the show on Wednesday she made the decision not to ride in the open. I did ask if it was ok for me to ride in the open and her in the amateurs and she told me about the phone call. I also had in mind the rules as mentioned by senior member above. As it turns out they were last year's rules The horse was unplaced in the open and only went in because the owner wanted to see him. Also our farrier had made some shoes for the best shod and it seemed a shame not to put him in. We then put him into the amateur class in good faith. He won but shortly after the class we were made aware of this year's rule which does prohibit what we did. We were horrified and withdrew from the championship. We have also apologised to the rider of the horse placed second. She's a lovely lady and has been really understanding about it. Shgb are investigating the matter. Whilst I accept that it is my responsibility to know the rules it was an error made in good faith, after making a phone call. It was made in the full glare of people here and was always going to be noticed, we weren't trying to pull a "fast one'. I hope that people who know me would know that to do so isn't in my nature. Under the new rules I could have spent all day on the horse outside the ring but not inside. The mistake has spoilt the owner's show and has caused us a lot of upset. Had we known the situation he wouldn't have done the open. I should add that I'm not implying any criticism of shgb. It was most likely a case of crossed wires. They have been understanding about the situation and as I said are launching an internal investigation. I am sorry for any distress caused to any other competitors.
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Post by mf on Aug 2, 2014 20:15:31 GMT
How refreshingly honest to have someone come on here and put the full version of events and apologise to all involved.
I don't have a hunter and didn't known about or watch the class but thought how nice to read the post above for once.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Aug 3, 2014 6:47:45 GMT
How refreshingly honest to have someone come on here and put the full version of events and apologise to all involved. I don't have a hunter and didn't known about or watch the class but thought how nice to read the post above for once. Indeed it is (refreshingly honest). Which goes to show that leaping on social media - criticising without knowledge of the facts is unjust, unneccessary but sadly endorses the nature of too many people today.
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Post by In fairness on Aug 3, 2014 7:23:03 GMT
Eloquent and genuine as ever Edward. As I read your post I could almost picture your cap in hand folding it in genuine humble apology.
But in fairness Caroline don't be too harsh on the OP or social media. I imagine, 99% of us would have been mighty miffed at the rule break. No announcement was made to say "placings under question" "stewards enquiry" - the RIHS website still has shows the class results as judged, and not everyone knows Team Young well enough, or would perhaps wished, to approach producer or owner to ask on the day.
This is an example in a bizarre way, where social media can be good. Op posted their grief, and as a consequence an open and full explanation has been given.
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Post by catkin on Aug 3, 2014 8:53:29 GMT
Well done Edward. You may have erred, but at least you had the balls to come on here and make a statement. What I always wonder is why, if people are so adamant that rules are being broken, they don't have a quiet word in the collecting ring before the class starts, when the see who is presenting themselves? Would seem a whole lot more straightforward.
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Post by Pepper on Aug 3, 2014 8:57:03 GMT
Thank you Edward for coming on here and openly clarifying the situation. I think you've gone above and beyond and it is refreshing to read. Also as a competitor in the class it good to know the fact as well as I did wonder at the time
That's said I also think the OP criticism is more aimed at SHB?
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Post by Guestless on Aug 3, 2014 11:23:03 GMT
Thank you for coming on Edward and explaining the situation. It appears an honest mistake was made which was rectified by all concerned as quickly as possible. With that in mind, I see no reason for this thread to continue so I am locking it.
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Post by Guestless on Aug 4, 2014 15:15:27 GMT
As a slight add on to this thread, I have had a PM from a member advising the following: I suggest if anyone is unclear about the rules, then study them carefully or call SHB yourselves for clarification but it would have been irresponsible not to post the above quote in case what has been said caused someone to make an error of judgement.
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