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Post by flair1 on Oct 14, 2014 10:56:05 GMT
Olibell stud, breeding riding ponies and coloureds for quality and temperament.
Im beginning to think its just me and that the horsey world is avoiding my adverts or there invisible and only i can see them lol, but is anyone else feeling absolutely hopeless over selling their horses and ponies. If you are please tell me your concerns it might make me feel better if some of you are going through the same as me lol. I know the horse market is down at the moment, but seriously people are spending more on kittens and puppies, what is going on, someone please enlighten me lol x
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Post by richvale on Oct 14, 2014 11:02:00 GMT
Hi flair1, you are not alone. I have a lovely section b filly foal (cheap) and I have tried selling my beautiful 5 year old broodmare, that I would now would be willing to give away to a suitable home. I just don't know what is going on. I said to my OH that may be we should go into breeding puppies!!! Lol.
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Post by flair1 on Oct 14, 2014 11:08:08 GMT
Olibell stud, breeding riding ponies and coloureds for quality and temperament.
yep dog breeding is the way forward lol, also in my area you cant buy a kitten for love nor money, people seem to name their price just for moggie kittens and within 2 hours of a litter being advertised there sold, took me months to finally be able to buy a kitten i couldnt believe it, lol x
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Post by sjw87 on Oct 14, 2014 11:26:02 GMT
I honestly think that less people are buying youngstock, particularly ponies.
It's less risky financially to buy something backed/ready to back than buy a foal/yearling/2yo, pay to keep it until ready to back, hope it makes the right height and doesn't injure itself and aquire blemishes in the meantime.
A lot of the breeders I know are trying to sell as foals and if not sold keeping, backing and then selling.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 14, 2014 12:12:48 GMT
I have two already broken here I can't sell, not that fussed as I have the room to run them on so not advertising heavily but it seems a shame and a waste of two good children's ponies who need children to love now.
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Post by semperfi on Oct 14, 2014 12:42:22 GMT
I know the horse market is down at the moment, but seriously people are spending more on kittens and puppies, what is going on, someone please enlighten me lol x I have just spent more than £3k on a kitten, and sold two horses to pay for it!! 16 years ago I bought my WB, paying £2000 for him. He was a very naughty 4yo that had been backed about a week, put me in hospital regularly and probably wouldn't have passed a vetting!! He was considered 'cheap' for what he was (price tag for similar horses at the time was around £4k) Admittedly he was well bred, but as a gelding this was kind of irrelevant. Today if I wanted to buy a similar horse, I could spend less than £500 (or probably find one free to a good home!). How does that work - aren't things meant to get more expensive over time?? 5 years ago I sold a foal for £3000 - they paid a deposit over the phone without even looking at him in the flesh. No spectacular breeding, just a nice all-rounder type. Last year I sold a beautifully bred and well put together foal for £1200 after approx 20 viewings/time wasters, and a vetting!
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Post by maisie23 on Oct 14, 2014 13:58:15 GMT
I just wish advertisers would put photos on their adverts, really puts me off when they don't and half the time people describe them as hoys quality when they are clearly not. I saw a lovely advert the other day that described every single fault of the pony with lots of pictures I for one would much rather buy something with small faults as long as suitable for purpose than be lied too I feel people are buying more through word of mouth these days to prevent being ripped off
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Post by Toaster on Oct 14, 2014 14:02:51 GMT
I just wish advertisers would put photos on their adverts, really puts me off when they don't and half the time people describe them as hoys quality when they are clearly not. I think a nice clear picture of a horse side on always helps. pics of a horse in a muddy field in a combo obviously aren't any good, nor are heads over stable doors or worse - no picture at all! This means someone can tell at a quick glance whether they are interested and cuts out requests for photos from people who may or may not be interested
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Post by nici on Oct 14, 2014 14:14:18 GMT
I have a Shetland pony for sale, oozes quality, lovely breeding, done very well inhand as a youngster, but I just don't have the time to break her to drive, which was my plan, and my daughter is too big for her and has no interest in showing her inhand. But everyone wants a bombproof, fully registered pony that their 2 year old can handle and show at county level, free or very cheap (by which they mean £50-£100!!!) She lives out with my other good doers and I have plenty of grazing, so she can stay with me until I can find her a home that will appreciate her properly.
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Post by flair1 on Oct 14, 2014 19:07:49 GMT
Olibell stud, breeding riding ponies and coloureds for quality and temperament.
Yes nici, thats exactly what my babies will be doing, they will be staying with me, im not letting well bred, good natured, top quality ponies go for pocket money, that i have bred and put my heart and sole into them, to bring them up with impeccable manners and easy to handle, for someone to have for vertually nothing. if people dont want to pay what there worth then they stay. Im sick of people wanting a horse or pony to be able to do everything but dont want to pay. i had a lady tell me she could pay £20-£40 for a pony like mine in the sales, so why would she buy mine, so i very calmly and politely said to her "good luck".
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Post by sjw87 on Oct 14, 2014 19:13:30 GMT
Had a quick nose at your website and the front page says it's a while since it's been updated which may potentially help if updated :-)
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Post by 5874julie on Oct 14, 2014 19:27:52 GMT
well i am looking for a new pony and fully expecting to pay a hefty price for what i want! any of you have a 14.2 connie or forest (not a grey!) cluttering up your stables?
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Post by lisadundee on Oct 14, 2014 19:37:39 GMT
We had our PBW 2 year old filly advertised for a few months with really good pictures for £800, we had no interested and then two buyers in one week practically fighting over her! I think if your photos are good and your not overpriced for the quality your selling then there is still a market for quality but at the right price
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Post by dogandbone on Oct 14, 2014 19:40:26 GMT
To anyone who is thinking of going into dog breeding instead of horses / ponies - Believe you and me, it is not easy this year either!! I have been a hobby breeder for more years than I like to remember, and this year for the first time, I have no waiting list for my pedigree pups!! Not sure that this helps anyone trying to sell beautiful ponies and horses, but maybe it helps to know that you are not breeding the wrong type of animal!! Maybe we all ought to stop breeding animals - though I only have one litter every 2 years or so!! Perhaps cats is the way to go ?
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Post by Philippa on Oct 14, 2014 19:42:32 GMT
Well to be honest it's just right place right time!!!
When my LR went lame in July I started my mission to find another pony for Maisie to continue riding. I was prepared to pay a hefty price for the 'right' pony. I enquired about several ranging from £2500 to £5000. Some were already at the top of their game others were not quite so advanced and some were just not what they were advertised as!!!
I was interested in one in particular which was advertised at around £3500, when I asked if there was any negotiation on price I was bluntly told no !!! Said pony had shown but not qualified etc, I politely didn't go view pony!!! I bought a different pony at a fraction of the cost which has already been to HOYS. A proven pony!!
The other pony is still for sale 3 months on at a reduced price of £2500 Ono. Why do people not just accept that in this day and age even £100 off would be attractive. I'd probably of offered £3000 and expected to pay £3250 had it been suitable but for greed they are still stuck with pony!!!! That goes for several I enquired about.
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Post by flair1 on Oct 14, 2014 19:51:46 GMT
Olibell stud, breeding riding ponies and coloureds for quality and temperament.
lol sjw87 i havent updated for ages been so busy, but my Olibell Stud facebook page is updated all the time. but yes my website is on my to do list which is about a mile long at the moment lol x
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Post by flair1 on Oct 14, 2014 19:58:04 GMT
Olibell stud, breeding riding ponies and coloureds for quality and temperament.
Im glad i started this thread, you have all made me feel alot better today and brought a smile to my face reading your posts, so thankyou all, and keep them coming xx
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Post by sarahp on Oct 14, 2014 20:39:32 GMT
Am I the only one who so much prefers a website to a FB page when checking out a stud? A website is usually organised and captioned, when FB pages are usually neither.
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Post by smalley on Oct 14, 2014 21:20:51 GMT
We bred a couple of lovely ponies from my Welsh A quite a few years ago with the plan that I could break them, but I shot up and have been taller than 5'5 since I was about 10 so too big for 12hh ponies! One we have lightly advertised since she was 5 and only sold her this year aged 9, nobody was interested because she's a show pony type but not HOYS material so considered too flighty to be a childrens pony, when in fact she is brilliant and a great confidence giver!! We also recently sold my brothers horse as he has gone to uni and he was sold within a few weeks, I think it's just a case of the right person coming along at the right time.
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Post by daisycutter on Oct 14, 2014 21:26:14 GMT
We at the Chagford stud are also glad you started this thread, we are also running our two filly foals on, they are to beautiful to let go for peanuts.
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Post by pipandflo on Oct 14, 2014 22:01:20 GMT
We're looking for a M&M whp around 143cm, been miles, too big, too small, obviously not sound, both ones we liked have failed vet. The Internet has been a good friend for letting cats out of bags (never stopped but eliminated xc!). We are serious buyers but our budget can't increase magically when we're spending £'s travelling and vetting but the usual flush of ponies for sale in the autumn doesn't appear to have happened this year.
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Post by Philippa on Oct 15, 2014 6:11:58 GMT
We're looking for a M&M whp around 143cm, been miles, too big, too small, obviously not sound, both ones we liked have failed vet. The Internet has been a good friend for letting cats out of bags (never stopped but eliminated xc!). We are serious buyers but our budget can't increase magically when we're spending £'s travelling and vetting but the usual flush of ponies for sale in the autumn doesn't appear to have happened this year. Your right there hasn't been a sudden influx of ponies for sale this year but you will find that's due to the fact that last winter was very mild, people had already thinned numbers prior to this and this winter is looking favourable for us horsey peeps again too.
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Post by semperfi on Oct 15, 2014 10:40:10 GMT
To anyone who is thinking of going into dog breeding instead of horses / ponies - Believe you and me, it is not easy this year either!! I have been a hobby breeder for more years than I like to remember, and this year for the first time, I have no waiting list for my pedigree pups!! Not sure that this helps anyone trying to sell beautiful ponies and horses, but maybe it helps to know that you are not breeding the wrong type of animal!! Maybe we all ought to stop breeding animals - though I only have one litter every 2 years or so!! Perhaps cats is the way to go ? Someone in our village has a puppy farm (think 50ish dogs) - they are very overpriced (£650 for a mongrel JRT, not even a parsons!) They breed all sorts of crossbreeds, nothing pedigree and get between £400 - £1000 per puppy! They always sell within a week or two of being advertised. Perhaps no one wants pedigrees anymore, but are happy to pay pedigree prices for pups?? With regards to cat breeding - definitely not a money maker! The GCCF are much stricter than the KC when it comes to registration, kittens must leave with both vaccinations (approx £60) and no earlier than 13 weeks. That's at least ten weeks of feeding them, then worming, vaccs etc etc you are lucky to make any money on a kitten tbh (plus most pedigree breeds produce 2 to 4 kittens at a time). I spend a lot of money on my cats because I show them, and breeding is a hobby in the hope that one day a homebred will win the kitty equivalent of HOYS.
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Post by Philippa on Oct 15, 2014 11:10:24 GMT
To anyone who is thinking of going into dog breeding instead of horses / ponies - Believe you and me, it is not easy this year either!! I have been a hobby breeder for more years than I like to remember, and this year for the first time, I have no waiting list for my pedigree pups!! Not sure that this helps anyone trying to sell beautiful ponies and horses, but maybe it helps to know that you are not breeding the wrong type of animal!! Maybe we all ought to stop breeding animals - though I only have one litter every 2 years or so!! Perhaps cats is the way to go ? Someone in our village has a puppy farm (think 50ish dogs) - they are very overpriced (£650 for a mongrel JRT, not even a parsons!) They breed all sorts of crossbreeds, nothing pedigree and get between £400 - £1000 per puppy! They always sell within a week or two of being advertised. Perhaps no one wants pedigrees anymore, but are happy to pay pedigree prices for pups?? With regards to cat breeding - definitely not a money maker! The GCCF are much stricter than the KC when it comes to registration, kittens must leave with both vaccinations (approx £60) and no earlier than 13 weeks. That's at least ten weeks of feeding them, then worming, vaccs etc etc you are lucky to make any money on a kitten tbh (plus most pedigree breeds produce 2 to 4 kittens at a time). I spend a lot of money on my cats because I show them, and breeding is a hobby in the hope that one day a homebred will win the kitty equivalent of HOYS. You think the same way about your cats as we do our dogs. We breed for ourselves when we want another show puppy. I despise breeding for gain but more and more people are doing it. We spend time researching our lines and others just breed regardless of lines. In fact I've just bought a puppy in out of one of my homebred girls as it was easier than breeding my own litter.
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Post by clobo121082 on Oct 15, 2014 13:22:20 GMT
I think unfortunately the showing 'market' tends to be for horses/ponies that are ready to go or 3 year olds ready for next years novice classes. Not many people can buy youngsters and keep them until they are old enough for riddens and people also don't want to pay for an older pony - I think a lot of people think the only way to afford their 'HOYS' pony is to buy a novice. If I had my own land I would be buying youngsters all day long but sadly I have to pay rent to keep them somewhere and it just isn't viable
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Oct 15, 2014 14:45:43 GMT
Dogs do sell and a hell of a lot of money can be made out of puppy farming I know someone who would be given 18 cockers pups to sell they'd be gone in two weeks then th next lot would appear we worked it out from selling non kc registered cockers only they would earn £100k in a year not including all the cross breeds that are so popular at the moment which they where selling for £750-£1000 a pup, so yes there is money to be mad eout of puppy farming its just whether you agree on it morally which I don't.
Unfortunatley for the horse world there alot more expensive to care for and people don't want to know unless it HOYS quality and as people have said its having the land to leave a youngster to mature most people can afford a horse and want one they can get on and do things with straight away be that competing or just backing and breaking for the following year. Which is exaclty why I purchased a 3 yr old
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Post by semperfi on Oct 15, 2014 14:58:51 GMT
It astonishes me to see 3yo untried/tested and frankly some quite awfully put together horses selling for around the £5k mark - but if the right person is selling them, they get snapped up (and then never heard of again). I know of a horse several years ago that sold for £20k as a just backed 4yo and it has never been out showing - it was purchased from a very well known producer and was definitely nothing special. Its not just showing; there is an event rider local to us that sells average horses for around £20-£30k when I would struggle to sell the same horse for £2k!
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Post by cazcox on Oct 18, 2014 13:44:56 GMT
Iv'e got kittens for sale!
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Post by 5874julie on Oct 18, 2014 18:57:32 GMT
dogs seem to be afflicted by fashion! anything with 'doodle' in it is selling, as are dachshunds - we bought one 3 years ago thinking it was a really random breed to pick and now they are everywhere with waiting lists for puppies. am amazed by the new fashion for cross breeds. i heard someone say they had a litter of yorkie cross dachsies and they could have sold them 10 times over!
as ever, i seem to be looking for the only type of pony that is massively in demand right now!
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Post by janet on Oct 20, 2014 15:57:47 GMT
I have enquired about 2 dartmoor youngsters , one a foal and 1 a yearling neither has got back to me , I am after a top class dartmoor to run on for my grandchild in a few yrs and to show in hand in 2015, I have bred one myself who is going to be shown by a friends children as he is now 5, but i am awaiting 2 grandchildren and would like to bring the pony up and have it broken as I then know it well and it will have no bad habits, money waiting for the right animal, colt or filly
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