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Post by Newlandwelshies on Sept 29, 2015 19:49:47 GMT
Just a quick question,
what are everyone's take on Welsh Section C's being used as a mother daughter share, daugther only first ridden, albeit out of first ridden next year and county level, and fairly novice mother that hasn't ridden in awhile but wanting to get back into things.
Pony mainly to be ridden by mum, as daughter has own section b, but would also be ridden as and when but both, so needs to be fairly sane.
Question is do you think they make suitable child/mother share, or are they on the strong size and really an adult only pony?? Used to Welshies, having had an A and B, so no problem with cheeky quirks etc but just wanted a general concensus on this.
All opinions welcome please, do not intend to be offended as would like honest opinions so feel free to say it as it is, particularly if you have experience of the 'C's and how you feel they differ from the a's and b's apart from of course the obvious size!
Many thanks in advance. x
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Post by sparkysunny on Sept 29, 2015 20:09:01 GMT
We have just bought a fabulous Section C mare for my 13 year old daughter, who has been riding since she was very tiny. The pony is an absolute saint in all respects and completely bombproof, but she is very powerful. Having said that, she has been beautifully schooled by her previous owner and is very responsive, although can get a bit excited and strong when 'let loose' on the yard's cross country course. I would say that, also having a Section A and a Section B, a C is proportionally no stronger than an A but, because she's that much bigger, is potentially more of a challenge. I think you will have to judge the pony on its own merits, and not focus too much on the breed, as, of course, all ponies are different. I would happily share the new pony with my daughter but she won't let me!!!! If you take this pony on, good luck and have fun x
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Post by Newlandwelshies on Sept 29, 2015 21:02:22 GMT
Thanks sparkysunny, yes that's what I was thinking, thank you for the time taken to let me know your experience. x
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Post by sarahp on Sept 30, 2015 6:38:39 GMT
They may have power, but surely correctly schooled should be as light and responsive to ride as anything else? My daughter rode a home bred up to height C from the age of 10 due to previous pony pulling a tendon and having to have prolonged rest, and her legs barely reached below the saddle flaps. I had sold him and he'd been broken and schooled while away, then bought him back for her. She hunted and jumped him, which he loved, without any problem, but sadly she grew tall all to quickly so he had to move on - her next one was a 15.2hh D x TB. We did use a stronger bit on him just for the hunting - and when doing a jumping display at RWAS - when life was really exciting. He wasn't so keen with me on top though - heavier and I made him do as he was told - and I only hacked and dressaged him, the latter of which he didn't like and was likely to show off the quirky Welsh nature. On one occasion he refused to halt at X at the beginning of the test (long ago now), I was determined he was going to halt, no matter where, and he sidestepped, shaking his long mane (I said it was years ago!) with annoyance, until I managed to halt him on the quarter line instead. Myself, judge and writer, both of who I knew and who knew daughter and pony well, were all having hysterics!
You do of course, like any other new pony, need to go gently and work up the difficulty level, not go straight in like a bull in a china shop and let the child take it hunting the day after it arrives! I think sparkysunny has stated it exactly.
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Post by mcnaughty on Sept 30, 2015 11:18:25 GMT
I know a couple of Cs and they are lovely. But I think we all know ponies of all breeds that are monsters too! Personally if it was me, I would spend a bit of extra money getting something that has perhaps done working hunter classes or Junior Ridden with a little kid rather than going for something novice or perhaps the other way been out doing Open classes with adults. Keep an eye out in Horse Quest as there will be quite a lot of movement of ponies at this time of year.
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Post by oldschooler on Oct 1, 2015 15:49:53 GMT
We have just bought a fabulous Section C mare for my 13 year old daughter, who has been riding since she was very tiny. The pony is an absolute saint in all respects and completely bombproof, but she is very powerful. Having said that, she has been beautifully schooled by her previous owner and is very responsive, although can get a bit excited and strong when 'let loose' on the yard's cross country course. I would say that, also having a Section A and a Section B, a C is proportionally no stronger than an A but, because she's that much bigger, is potentially more of a challenge. I think you will have to judge the pony on its own merits, and not focus too much on the breed, as, of course, all ponies are different. I would happily share the new pony with my daughter but she won't let me!!!! If you take this pony on, good luck and have fun x Absolutely agree. They can be quite powerful, but so much depends on the individual. Must confess most of my breeding have been responsive and forward going, but we bred up to height, and a full up 13.2 section C is a big pony. Think you will need to go and try though. Fab breed however, they can do any discipline. Good luck.
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Post by catkin on Oct 1, 2015 17:28:48 GMT
I think a well schooled C is perfect for a share. However, perhaps not ideal as a 'type' for FR at the higher levels. We had the honour of owning SarahP's aforementioned C, and he could be ridden by anyone and would adjust accordingly. He was big and powerful but had a wonderful temperament and had been well disciplined!
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Post by Em5 on Oct 1, 2015 19:48:21 GMT
I have a beautiful sec c, had her a year now and she was bought for my 9 year old daughter. She is 8 and the best pony I've ever bought. Really improved my daughters confidence. Gone from jumping 30cm at home to out doing x country and 60cm courses. Doing our first ode this weekend. Temperament wise can't fault her. She's perfect mother daughter share.
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Post by nici on Oct 2, 2015 9:18:03 GMT
We have experience of 3 Welsh Cs. The first, Romance, was a small one at only 12.2 and quite slight. Cerys was just turning 9 when Romance came to us on loan as a 6yo that had been hacked extensively (including doing ride and lead with a smaller pony) and the odd fun ride. She is the best pony Cerys has ever had, so forward and responsive with a confident jockey, yet I could put a small beginner on her and she would revert to seaside donkey mode and plod along quietly, Cerys hunted her for 2 seasons, and rode her at all times in a loose ring happy mouth snaffle. Sadly after 2 and a half fabulous years Cerys was getting close to needing rollerskates to ride her, so she returned to her owner this Spring. This summer she has taken her owner's eldest daughter from being a nervous jockey with very limited jumping, to doing XC and lots of other exciting fun things. Best pony ever, and if I could have given her a growing potion - or Cerys a shrinking potion - she would have been with us forever!
Secondly we have JonJo, bought as a foal and brought up with us. Backed as a 4 year old and Cerys, then just 11 years old, hunting him once last autumn. Turned away for winter, and came back better than ever this Spring as a 5 year old. Full f enthusiasm for life - on his toes but mainly responsive. Sadly a couple of incidents caused a complete loss of confidence in Cerys and she no longer wants to ride him. He's now living with friends, and having a great time being ridden by their daughter, who has just turned 13, including hunting every week - and even getting their photo into H&H a few weeks ago out with the Cheshire Bloodhounds. I wouldn't put a young child or a novice on him - he's not nasty in any way but he is very enthusiastic about everything. He bounces along, on his toes, ready for the next adventure! Fabulous pony for a confident teenager - his current jockey loves him!
Thirdly there's Haf, bought about a year ago as a seriously obese 9 year old ex broodmare, backed but done very little. We (Cerys!) spent the first few months improving her fitness and schooling, then she also started hunting. After a winter being hunted regularly at first by Cerys then by her 12yo friend, she then went on loan to that friend in the Spring. While she is very gentle and sweet natured, she is very sensitive to the leg - again I wouldn't want to put a novice on her as Haf interprets any leg flapping or clinging as a signal to go faster! Take your leg off and she stops, but cling on for dear life and she thinks you want to go faster! Again she is ridden at all times in a snaffle - the brakes are fine if you're not squeezing with your legs!
3 ponies, same colour, same breed. All very different in character, illustrating the fabulous variety in the breed, and emphasising how important it is to choose the pony not the breed! In fact after years of having the Welshies, we have gone over to the dark side and bought a Fell. Temperament wise, she is the closest pony I've found to our wonderful Romance, whose hooves were proving so very hard to fill after she left us.
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Post by sarahp on Oct 2, 2015 9:32:22 GMT
I bred a 12.3 slight one (dam 1/4 sec B!) who sounds like Romance. He was broken and schooled on the flat and shown a bit (Picton Finalist) but not jumped when I leat him to a sensible friend for her novice daughter, who rode at a well known SJ yard who ran a riding school in tandom. They were dubious as only a 4yo and obviously at that age needing more mileage, but he went there on trial and stayed, as I knew he would. He and his rider both improved in leaps and bounds, both loving to jump, and did all the PC stuff until she outgrew him, when he was sold to another child. She came here to try him and rode him in the field, walked down, turned and cantered back - pony behaved like a saint, never pulled, stopped when required. He too had the knack of adjusting the ride he gave to the ability of the rider, an invaluable trait. His dam was full sister to the C gelding daughter rode and I sold to catkin (who took him to HOYS for the first ever M&M WHP Final) and all the family made great riddens - they all jumped, had super even paces and wonderful temperaments.
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Post by Newlandwelshies on Oct 2, 2015 20:18:08 GMT
Hi everyone, many thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated. Anyone know where I can find one of those ponies Nici and sarahp are referring to, sound perfect. I am only 5ft 1" and can guarantee a top caring home, with plenty of variety, references and more than anything will be adored. Happy for a loan, lwvtb or sale with a good trial period x
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Post by comanchediva on Oct 2, 2015 20:58:12 GMT
Nici, you haven't gone over to the dark side, you have seen the light! Being the owner of 4 Fells with a foal coming home next week, I can guarantee you will love your Fell and he'll do everything you ask but with a tiny streak of stubbornness.
Apologies to the OP but if I was looking for a mother daughter pony to share it would have to be a Fell x
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Post by nici on Oct 5, 2015 15:01:56 GMT
Hi everyone, many thanks for the feedback, very much appreciated. Anyone know where I can find one of those ponies Nici and sarahp are referring to, sound perfect. I am only 5ft 1" and can guarantee a top caring home, with plenty of variety, references and more than anything will be adored. Happy for a loan, lwvtb or sale with a good trial period x I will shortly be advertising Haf for sale, as her current rider is giving up (no fault of the pony's!)
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Post by welshiegirl on Oct 5, 2015 15:43:13 GMT
As long as it's not chestnut and a mare you'll be fine
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Post by sarahp on Oct 5, 2015 16:03:20 GMT
Nothing wrong with chestnut mares except prejudice!
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Post by welshiegirl on Oct 5, 2015 17:11:48 GMT
Nothing wrong with chestnut mares except prejudice! I have a chestnut welsh mare, there's nothing wrong with her, she's just a typical chestnut mare!!!!
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Post by sparkysunny on Oct 5, 2015 19:10:11 GMT
As long as it's not chestnut and a mare you'll be fine Ours is a chestnut mare and I honestly think she's the best pony we've ever owned. Took her out at the weekend to do her first ever WHP classes and she was awesome. Took everything in her stride and behaved impeccably.
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Post by nici on Oct 5, 2015 20:58:38 GMT
Cerys's little 12.2 C was a chestnut mare and the very best pony we have ever known!
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Post by comanchediva on Oct 5, 2015 21:01:11 GMT
I had a fabulous section D chestnut mare from a weanling until I sold her to a fab forever home aged 11. I still miss her, she was amazing x
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Post by welshiegirl on Oct 5, 2015 22:06:25 GMT
Bow is genuinely amazing, but rather stroppy, although I'd have her no other way, sounds like I'm the only one with the stereotypical chestnut welsh mare!!!
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Post by hattie11 on Oct 10, 2015 17:22:38 GMT
I have a fantastic Welsh C as a mother/daughter share, best pony ever, push button ride does everything jumps, sponsored rides, beach rides etc she is 12.3hh but very big boned. Im 5ft 4inch and my daughter is 12years and we dont look big on her! I would recommend Brightwells Welsh Sales on next weekend to find a great C, good luck x
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Post by Ziggy on Oct 10, 2015 19:11:35 GMT
My 11 year old daughter is riding a friends sec c. She is a chestnut mare. She is also ridden by her adult owner. She is just the loveliest pony has brought on my daughters riding no end !
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Post by gurnos on Oct 16, 2015 20:29:43 GMT
I had my first section C when I was 10 and he was fab. I was only small and he was almost up to height but I showed him locally and hunted him. My son had his first section C when he was 5 although he is only 12hh. He has done absolutely everything on this pony from lead rein to hunting to fancy dress to cross county. He is also broken to drive which he and my son love doing so now that he is getting tall on him he still has a job to do as we could never sell him. Although he is small he is strong enough for me to jump on and do a bit with him too.
This year my son has also been riding my full up section C (son is now 12) and they have got on very well together.
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Post by emilyequi on Oct 17, 2015 10:09:22 GMT
I think it depends very much on the pony! I had a full up and full of life one on loan last year when I was 16/17, and I am 5'6 but very slight. I found him heaps of fun, he was strong and did know it but he has no malice he is just enthusiastic! However my older and much stronger sister rode him and didn't like him at all, she is a bit nervier than me. He is now on loan to a lady. On the other scale I have ridden another one, a mare, who was very quiet and quite young too. She would jump scary fillers and xc fences no bother and hacked out past the biggest traffic always did everything in a snaffle and could be a wobbly novices pony or equally someone more experienced could hop on and take her out hunting for the day with no complications. She wasn't as showy as the gelding but much quieter. She was for sale but believe she's now sold Both ponies liver chestnut, and full up, however complete different characters. Both were lovely on the ground though and easy to do. Think all welshies can be characters though as I have an up to height section B at the moment who is the sweetest pony but full of life!!
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Post by gem2011 on Oct 24, 2015 17:13:22 GMT
I have a 13h section C mare who is not strong or forward going in the slightest, opinionated on the ground and grumpy,yes,but anyone's ride. She took my 8 year old daughter out on a two horse day with the Quorn (Friday country off the lead rein) and was absolutely trustworthy. Sadly,my youngest has outgrown her in capability and as the pony is 25,needs a quieter life now. I have found her a lovely loan home with a little girl just out of riding school. She came over today and hacked her around the fields,bareback with just a head collar on. I collected a new section C for my youngest this week, a different kettle of fish entirely,bouncy,strong and very fast,but it doesn't seem to bother her. He is on trial,so time will tell. I suppose.
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