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Post by janetbushell on Oct 24, 2015 15:09:35 GMT
Really interesting discussions & excellent seminar on way of going and conformation & type.
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Post by halcyon on Oct 24, 2015 17:58:05 GMT
Really interesting discussions & excellent seminar on way of going and conformation & type. I agree, as a newbie to showing and wanting to learn as much as possible i found it very informative, and has settled a few of my general questions. I was very surprised at the low attendance i must admit
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 24, 2015 18:28:51 GMT
Janet, I agree. Sadly I had to leave earlier than I'd wished as my trusted helpful helpers are away on their hols; I've a 5 hour drive each way.
A very well-planned Conference, an excellent central venue, a great Panel.
Just a shame more did not avail themselves of the opportunity.
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Post by delbel on Oct 24, 2015 18:46:13 GMT
I have to be honest I've not heard of this, but saying that I'm not a judge and not made a member of many societies this year so maybe I wouldn't have. What was discussed? Had some debate this year on the lead rein way of going in relation to holding lead in the left or right hand so would be interested to know if this was discussed?
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 25, 2015 8:50:35 GMT
Delbel - have a look on the news page on www.thencpa.co.uk for the day's programme There are different topics each year & this October weekend & venue seems settled now so make a note for next year. Conference is not just for judges - indeed I would suggest it offers a wide range of topics fo anyone involved in showing. Good way of learning & being able to ask those "burning questions" in a very welcoming atmosphere. LR leading not discussed - main "hot" topic was the measuring system with people able to ask questions directly to The panel or the JMB representatives including vets. PS it's free! Halcyon - glad you enjoyed it as well
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Post by pipandflo on Oct 25, 2015 20:10:29 GMT
And what was the general consensus on the measuring system?
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 25, 2015 23:17:34 GMT
And what was the general consensus on the measuring system? Although there has been research done on a laser system the current stick system is more reliable. Costs were explained and also that atrial of having a "bulk" measurement day at a central location would not prove any cheaper at the moment People did not like what they saw as "tactical" height objections before major championships although when numbers were quoted by the JMB there were very few of these. the JMB vet also said studies appeared to show that fitness & show condition seemed to make little difference to height when an animal was in a relaxed state & likewise that animals in the show ring were forward going & showing flair & presence & would therefore often present as seeming much bigger than they were. People also asked specific questions about whether height certificates were needed or should classes be judged purely by type & should 4 year olds be measured as they would grow which led to whether they should be allowed at RIHS, HOYS etc & should all certificates be valid for a full year or should animals be measured on the day & more that I can't remember! It was a very interesting discussion.
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Post by CarolineNelson on Oct 26, 2015 7:48:15 GMT
And what was the general consensus on the measuring system? Although there has been research done on a laser system the current stick system is more reliable. Costs were explained and also that atrial of having a "bulk" measurement day at a central location would not prove any cheaper at the moment People did not like what they saw as "tactical" height objections before major championships although when numbers were quoted by the JMB there were very few of these. the JMB vet also said studies appeared to show that fitness & show condition seemed to make little difference to height when an animal was in a relaxed state & likewise that animals in the show ring were forward going & showing flair & presence & would therefore often present as seeming much bigger than they were. People also asked specific questions about whether height certificates were needed or should classes be judged purely by type & should 4 year olds be measured as they would grow which led to whether they should be allowed at RIHS, HOYS etc & should all certificates be valid for a full year or should animals be measured on the day & more that I can't remember! It was a very interesting discussion. To add to Janet's very detailed report, it was explained by the JMB Secretary Howard Robinson that a member of the public' (ie: a so-called 'tactical objector') cannot 'object' to an animal which has an Annual Certificate, only to one which holds a Full one. It was explained that it is sensible to prepare the animal well for the day of measuring and not just shove it on the lorry for the first time - give the horse or pony lots of practice and experience of going into different stables, traveling to different places, getting used to different people standing beside it and above all, simply teach it to stand still kindly, properly and 'square' with no fussing and fiddling. Basically, general good training and management. It was explained, following a good question from the floor, that if an animal really will not settle on the day then the measurer/ owner/agent can decide to abandon that appointment and bring the pony/horse back another day once it has settled and learned to stand still. It had been explained by the prime speaker that the JMB is in place to 'serve' the Member Societies / Associations (which include Pony Racing and British Showjumping, not just the various Showing bodies) and acts for them. it is not an authority (a governing body) on its own. It was detailed by the prime speaker that the JMB has been in existence since 1934, set up by Societies which use 'height' as a classification. It was initially named the Joint Measurement Scheme. The Chair of the Showing Council, seeking comments from the floor, queried the supposed 'need' to have an animal 'bang up to height' which obviously puts it in the risk bracket of maturing larger than 'planned' (my words). As Janet says, it was a very interesting debate but most interesting was the fact that there was less attendance than anticipated, on such an emotive subject - particularly when the supporting 'live' presentations outside with discussion on way of going, type, condition etc. were taken by such a knowledgeable panel - plus, consultants from Spillers. It was explained that it's the "lowest relaxed height" that the Measurer has to achieve on the day, not the height which the rule book says and/or that the owner wants!
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Post by haggis on Oct 26, 2015 13:42:43 GMT
I would have loved to have gone could just maybe the showing council have a conference say at Scotch corner so that us up North could go , just couldn travel yet again down the road i do understand that they have the awards after but Scotch corner hotel has a large conference area . just would be nice i still would have to travel 100 plus miles and befor you shout i know i choose to live up here
just a thought
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Oct 28, 2015 18:55:57 GMT
So if animal is quite clearly over height at as a 5 yr old you can't object as it will only have an annual?
On the list of re measured animals I thought AR after the cert number meant it had an annual then a really measurement just like FR was full remeasurement
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Post by thatboythatgirl on Oct 28, 2015 18:56:22 GMT
So if animal is quite clearly over height at as a 5 yr old you can't object as it will only have an annual?
On the list of re measured animals I thought AR after the cert number meant it had an annual then a really measurement just like FR was full remeasurement
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 29, 2015 6:56:18 GMT
So if animal is quite clearly over height at as a 5 yr old you can't object as it will only have an annual? On the list of re measured animals I thought AR after the cert number meant it had an annual then a really measurement just like FR was full remeasurement My understanding from the rules page on JMB website plus answers given by JMB at the conference was that "Annual" height certificates can be objected to if the animal is already 7 years +, by the owner of the animal, or by a member society - so that might explain the "AR" but I stand to be corrected if I have misunderstood.
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Post by jimjim on Oct 29, 2015 7:18:11 GMT
I would like to have a better understanding of the comments about objections to annual measurement certs. This year definitely ponies with annual height certs under 7 years of age were objected to. Not sure I understood. Thanks.
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 29, 2015 7:43:12 GMT
jimjim - well if animal is under 7 then as I understand it then only either the animal's owner or the society could ask for a remeasurement? Maybe better asked on the JMB thread as I an only repeating what I understood when this topic was raised.
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Post by ponymad79 on Oct 29, 2015 7:56:45 GMT
then someone who wants to object to an animal under 7 needs to get the society to make the objection .
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Post by janetbushell on Oct 29, 2015 8:10:47 GMT
ponymad79 - again a question better asked on the JMB thread (but that is what my understanding is)
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Post by wh321 on Nov 11, 2015 16:03:00 GMT
Hi, this looks like it would have been a really interesting conference. I am basing my dissertation around showing and feeding mainly, so this would have been really useful for me however i wasn't aware it was on! Is there anything similar that will be upcoming? Thank you.
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