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Jun 21, 2017 20:57:48 GMT
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Post by Merri on Jun 21, 2017 20:57:48 GMT
After spectating at County shows over the last week... why don't the exhibits just walk in and line up in any order and then from there do the ridden and conformation aspect of the class ..... As it's becoming a joke that bad mannered and unsuitable animals that have been misbehaving are ending up in the placings I would suggest that marks are awarded to the top 10 brought in, in preference ... but then that wouldn't work as animals that have gone well have also been missed...so wouldn't get a mark Does the go round ... together... in company Not count for anything ... ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png) ![???](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/huh.png)
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Post by Probationer on Jun 22, 2017 21:19:58 GMT
When I probationed with Robert Parker-Jones many years ago, If I remember correctly, he mentally gave 20 marks for the go round. So when he pulled in the first got 20 then 19,18,17 etc then the rest of the ride out of (as was then) 40 (60 total) I thought this was a good way to reward/penalise and easy to do.
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Post by specialsparkle3 on Jun 25, 2017 17:54:56 GMT
I heartily agree , since the advent of marks, unless "mental " or physical marks are given for the Go Round, and the line is "pulled" in the Judges order of initial preference as it always was, the Go Round means nothing and is a waste of time.
To me, the Go Round is one of THE most important aspects of the class. It's the only time you see ponies trotting and cantering together, and instantly weeds out the ponies who don't have sufficient manners to act correctly in company----------one of the paramount requirements of a Child's pony . I really get fed up with seeing Judges watching a Go Round then pulling ponies in any order, thereby negating all memories of bad behaviour . Just what is the point?
I personally know that Robert P J has, or had, a private mark for the Go Round, but until a proper mark is allocated and classes are pulled in order by all Judges , I repeat, the Go Round , IMO , means NOTHING.
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Jun 25, 2017 18:18:27 GMT
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Post by Wholeheartedly on Jun 25, 2017 18:18:27 GMT
I witness a little pony being stripped of its qualification this passed week....what was so under minding was that if manners were of that much importance then why.. may I ask were several horses in the final line up when they had misbehaved so blatantly ( all four feet off ground - I expected this animal to be asked to leave the ring/racing / spooking )on the go round...right in front of the judges
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Post by Sounds good but on Jun 30, 2017 10:50:45 GMT
When I probationed with Robert Parker-Jones many years ago, If I remember correctly, he mentally gave 20 marks for the go round. So when he pulled in the first got 20 then 19,18,17 etc then the rest of the ride out of (as was then) 40 (60 total) I thought this was a good way to reward/penalise and easy to do. Yes can see the merit in a class with a limited number of entries. But I question how this can be done when you have 40 to 50 entries and need to have the go round in two halves. It would take a better man than me to compare one pony against another when you have not even seen them go together. In this situation it gets to become rather farcical and rather hit and miss.
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Post by titch on Jun 30, 2017 14:42:35 GMT
I remember looking at a hoys ridden class once and naughty ponies on the go round had an x next to their name then they got deducted 10 marks after the show and conformation were added up therefore meaning a naughty pony on the go round was unlikely to win.
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Post by gillwales on Jul 1, 2017 3:54:46 GMT
When I probationed with Robert Parker-Jones many years ago, If I remember correctly, he mentally gave 20 marks for the go round. So when he pulled in the first got 20 then 19,18,17 etc then the rest of the ride out of (as was then) 40 (60 total) I thought this was a good way to reward/penalise and easy to do. Yes can see the merit in a class with a limited number of entries. But I question how this can be done when you have 40 to 50 entries and need to have the go round in two halves. It would take a better man than me to compare one pony against another when you have not even seen them go together. In this situation it gets to become rather farcical and rather hit and miss. How many classes do we get these days with those sorts of numbers? It could easily be sorted by only awarding marks to the top 20 in these cases. Usually in very big classes they will pull the top line up and the rest come in any order. If we are going to stick with marks I do think this is a good idea as it highlights the importance of horses/ ponies behaving in a large group.
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Post by kateanne0 on Jul 1, 2017 14:22:47 GMT
When I probationed with Robert Parker-Jones many years ago, If I remember correctly, he mentally gave 20 marks for the go round. So when he pulled in the first got 20 then 19,18,17 etc then the rest of the ride out of (as was then) 40 (60 total) I thought this was a good way to reward/penalise and easy to do. Peter Wilkinson is another judge that deducted marks on the go round for bad behaviour etc. As far as I can remember back numbers were noted and a -mark noted by the steward.
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Post by kateanne0 on Jul 1, 2017 14:25:01 GMT
I witness a little pony being stripped of its qualification this passed week....what was so under minding was that if manners were of that much importance then why.. may I ask were several horses in the final line up when they had misbehaved so blatantly ( all four feet off ground - I expected this animal to be asked to leave the ring/racing / spooking )on the go round...right in front of the judges Why did the pony lose its qualification? Was it a case of not standing still for the awards?
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Post by sounds good but on Jul 1, 2017 14:26:53 GMT
Yes can see the merit in a class with a limited number of entries. But I question how this can be done when you have 40 to 50 entries and need to have the go round in two halves. It would take a better man than me to compare one pony against another when you have not even seen them go together. In this situation it gets to become rather farcical and rather hit and miss. How many classes do we get these days with those sorts of numbers? It could easily be sorted by only awarding marks to the top 20 in these cases. Usually in very big classes they will pull the top line up and the rest come in any order. If we are going to stick with marks I do think this is a good idea as it highlights the importance of horses/ ponies behaving in a large group. Many HOYS NCT pony and M and M classes are this size and this is where I have seen the majority of the "odd" judging. If all the ponies are on the go round together it is much easier to do a pull in that is a fair reflection and for me would be acceptable. Unfortunately it is the exceptional pony that shows poor behaviour and that should be certainly penalised. But I still believe it is very easy in a large class to miss a good pony especially if they are all a similar colour. If the pony is already 20 marks down because it was not pulled in in the first 20, no matter how well it goes it will be difficult to come up the placings. I find the barging that I have witnessed at the walk round for the pull in quite appalling. Coming from a show jumping background and being relatively new (after a gap of many years) to top level showing, my experiences in HOYS qualifiers last year left me with a very bad taste and the decision I would not repeat the experience again. Unfortunately I know I am not alone in this. I don't know completely what the answer is, but I still feel marks are transparent and necessary. I remember in the old days of massive classes at PUK, ponies were given a thumbs up or down after their individual show immediately following the go round, and only thumbs up were stripped. I always left a class feeling judging was fair, and that was with or without a rosette.
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Post by Oldtimer on Jul 1, 2017 17:55:37 GMT
Sounds good but ......you are correct, in the past not all ponies were stripped. If the individual show was not of a good standard you accepted with good grace that you weren't required to strip. We need more 'proper' transparency back in judging and not stripping ponies who had been 'naughty' or wrong legged in their shows, or didn't perform as asked could help this and so the ridiculous scramble for marks the minute a class finishes.
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Post by marymarynli on Jul 3, 2017 10:22:03 GMT
4 years ago the Coloureds at the Royal Welsh where huge classes over 70 in the hairy ridden, they split the go round and pulled in order .
Any horse/pony which did not go well was requested not to strip and offered to leave the ring if they preferred as it was a very hot day. Any animal which went well regardless of where the single judge had pulled originally was asked to strip and some came right up from nowhere. I would go under this judge anyday so very very fair and you could totally understand the judging
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Post by chloesmum on Jul 3, 2017 14:22:32 GMT
Actually we were saying the other day that when in a huge class and if your pony has gone badly we would prefer to leave rather than stand in the ring for hours in heat or rain! Call it a day and there is always next time!
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Post by MrsShowing on Jul 3, 2017 20:41:40 GMT
Actually we were saying the other day that when in a huge class and if your pony has gone badly we would prefer to leave rather than stand in the ring for hours in heat or rain! Call it a day and there is always next time! Definitely. And it used to be like this at Ponies UK back in the days when there were 30+ ponies in every class, and at the NPS too I think, where you weren't asked to strip unless the ridden show was to the judge's satisfaction. There was certainly no disgrace to leaving the class after the ridden shows if you weren't required to strip. You cheerfully accepted your finalist rosette, took great pride in having made it that far at all, and looked forward to the next opportunity, and if you were required to strip it was in itself a huge achievement. Oh and sometimes at PUK they would pull in a order and then start judging from the bottom of the line. That was good and did tend to mean that the judges were more focused on the bottom half of the line than they might have been otherwise. I wouldn't want that all the time, but it's nice when things are a bit different.
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Post by sarahp on Jul 13, 2017 6:08:28 GMT
I too remember when not all ponies were necessarily stripped if they hadn't gone well enough, and muc preferred it as it prioritises the ride. But nowadays with the current marking system it is only fair that all need to be stripped.
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