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Post by Curious ..... on Oct 4, 2018 19:26:27 GMT
Just read a social media post about a pony loosing its fake tail in the ring at Horse of the Year Show. Is this just fake news or did it actually happen ?
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Post by It's true on Oct 4, 2018 20:36:59 GMT
It actually happened....
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Post by haggis on Oct 5, 2018 7:59:54 GMT
Well the same thing happened at NOE Summer show navitive pony tail fell off - steward gave it to the judge ( it wasnt a HOYS CLASS) and pony still won the class!!!!!
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Post by viking on Oct 9, 2018 8:41:19 GMT
Until judges take a firmer line and uphold Society rules, unfortunately and unfairly, false manes, tails and forelocks will keep happening.
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Post by haggis on Oct 9, 2018 9:18:19 GMT
Until judges take a firmer line and uphold Society rules, unfortunately and unfairly, false manes, tails and forelocks will keep happening. Yep that is so true , must say the steward in that ring was Gobsmacked to say he/she actually gave the tail to the judge but she just ignored it - a false tail is NOT showing pony in natural state as per the rule book end of pony should have been sent out people are bending the rules left right and centre !!!!
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Post by owena on Oct 9, 2018 15:12:22 GMT
It isnt just judges that need to take a firmer line it is the societies as well. Both the rider and producer of the pony with the false tail that came off at HOYS are "professionals" not a good advert in such a large shopwindow!!
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Post by viking on Oct 9, 2018 16:27:55 GMT
Owena, I beg to politely differ. The Native pony Societies set the rules and expect them to be abided by.
False anything, manes, tails, forelocks and over height, covering inappropriate markings, are all forms of cheating and prohibit the rightful placings within a class.
Judges are often in an unenviable situation, but a lump of obviously false tail which falls off within the ring should be heavily penalised, and that pony, in my opinion, should be asked to withdraw.
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Post by owena on Oct 9, 2018 18:16:07 GMT
I am not disagreeing but after the judge dismisses the said pony the relevant societies should also take action
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Post by Blue1 on Oct 9, 2018 19:28:02 GMT
I don't think the FPS will ignore this.
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Post by Annon on Oct 11, 2018 14:40:26 GMT
Well unfortunately the judges ignored the fake tail and did not dismiss the pony. It is the biggest finals of the year and the judges did not abide or uphold the rules.
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Post by Srslytho on Oct 12, 2018 20:15:09 GMT
At the end of the day, does it honestly matter?!
What would you rather see - a pony with awful conformation won or a pony with a false tail at the top of the line?
I’m sure worse things have happened at HOYS 🤯
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Post by Rules on Oct 14, 2018 14:10:36 GMT
At the end of the day, does it honestly matter?! What would you rather see - a pony with awful conformation won or a pony with a false tail at the top of the line? I’m sure worse things have happened at HOYS 🤯 What I would like to see is are the rules being followed!!
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Post by It'sbindone on Nov 16, 2018 18:01:04 GMT
At the end of the day, does it honestly matter?! What would you rather see - a pony with awful conformation won or a pony with a false tail at the top of the line? I’m sure worse things have happened at HOYS 🤯 What I would like to see is are the rules being followed!! Just seen that final places have been changed in the 15h SHP class at HOYS - it appears to state that the pony had been presented differently to its passport!!
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Post by Pollypocket18 on Nov 16, 2018 20:40:54 GMT
I find it so odd that they covered up two white socks on and off all season!! Surely they knew someone was going to spot it
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Post by Very Realistic on Nov 17, 2018 13:35:31 GMT
Most odd! White socks so what! Why cover them up? They clearly did though looking at photographs. It has also to said that these are the same people who got a major championship taken away for a doping offence - are they not? Will some people never learn? And no whilst we do compete at Hickstead and at HOYS we are not in the same class, we don’t know the people personally and it doesn’t actually affect me BUT I just think REALLY??!!!!
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Just Pointing out a fact
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Post by Just Pointing out a fact on Nov 23, 2018 20:23:15 GMT
Very Realistic
Why did you feel the need to tell everyone this. If you dont know them and they dont compete against you then why say it. Too many keyboard warriors that add fuel to the fire. Its something thats happened they have been caught end off. Ponies trot around with painted on stars, touched up points and greys with applied black legs all of the time, these are also not noted on their passports. Its something that happens albeit not to the degree of this case but why is it people are commenting on this case as if its never happens??
IT HAPPENS WEEKLY THROUGHOUT THE SEASON!!
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Post by Philippa on Nov 24, 2018 14:48:22 GMT
Very Realistic Why did you feel the need to tell everyone this. If you dont know them and they dont compete against you then why say it. Too many keyboard warriors that add fuel to the fire. Its something thats happened they have been caught end off. Ponies trot around with painted on stars, touched up points and greys with applied black legs all of the time, these are also not noted on their passports. Its something that happens albeit not to the degree of this case but why is it people are commenting on this case as if its never happens?? IT HAPPENS WEEKLY THROUGHOUT THE SEASON!! I disagree. It needs highlighting that cheating is not allowed and won’t be tolerated. If there are ponies with falsified markings that’s a little bit different to hilighter on eyes, muzzles & legs. Why should it be brushed under the carpet and forgotten. It’s too costly nowadays to accept competing against people who cheat!!
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Post by Very Realistic on Nov 25, 2018 22:44:14 GMT
Exactly! In actual fact I only know as there was a post by HOYS itself about it! I think some people protest a little too much. Should Horse & Hound not make us aware when say someone in the limelight in BE air BS contravenes the rules? Don’t be ridiculous!!!! It is absolutely in everyone’s interest and especially to those competing within the “showing world”. This story was of interest to me really because firstly I couldn’t believe the same people were involved as in a previous “doping” offence and secondly because I couldn’t believe the stupidity of painting it’s socks out!!!!! Just because it happens regularly does not make it ok!!!!!!
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Post by sjw87 on Nov 28, 2018 21:31:53 GMT
It doesn't matter whether there is 1 rule in place or 100; the only thing that matters is whether said rules are enforced or not. Whether it's at home with the kids, in a workplace, on a livery yard or in the show ring, if rules aren't upheld then they are absolutely worthless.
Some societies ban all equine make-up whereas some allow markings to be enhanced but no society allows a change of markings so it's a good thing for showing as a whole that someone who has broken the rules has been reprimanded accordingly. Often with doping rule breaks, the offenders claim (honestly or not) that it was a mistake/cross-contamination/sabotage etc but in a case of altering markings then this can only have been done intentionally so there's absolutely no defence.
Showing societies need to send out a message that their rules are there for a reason and flouting them WILL result in action being taken. It will only benefit showing as a whole.
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Post by owena on Nov 29, 2018 15:32:48 GMT
Showing societies need to send out a message that their rules are there for a reason and flouting them WILL result in action being taken. It will only benefit showing as a whole.[/quote]
Interestingly the NPS used the word MAY result in disciplinary action in their recent newsletter in regard to the breaking of the false hair rule!!
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