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Post by dukeyboy on Jun 12, 2009 11:20:06 GMT
Well if no re run i for one would settle for my money back
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Post by guesty 2 on Jun 12, 2009 18:16:12 GMT
If it's a clear breach of rules then I am sure CHAPS will have to deal with it, I doubt very much tho whether it could ever result in a re run of the class. More likely to be a reprimand of the judges involved or a rule change, after all other societies do the either end method. I do understand piper that other societies do the either end strip method but how can a judge mark ride when only down to judge conf for that society???
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Post by jinja on Jun 13, 2009 12:20:05 GMT
The ride judges are assesed to RIDE the horses, I am sure that the conformation judge can give a mark for a ridden show, not saying it should have happened, but its not the same as a conformation judge actually getting on and riding a horse.
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Post by cheeky on Jun 13, 2009 14:33:13 GMT
Im sorry "jinja" and "piper" but i really think both of you are failing to see the bigger issue. RULES WERE BROKEN ! Ok so other societies do allow you to strip from both ends but CHAPS doesnt it there in black and white in the rule book for all to see ! And ok so she wasnt actually riding the ponies but shes not on that panel , at the end of the day these are HOYS qualifiers so a great deal of time and in times when lets face it money is hard earned and carefully spent it just isnt right to break rules . I can rememeber 2 incidents last yr when 2 girls (Both Junior members) had their tickets taken away and yes they had broke rules and this was their punishment but my point is why are judges any different ? are we saying that judges are above the rules ?
And for the record yes i was taking part but i do not wish anyone who qualified that day to have their tickets taken away , all four ponies are worthy contenders and i wish them the best of luck at hoys.
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Post by jinja on Jun 13, 2009 15:07:38 GMT
I am not saying rules should be broken, but is the conformation judge allowed to judge shows were there is only 1 judge namely them, or am I wrong? however I think it is wrong for the judges not to do the section it states in the schedule as people choose who likes their horse or pony when entering and to get to a show and find out it is someone else is wrong.
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Post by gossip555 on Jun 13, 2009 17:37:27 GMT
Does any1 hav a copy of the marks for the hoys coloured classes??
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Post by lucretia on Jun 13, 2009 18:20:34 GMT
The conformation judge is allowed to judge show but not in Rihs/hoys qualifiers where 2 judges must be appointed, one for ride and one for conformation. In non hoys/RI qualifiers,It will state in the schedule if there is one judge and states they will not ride. They are then appointed to judge the display and conformation. The judge will not ride in open -(mixed) classes. Shows can appoint a ride judge even for non hoys Rihs classes but they are within their rules to appoint a judge from the conformation panel to judge display,
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Post by arrogorn on Jun 13, 2009 18:59:09 GMT
So have the tickets been taken from the winners and awared to the correct persons? which class are we talking about that the marks were wrong or was it in all the HOYS classes?
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Post by splodge on Jun 14, 2009 11:12:30 GMT
Interesting about the amount of breaking of rules that actually took place in these classes...i for one (not a judge) didn't know about not stripping from either end to ride...interesting. I can't see why in this modern day and age, a calculator can not be used?? Yes we should all be able to do simple maths but mistakes are made time and time again and in such a stressful position we can be kind to stewards and give them a calculator...or how about a machine where marks can be put in from both ends of the line up and then that machine calculates the final mark and prints off the final results- not really hard to make a machine like that! Initial cost may be expensive but surely in the long run it will work out better as no one can say there was a change of marks after the class was judged...and no mistakes can be made while adding up= surely the benefits outway the cons??
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Post by piper on Jun 17, 2009 14:38:04 GMT
I wasn't defending rule breaking cheeky, simply saying that since rules clearly were broken then CHAPS should deal with it . As soon as possible in my opinion, I started out defending the show from blame as they only pick the judges from a list and rely on them to know the said rules.
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Post by lucretia on Jun 17, 2009 17:37:51 GMT
Chaps and BSPA are quite specific with their rules and guidance to judges,and if competitors feel they have been broken they should write to the society. Both societies have regular conferences and assessment days for judges so there is no excuse for not keeping up to date. Rule changes are also communicated to all judges. They always investigate any complaints and take appropriate action.
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