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Post by Nessa on Jul 27, 2009 12:20:48 GMT
Woohoo! Well done Jonny and Shem!! Long overdue imo but better lte than never!!!!!!
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Post by ivansmum on Jul 27, 2009 12:28:22 GMT
and Hairylover reserve with Castlehill Raven well done xxxx Well done Hayley congratulations you deserve it, the muscles must be well and truly working now!! ;D ;D, hope you are not getting toooooooo many sleepless nights from the other man in your life.
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Post by josie on Jul 27, 2009 21:14:17 GMT
Am just so pleased that the show actually went ahead! 3rd time lucky.... Went and had a look at the showfield on the Saturday and yes it was very quiet, but then it was only in-hand day and there were SO many events on over this past w/e (RIHS, Festival Champs in Wigan, Trailblazers, Garstang RC etc). Ground looked wet but the day was dry. Sunday was a different story - rain, rain and then more rain. Think the committee were lucky as I understand they were using a farmer's field rather than Witton Park land (it was adjacent) and the farmer didn't mind the field being cut up. Stewards, secretary and marshals were all smiley and helpful though and I just hope they managed to make enough money to keep one of the oldest shows going another year. We'll definitely go again, rain or shine.
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Post by baileybob on Jul 27, 2009 21:18:20 GMT
Anyone know who the photographer was please?
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Post by cocoa on Jul 27, 2009 21:41:36 GMT
equinational
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Post by mater on Jul 27, 2009 22:20:21 GMT
As the NPS dreamed up the concept, started and manages the "Olympia" qualifiers and final, I don't quite see where you're coming from - please explain! I think one of the problems with the Lancs show must have been the 'its on - it's off - it's on' scenario. I know for a fact that, due to this and the woolly organisation, they had difficulty in getting judges at short notice and even rang at least one same person twice! (who, due to prior appointments, said 'no' twice - !!) That cannot be the fault of the competition's organising body! I am surprised you need it explaining to you, but here goes anyway. At the end of the day the NPS don’t run the 4-5 days whatever it is at Olympia. They have a slot. That slot is kindly sponsored by Baileys Horse Feeds. That being the case the NPS don’t have any rights over it other than the agreement with Baileys and the show organisers. I am very surprised that a company with such an outstanding reputation as Baileys would want to associate its good name with a society that struggles to get a handful of competitors to compete in what should be the most prestigious M&M class in the country. Maybe Baileys don’t know what they are actually putting their name to? Maybe its time people wrote to Baileys to tell them? Northener....are you for real ?? Baileys have sponsored the qualifiers for years so I think by now they know what they are putting their name to!! This is just one show with one qualifier,as for people voting with their feet, as worn the shirt said this show was on, then off, then back on again, which is probably the reason the entries for this where low,plus the close proximity of the Royal Welsh and the RIHS, have you seen any of the other qualifiers or competed in them,we have and they were well supported thank you very much.So before you go slagging off the NPS get your facts straight !!
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Post by mater on Jul 27, 2009 22:21:06 GMT
Oops, well done Jonny and Shem BTW
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Post by chardonnay on Jul 27, 2009 23:27:18 GMT
People are starting to vote with their feet. Maybe it is time one of the other showing societies took over the Olympias as the NPS has just about ruined them. next year with the new rules the olympias will fill up. i think the hoys need to follow their new rule change and get some decent judges or all showing will be ruined
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Post by monarch123 on Jul 28, 2009 5:58:05 GMT
totally agree chardonnay.
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Post by northerner on Jul 28, 2009 6:58:20 GMT
I am surprised you need it explaining to you, but here goes anyway. At the end of the day the NPS don’t run the 4-5 days whatever it is at Olympia. They have a slot. That slot is kindly sponsored by Baileys Horse Feeds. That being the case the NPS don’t have any rights over it other than the agreement with Baileys and the show organisers. I am very surprised that a company with such an outstanding reputation as Baileys would want to associate its good name with a society that struggles to get a handful of competitors to compete in what should be the most prestigious M&M class in the country. Maybe Baileys don’t know what they are actually putting their name to? Maybe its time people wrote to Baileys to tell them? Northener....are you for real ?? Baileys have sponsored the qualifiers for years so I think by now they know what they are putting their name to!! This is just one show with one qualifier,as for people voting with their feet, as worn the shirt said this show was on, then off, then back on again, which is probably the reason the entries for this where low,plus the close proximity of the Royal Welsh and the RIHS, have you seen any of the other qualifiers or competed in them,we have and they were well supported thank you very much.So before you go slagging off the NPS get your facts straight !! Yep, afraid I am for real. Using the excuse that some other event is detracting from entries is rather feeble. You can count entries on one hand at most of the qualifiers. You carry on wearing blinkers if you wish but in the main people are now shunning this prestigious event. I’m not slagging the NPS off I’m stating facts that they can’t get the rings full whilst other societies can. You obviously must think more into that comment than intended, wonder why that is?
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Post by baileybob on Jul 28, 2009 8:16:52 GMT
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Post by ferret on Jul 28, 2009 8:23:42 GMT
People are starting to vote with their feet. Maybe it is time one of the other showing societies took over the Olympias as the NPS has just about ruined them. next year with the new rules the olympias will fill up. i think the hoys need to follow their new rule change and get some decent judges or all showing will be ruined in the conni / NF section it always seems a bit scarce of entries , i for one will be doing Olympias next year when the new rules kick in
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Post by Guestless on Jul 28, 2009 8:51:31 GMT
northerner if you wish to debate why entries in the Olympia classes are low then please feel free to start a new thread in the Lounge area.
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Post by foxylady on Jul 28, 2009 8:56:25 GMT
I think the low entries also had something to do with who was judging most people had a good idea of who the likely qualifiers would be so why would you waste your money , I m sure the winner was a worthy one and certainly deserves it for sheer perserverance . Northerner is right though unless the is an upturn in entries next year I think it will die the death most companies are tightening their belts and I'm sure Baileys are no different I for one would be interested in knowing at the end of the season the total number of entries that the Olympia qualifiers have attracted .
I have seen quite a few of the qualifiers this (not as a competitor ) and in the main the classes have had only a handful in each section sorry but thats a fact .
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Post by Guestless on Jul 28, 2009 9:21:26 GMT
Anyone wishing to debate the Olympia entries should start a new thread please - this one is for discussing Royal Lancs and not more general issues. Please keep it on topic or your posts will be deleted.
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Post by flower on Jul 28, 2009 9:26:03 GMT
Maybe it was something to do with the judge....New Forest has 28-29 in the sections.
A good judge will always pull the entries
Well done to Rhoson Shem
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Post by lexy on Jul 28, 2009 12:29:02 GMT
Rhoson Shem is a very much deserved qualifier, I was really surprised when he did not qualify last year as this is a pony that has done extremely well in hand (RW champion 2006, Cuddy Qualifier 2006 etc) and then more recently ridden as well (HOYS 2007, 2008, many ridden championships etc). I first saw him ridden at HOYS in 2007 and thought he was just stunning and went beautifully. If anyone is interested, here is a short video clip of him taken then: www.youtube.com/watch?v=cK68Y_R9HTkSo lets not let any other issues / discussion take away from the much overdue success of this pony to qualify for Olympia Lexy
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Post by excellence on Jul 28, 2009 18:41:14 GMT
I agree Lexy, fabulous pony and beautifully ridden by Jonathan. Many congratulations to all concerned!
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Post by hollycane on Jul 28, 2009 19:44:10 GMT
Most judges at this show were asked to officiate less than a month before the closing date for entries. The schedule did not contain a complete list of judges even on the day of the show and didn't even get posted online until less than two weeks before the closing date. As the entry fee in all classes was more than the first prize and in Olympia qualifiers was more than double the frist prize, hardly surprising few entries enetered let alone turned up. The state of the venue was nothing less than atrocious. A water meadow, hastily mown with tiny rings that turned to quagmire on Sunday. Any pony that managed to actually demostrate it's movement in that going must be nothing short of heroic. To advertise the show being held in Witton Park knowing full well it wasn't going to be is not very genuine at all. Oh and the £10 admin fee for every mistake on your entry form smacks of money grabbing. It won't be due to lack of money that qualifiers are pulled but lack of quality venue worthy of holding them which in turn would attract better numbers and better quality animals.
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Post by coriander on Jul 28, 2009 19:53:55 GMT
where was it held if not as advertised and who was the judge. I think it is time this qualifier is reallocated there are plenty of shows in the North west that cope with bad weather and treat competitors better
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Post by josie on Jul 29, 2009 7:19:20 GMT
There's a rumour that they're relocating to somewhere in Blackpool for next year.....
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Post by ponymadmum on Jul 29, 2009 8:41:33 GMT
Read in our local paper that Royal Lancs could come to Lytham St Annes very near to where we are stabled. This would be great for us as we could just hack up the road but there is no definates where it is to be held yet as I think 1 or 2 venues are being assessed.
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Post by starrider on Jul 29, 2009 9:26:23 GMT
Sorry Hollycane I have to disagree - that field held up quite well considering it didn't stop raining for at least 24 hours - I can vouch that Witton Park would not have held up so well as being a member of RVRC and I used to be on the committee - this could be seen adjacent to where the lorries were parked on hardstanding as areas had to be taped around as very muddy.
Yes it was muddy - but slippy muddy rather than deep - much better than the site near garstang last year - that was mud bath and they didn't even get to run most of the in hand classes never mid the riddens. The main ring at Royal Welsh was a lot worse. I feel the rings were of an ok size considering the size of the classes.
The problem IMO is that we have nowhere that really has the facilities to bring Royal Lancs back to its former glory unlike many counties. For many years now it has been doomed by the weather and like many things in lancashire and indeed in the North west - they are having to be moved elsewhere (Uk Showing / British ELite etc) and are not getting the support from competitors to raise the money to put into a better show for the following year.
Running a show is hard and thankless - I thought the stewards and judges were friendly and polite - Lets hope there is a brighter future for Royal Lancs.
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Post by 2connies on Jul 29, 2009 9:58:57 GMT
Deleted as a request has now been made twice for this to be discussed on another thread.
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Post by bigmama on Jul 29, 2009 11:56:18 GMT
Sorry Hollycane I have to disagree - that field held up quite well considering it didn't stop raining for at least 24 hours - I can vouch that Witton Park would not have held up so well as being a member of RVRC and I used to be on the committee - this could be seen adjacent to where the lorries were parked on hardstanding as areas had to be taped around as very muddy. Yes it was muddy - but slippy muddy rather than deep - much better than the site near garstang last year - that was mud bath and they didn't even get to run most of the in hand classes never mid the riddens. The main ring at Royal Welsh was a lot worse. I feel the rings were of an ok size considering the size of the classes. The problem IMO is that we have nowhere that really has the facilities to bring Royal Lancs back to its former glory unlike many counties. For many years now it has been doomed by the weather and like many things in lancashire and indeed in the North west - they are having to be moved elsewhere (Uk Showing / British ELite etc) and are not getting the support from competitors to raise the money to put into a better show for the following year. Running a show is hard and thankless - I thought the stewards and judges were friendly and polite - Lets hope there is a brighter future for Royal Lancs. Many years ago Royal Lancs show was held at Aintree Racecourse .. why not take it back there now? (provided Becky Swift doesn't try to jump the Grand National jumps again!! still laughing over that story you related years ago, Becks!)
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Post by lancs on Jul 29, 2009 12:56:49 GMT
I'm sorry, as Royal Lancs is my local Agricultural Show, but the ground it was run on this year was dreadful and looked like a annual village gymkana not a show holding important qualifiers, there must be somewhere in Lancashire that could have done better if they are only holding the horse bits of the show. I really hope they can be better prepared next year and find a venue worthy of these qualifiers then we might see full classes once again.
modified to say :- Well done Jonathan and Shem, worthy winners
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Post by lucky on Jul 29, 2009 22:09:35 GMT
i cant find any pics on equinational, also does anyone know if they are putting any results on web page, as would be interested in the in hand results thanks
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Post by stripey on Aug 3, 2009 17:00:16 GMT
Royal Lancs has gone from bad to worse and has lost competitors because of not giving refunds when previous shows have been cancelled. Everyone knows how expensive it is to run a show of that size but they shouldn't have penalised their supporters. It's very unlikely ever to recover which is sad but their high-handed attitude to other show organisers in Lancashire doesn't help.
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Post by paulal on Aug 3, 2009 17:21:39 GMT
I think somebody at Royal Lancs should contact Philip Witter at The Leisure Lakes in Mere Brow. They have plenty of good space and excellent parking facilities. It did used to hold a few cross country events many years ago and I think with a bit of forward thinking it could be a good venue. He is revamping the whole estate and am sure there is enough space? Only a suggestion as have never organised a show before - and I actually feel sorry for those that do!
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Post by flicker on Aug 3, 2009 19:51:48 GMT
there is a rumour that it may be allowed to be held at the old lytham horse trials. apparantly a 1 day event is being tested to see how it goes with the residents then it will be discussed from there.
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