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Post by bunny on Sept 8, 2009 20:16:38 GMT
great video, thanks for that.
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Post by dizzydora on Sept 8, 2009 21:16:56 GMT
I've been to this show for the last 3 years now and have always enjoyed it but i have to say that this year i was slightly disappointed.
The horse that fell on friday night was with us. He appears to be ok, has a few cuts and grazes but he got off very lightly as both horse and rider could've been seriously injured if not killed. The rider is very sore and bruised but again very lucky to not have more injuries.
We would like to thank everyone who helped drag him closer to the rubber matting so he could get a grip to get back to his feet because without you things would've been alot worse.
I would just also like to set the record striaght as to how the accident happened as we have heard several different things flying around. The horse was not messing around whilst waiting to go in the ring, he simply moved a back leg which went onto the highly polished floor which caused him to fall. The light man did not shine the spotlight in his eyes as the spotlight was on me as i was going down the long side on my horse at the time. The poo-picking man did not spook him, he was no where near at the time. All of this has been caught on video, one minute he's there, next minute he's gone. No messing around or anything.
The fact of the matter is, is that east of england should have provided a solid barrier on the walk way into the arena or if they didnt want to do this then they should have put a carpet down all around the exposed polished floor around the arena. Another member of our team fell and hit her head on the slippy floor on sunday night and had to be seen by the paramedics. The polished floor is a clear health and safety issue which most certainly needs to be looked at for any future events. They fully carpet it for dog shows there so why not for a horse show i may ask?.
When we arrived Betsy and her team were more than helpful, however when this incident happened the helpfulness soon disappeared and all blame was tried to be put onto the show organisers. The way she spoke to us on monday before we left after trying to get some details as to who to contact regarding the accident was appalling. It was a case of more than happy to help when everything is going their way but when its not they dont want to know. I do have to say that the royal london team were very helpful though so thank you for that.
We found that lighting at the back of the exec arena was a huge problem, the fact that there were lights all along the building and EOE would not turn them on at the request of RL was a disgrace. Finally on the sunday after an awful lot of complaints, EOE turned the lights on, just 2 nights too late! Didnt think it was appropriate to do pre-judging in the dark at the back of the exec arena, im sure alot of horses/ponies were very cautious about trotting in the pitch black as mine was.
There needs to be some sort of surface or matting out on the concrete because the speed that the winners come out of the arena at, im surprised there wasnt an accident.
I understand that it is hard to get judges but when the same judge judges 3 different types of class, it becomes a bit of a joke. We all pay good entry fee's and we all expect to be judged fairly and by judges who know something about the class they are judging. I withdrew out of a class because the judge clearly didnt know what type of class they were judging having already been judged by them in the ridden section of the type of class, and in 2 other totally different types of class. I entered 9 classes over the 3 days and i only went under 2 judges when there were 4 different ones advertised and this was in 4 different types of class. I know this happened to several other people to so i was not alone with this.
All 3 members of our team had a very sucessful show, all winning classes and some other very good results & getting into evening championships, so none of my comments are said out of bitterness before anyone thinks that.
In general we had a good time, although im afraid to say i think alot of it was down to our company, but still, had good results and a good time.
Based on this year's show and experience, not sure if we'll be going next year, we do love this show but have been left very disillusioned by the EOE staff. As i have said previously, i love this show and have done for the past 2 years so nothing against the organisers at all.
Once again, thank you to all those who helped rescue our fallen horse, it was very much appreciated.
Ps. Great video, im in it at around 7mins! ;D
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Post by geegg13 on Sept 8, 2009 22:21:01 GMT
hi dizzdora i was 2 horse back from you when your horse went over i did shout to everyone to keep back and not to crowd the door way!! And i do agree with lots of your comments we asked for the lights to go on loads of times as it was an accident waiting to happen with horse coming out and going in the main arena in complete darkness !!!!! Like yourself i have competed at RL for 3 years and this year was most defiantly the most dis organized evening performances running so late and having the pre judging in the dark !!!!! Please can the organizers re think the programme for next year I hope all your bruises and the horses wounds heal soon
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Post by dizzydora on Sept 8, 2009 22:35:10 GMT
Hi geegg13 - i wasnt on the roan, it was his new owner, he's my old horse but they were with us, i was on the dun who went in infront of him which is a good job because if i had not have been on my horse at the time of it happening then heads would've been rolling way before they did. My mum was there though next to him and she found it very distressing to see it happen even more so as he is her baby.
Yes i do agree there needs to be a big re-think of the programme as on sat night things ran so late, pre-judging were missed as people were in the main arena and were told no they couldnt go into pre-judging even though it wasnt their fault things were running late.
I was in the adult and child pre-judging in the dark, what a joke that was. They've should've just scrapped the pre-judging and done it in the main arena where there were some lights!
I will pass ur best wishes onto lauren and harvey, Thanks ;D
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Post by gypsy1 on Sept 9, 2009 6:53:32 GMT
It was a brilliant video , wish i had the patinece and talent to put something like that together .
we are in it about 3 minutes into it ..
Was so pleased with Ali eneded up Supreme in hand and res res supreme of show .
Our happy hacking hairy black carthorse .
agree about the polished floors , Leslie went flying on friday after steppping off the surface by the ring entrance onto the floor luckily only bruises ,
But throughly enjoyed the show only attending 3 this year it was nice to finish on a high ..
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Post by dizzydora on Sept 9, 2009 12:20:46 GMT
I think Dizzdora is totally wrong to moan about the east of england staff. The Royal London organisers hired the venue and should have taken full control of health & saftey. I was appaulled by the lack of it!!! kids were riding bikes everywhere including the stables, the evening performance was chaos and the lack of health & saftey horrified me. Its a miracle that there were not more accidents. While Royal London is great in theory, they seriously need to ensure that they raise their standards before they continue. I also think the Lead rein SHP was robbed in the supreme - but thats my opinion. Happy1 - unless you were there at all of the conversations we had with both RL staff and EOE staff i dont think you have the right to say that i shouldnt be moaning about the EOE staff. I think you will find that if it was your horse that had gone down on the polished floor you would be saying the same. RL asked for barriers and for lights several times but EOE would not provide them. Before you come on here saying im in the wrong i suggest you do a bit of research as to what went on and what was said because quite frankly you were not there having the conversations with the RL & EOE staff.
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Post by denzil2008 on Sept 9, 2009 12:24:33 GMT
happy 1 as you think the lead reign was robbed maybe take it up with the 3 judges that were in the ring not saying it was not nice just saying those judges made the final decision
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Post by pigsear on Sept 9, 2009 14:07:50 GMT
All the horses in the supreme were worthy of being there. From there it is upto the judges.
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Post by Helen E on Sept 9, 2009 19:36:25 GMT
Firstly, thank you to Pat Slade and everyone else involved in Royal London. Sadly, I had to take my novice home an hour after arriving at the showground in a hurricane, but our older horse did us proud and took a championship title on Friday night.
As it turned out, it was just as well that the novice had gone home, as we would certainly have missed our evening pre-judging with him due to the RIDICULOUS delay in actually starting the evening performance! We were the very first people in on Friday night for our championship, which should have started at half past five. Having battled our way through a million people swarming round the front of our carriage all with dogs (Lorry Dog pre-judging going on in the holding area for horses going in to the Exec ring!!!!!!), we finally made it in to the ring at ten past six.
Please, can I ask what the delay was in starting? It had a terrible knock-on effect on the rest of the evening, and the horrific lateness of ALL the evening classes is a repeated gripe from people who compete at Royal London. We were lucky in that we could go in, do our thng, come out, and put the horse away for the night. I pity those poor folk who were left hanging around in the dark and in a howling gale, having shown up on time for their championship only to find that all classes were running at least 40 minutes late.
I appreciate the difficulties of running a show, particularly one as large as RL, but this is a complaint that is raised year after year. I would have been bloody annoyed to have missed my young horses pre-judging due to ineptitude in actually starting the evening performance on time.
Numbers were down at RL this year, or so it seemed. If you want to keep those people loyal to your show, PLEASE do something about the timetable clashes in the evening judging. It simply isn't good enough.
You know I support your show 100% Pat, and have done for a number of years, and this is not a case of sour grapes at all (we have always done very well at RL with all of our horses!), but it would make peoples experience so much better if more effort were made to stick to the timetable. We WILL be coming next year, but are hoping that things improve.
Oh, forgot to mention, please, PLEASE, I beg you, make Peter give up his microphone. Everyone sitting near us when we watched the rest of the evening classes was complaining. He is totally inaudible on the microphone, and is only serving to annoy people watching. I know his heart is in the right place, but spectators deserve something they can actually understand.
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Post by denzil2008 on Sept 9, 2009 20:03:45 GMT
was you in the supreme then happy ,,, i would say so
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Post by dizzydora on Sept 9, 2009 21:19:47 GMT
Actually happy1 - we have sought legal advice and actually according to them both RL & EOE are responsible for health and safety. EOE are responsible for providing a venue fit for purpose (of which that clearly didnt happen around the main arena with the floor and lighting) and RL are responsible for making sure EOE provide this. As i previously said, RL were very helpful and asked for barriers before the accident but EOE would not provide them and after the accident, the barriers that EOE eventually provided were even more of a hazard. Of course everyone is entitled to their opinion but when you do not know the facts i dont really think you are in a position to pass judgement. And yes, newark & notts would be responsible if they did not provide a venue or equipment fit for purpose for puk. If you're paying to hire something then you expect it to be up to the job and safe. denzil2008- i missed the supreme unfortunately as i was sooooo tired and well in bed by then but congratulations on your win. I bet you boy was wanting to go to bed by the time it finally went in and he sounds like he handled it all very well for a baby Well done!! ;D
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Post by halfpass on Sept 9, 2009 22:05:21 GMT
I can't see what your problem is happy1, it was not your horse involved in the accident, yet you presume to tell the owner who should be accountable even though they have taken legal advise, if a risk assessment was done on all horse shows there would be none for us to compete at, you did not have to stay up to watch the supreme, that was your choice, unlike some of us, yet we are not moaning, looking at your profile I notice that you have only made four posts not one of which are positive, are you really that unhappy a person?
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Post by labryinth on Sept 9, 2009 22:27:47 GMT
It is a condition of running most shows that a risk assessment takes place. (I know, I've done my share)
However, it is impossible (unless you own the venue) to make things happen. If a request for barriers was made and denied by EofE then they HAVE to take their share in responsibility in any accident that happens as a result of them failing to provide safety equipment.
Otherwise, show organisers would have to turn up to venues armed with everything that they may possibly need, which is impractical and never going to happen.
It is a little like renting a shop in a retail outlet - whilst the shop owner has a degree of responsibility, they cannot be held solely responsible if the landlord ignores or fails to act on requests when reporting potential hazards.
That is the whole point of risk assessment - it prevents accidents from happening. The EofE showground MUST know that a slippery surface should be cordoned off, and made safe - ANY person or animal could (and did) slip on the surface. RL could not be held accountable for the unsuitable surface, but could be accountable for not ensuring that it could be accessed.
I agree with Halfpass. Whilst you are entitled to your opinion on the Supreme, problem with the surface and subsequent accident are not a matter of opinon, but one of fact and culpability.
I'm sure that vast majority on the site realise that accidents do happen, and that neither RL or EofE set out to deliberately maim and injure anybody. Also, that shows are difficult to organise and manage, but without constructive criticism, nobody ever improves.
The judging was wrong is not constructive, but your own personal opinion, whilst the issue of providing barriers to be in place before the show starts next year is constructive and helpful.
This is a classic example of how a risk assessment can prevent accidents from occurring - next year both RL an EofE will make d**n sure this will never happen again.
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Post by mayhem on Sept 10, 2009 10:10:42 GMT
I did think at equifest that the barrier to the exit was bit indifferent as i the half light, it may look open, its not solid enough.
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Post by labryinth on Sept 10, 2009 15:25:07 GMT
Also Happy1 I don't think that Risk Assessment will kill off shows - what will is the constant griping and unconstructive comments.
Most shows are run by a band of volunteers, and are a year in the planning.
It would be a very strange band of people who deliberately set out to pee off competitors and spectators and put on a pants show, with bent fixed judges.
We should all take our hats off to Pat and the like who tirelessly work towards providing shows for us all to enjoy.
What was there for amateurs before RL? Whilst things did go wrong this year (and am sure will continue to go wrong next year, not just at RL, but across the country), I'm still grateful that somebody can and is bothered to put on events such as this, and give "normal" riders without an endless pocket something to work towards.
Unfortunately, whilst we can aspire, the majority of us will never be able to obtain that elusive HOYS/RIHS ticket.
Let us all stand up for Pat and other event organisers, and applaud the fact that these shows exist, and help them to iron out problems
Perhaps you would like to volunteer your services next year - it may be that Pat cannot find anybody else willing to do the actual commentary, and has to force her husband into it. Sometimes show organisers have to work with what they have been given, and funds are not limitless to book Raymond Brooks Ward and the like
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 10, 2009 15:43:33 GMT
Its an on going task to improve on what has happened and as an organiser of 2 other shows we are happy to listen and try to please, though some times it is highly unpractical to try and please all people,
At notts derby show, much like royal london we dont have a commitee, but an established banded of dedicated volunteers, the books stops with me, i make most of the decisions and do not have to go through a committee, and while funds allow, will try to make improvements swiftly,
With the county show being and organisation with many sub committees, decsions and improvements take longer as far more people to agree or disagree on things.
Im sure comments will be taken on board, but also you never know how many entrants you are going to get when you accept entries on the day, hence this can have a knock on effect for the evening performances, so sometimes a little paitences doesnt go a miss.
I stepped in as a co judge for some classes with well over 25 entries, had we stripped them and not worked as an efficient team, in my opnion, then we would have still been there at midnight.
I enjoyed the whole experience, besides the dog pooh and toilet incident ! but that was beyond the control of organisers.
To be honest the guests coming on here ranting and raving serves nothing other than to annoy and upset people, seriously if you have a genuine moan, put pen to paper and im sure it will be acknowledged.
I feel its a cheap shot that anyone who even doesnt sign their name to their moans can come on a web site, without even paying the price of a stamp or taking the time to form a letter, can cause upset and bad name events.
Lets face it your hear bad reports makes you not want to go in the future, BUT please look at how many people were there, how many happy people compared tothe moaners, i would say that over 95% of people were happy which isnt bad at all.
The old phrase if you cant say anything nice then dont say it at all, or say it in writing to the relevant parties rather than taking a cheap free swipe over the internet, as maybe the judge didnt like your animal as much as you do or you didnt get the placing you wanted but thats their decision on the day.
Had a lovley email from Pat today, she will be on in due course and is recovering, having run a 2 day show at about 1/4 the size if not less than RL and knowing how long it took me to recover, give the girl a break !
Re the comments about the commetary, i thought it was brilliant, highly amusing and a though for next year may be once the ponies have been brought forward into their placings a steward can get the names of rider and ponies and appropritae pronouciations to be read out as they do the lap of honour. See thats a postive comment with a possible soloution rather than just a negative whinge ....
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 10, 2009 15:49:29 GMT
Oh i have a request ......... I think that we should do formation golf cart dressage as an evening performance next year ........... flashing lights to the music of bolero ....... .Wooooo hoooooo im up for it ( did you see our little bit of formation golf buggies setting up the mini horse puissance jumps ) would be fab
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Post by ellieraga on Sept 10, 2009 15:50:43 GMT
Totally agree with the above two comments, would like to know if amy of these so called guests who i believe a couple are also members but dont want to b**** under the username so use a guest name , have you actually put a complaint in using the correct procedure ? The same thing happened after The Amateur Showing Society Champs in august, if it wasnt for the likes of Pat from RL and Andrea from ASS and there teams we wouldnt have these champs to go to, not everyone is lucky enough to qualify for HOYS and RIHS. I do believe at the end of the day the majority of this b******* is due to the fact that these people can not put on shows as good as these mentioned and dont get the number of entries, in my opinion congratulate and learn from these shows, dont constantley critisise and try to bring down to your level.
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Post by ssm on Sept 10, 2009 16:09:56 GMT
We went, enjoyed it, think I blew Reserve reserve in the inhand when my young horse on the Saturday night spent his time either bucking or rearing and was to the point of dangerous by the time I got him out - the judges seemed to do some frantic rejudging after watching his performance - my fault, so not complaining, my fault for not plugging ears!
Only frustrations were I entered both a ridden and inhand class on the Friday, won both my classes but was told I had to chose whether to do ridden or inhand in the championship - would have liked to have done both!
Oh and dog poo it was everywhere - if you have a dog pick up after it - that is not the organiser responsibility.
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Post by stephjw1 on Sept 10, 2009 16:26:24 GMT
Was yours the coloured ssm
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 10, 2009 17:02:33 GMT
No SSM was a cleavland bay
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Post by denzil2008 on Sept 10, 2009 18:34:12 GMT
the man on the mic was brill for entertainment he made me laugh and loads of people round me so enjoyed it
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Post by stephjw1 on Sept 10, 2009 20:01:14 GMT
The man on the mike is Peter Pats other half they run and organise the show and he is a very nice man he speaks to everone and makes you feel so welcolme
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Post by denzil2008 on Sept 10, 2009 20:26:55 GMT
yes he came up and spoke when i came out the supreme and shook his hand very nice man
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Post by daisey on Sept 10, 2009 20:29:27 GMT
Well Done Pat & Peter thank you for hosting such a huge event for the enjoyment of others
I did witness the horse that fell and it was horrific to see - thank god it was ok - Maybe RL should make a safer entrance to the Indoor a condition to any further booking of the show ground.
My gripe is how late Sunday night ran over - A Lot of people were leaving Sunday night because of school and work the next day - Maybe in the future Con Cors should be confined to Fri & Sat nights that would save a bit of time and the Mini Horse championship went on and on .
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Post by Helen E on Sept 10, 2009 20:48:31 GMT
The man on the mike is Peter Pats other half they run and organise the show and he is a very nice man he speaks to everone and makes you feel so welcolme Yes, I wholeheartedly agree with you, Peter is a lovely man. He is not, however, a good commentator. Doesn't stop him being a nice guy, but doesn't help those of us watching the classes!
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Post by denzil2008 on Sept 10, 2009 20:50:40 GMT
yes lovely man just need a diff voice on commentator to get everyone into it a bit more and names abv but apart from that very good
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Post by pigsear on Sept 11, 2009 10:25:47 GMT
rl, did you like the blingy browband for your little shettie we made?? All in the royal london colours too!
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Post by thecremellosociety on Sept 11, 2009 13:26:44 GMT
pigs ear i need one please in baby blue, navy and gold pony sized how much etc
emma x
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Post by byron on Sept 11, 2009 20:12:38 GMT
anyone know who the photographer was?
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