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Post by marymary on Apr 24, 2007 13:47:03 GMT
Ammeretto a B
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Post by Guestless on Apr 24, 2007 13:56:25 GMT
Guestless, you have missed the point. He should not have phoned the judge to ask the question in the first place, what he wanted to do was against the rules. As a profesional producer it is his responsibility to KNOW THE RULES. If he had known the rules he would not have made the enquiry surely. Ah yes, maybe I did miss the point. I mis-read the previous post - I thought he had phoned the show secretary or show society to check.
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Post by m and ms on Apr 24, 2007 14:09:53 GMT
if iam right the shetland is a grey entire that lucinda craven produces??
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Post by fairenough on Apr 24, 2007 14:11:14 GMT
As someone already stated there are PLENTY of classes at lots of shows where you don't need to be going under someone you have those kind of connections with. I think that people just shouldn't do it full stop and if it can't be stopped it should be at least 2 to 3 years before you can. These kind of situations are why people think its a fix!!
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Post by WOW on Apr 24, 2007 14:49:47 GMT
Shetland Linacre Bilbury
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Post by Guestless on Apr 24, 2007 17:31:31 GMT
Thank you.
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Post by cassie on Apr 24, 2007 17:47:28 GMT
Well personally I think Rob is at fault as he earns is living from producing horses and the cob in question was a clients horse, that owner surely cannot be happy that they were stripped of their prizes. What a waste of money and time for them. There are plenty of novice cob classes throughout the year , it looks as though he was just rossette hunting - sure of a win!!
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Post by fair enough on Apr 24, 2007 18:28:44 GMT
totally agree with you cassie!! here here!!
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Post by dag on Apr 24, 2007 18:41:00 GMT
At the end of the day if Robert phoned up to check and was told he could enter, then I don't think it is fair for anyone to put the blame on him. Rules are rules, and even if you are Robert Walker you should stick to them, i think its appauling what he did. Very bad, especially for a producer, surely know one is THAT desparate for a red rosette!!!!!!
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Post by fairenough on Apr 24, 2007 18:43:07 GMT
:PQuite agree Dag!!
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Post by cassie on Apr 24, 2007 19:06:58 GMT
I bet it is the judge who is punished though! Bet Rob isn't. Judge probably be struck off or something. He is at fault for juging Rob , but surely Rob is mor at fault for putting him in that position - the whole thing just stinks to me!!!
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Post by dag on Apr 24, 2007 19:30:20 GMT
I bet it is the judge who is punished though! Bet Rob isn't. Judge probably be struck off or something. He is at fault for juging Rob , but surely Rob is mor at fault for putting him in that position - the whole thing just stinks to me!!! I agree, if i was a judge (and especially a new one) i would be too nervous of stopping the class to ask a producer to leave the ring, id be shaking in my boots, such a bad position to be put in
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Post by cassie on Apr 24, 2007 19:35:44 GMT
Exactly!!! Well hopefully he will think twice before he does something like this again!!
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Post by charlene on Apr 24, 2007 20:39:52 GMT
It seems strange to me that Robert has been producing for 12 years and has never done anything wrong before. He probably spends most of his time riding horses for his clients (what he is paid for) and not reading rule books. Unlike a lot of producers he is not on the committees and doesn't judge or have judges over for dinner, and doesn't use his position to win red rosettes either. PS wasn't the cob fab!
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Post by Scotty on Apr 24, 2007 21:00:36 GMT
Well put, I think people are forgetting that 2 judges stood in the ring that afternoon and both have a equal say, personally having watched the class I think that it was a fair result.
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Post by Rules are rules on Apr 24, 2007 21:05:37 GMT
Rules are rules, regardless of the amount of time he spends riding horses, he is taking clients money to do a job and he needs to make sure that he knows the rule books!
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Post by Scotty on Apr 24, 2007 21:19:54 GMT
I think this thread has run it's course now, can we end the witch hunt please? I for one would give anything for Robert Walker to produce my horse fingers crossed one day this will happen, but for the moment he is full but boy do I wish I was one of his clients.
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Post by edwina on Apr 24, 2007 21:38:42 GMT
The top and bottom of this matter is Rob should'nt have gone in the ring, he his a producer and his paid by his clients to produce there horses. Whilst he has done this, he has broken the rules hence him being disquailfied!! He should have known better and on this occassion made him self look a fool. I heard him shouting to another show man that he did'nt need to read the rules at this show. Does Rob think he his above the rule book, don't think so.
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Post by kilty on Apr 24, 2007 22:08:57 GMT
I do see why everyone is upset over this one, but lets look on the positive side: RW disobeyed the BSHA rules. RW was stripped of his winnings. Surely that's just what we all want to see - a big name being held accountable for their actions and not being allowed to get away with things? Whatever happened between the parties concerned is their own business, what is important is that the BSHA have resolved this in the open and responded to a member's complaint regarding the running of an affiliated class without undue difficulty and in a timely manner. Let's hope all the societies are as prompt and that there are members out there who will follow the lead and make complaints if something isn't right
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Post by Guestless on Apr 24, 2007 22:10:22 GMT
I do see why everyone is upset over this one, but lets look on the positive side: RW disobeyed the BSHA rules. RW was stripped of his winnings. Very true. Not often your thoughts are so rational!
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Post by kilty on Apr 24, 2007 22:11:18 GMT
I occasionally see straight through the drunken haze...
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Post by interested on Apr 25, 2007 18:13:01 GMT
there is not much talk of the mounties, what did everyone think?
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Post by bob fan on Apr 26, 2007 7:13:22 GMT
What the ones that were red coats and always get their man --mmmm how lucky would that be to always get your man , watch out Mark Tamplin
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Post by mr justice t on Apr 26, 2007 11:21:34 GMT
It seems strange to me that Robert has been producing for 12 years and has never done anything wrong before. He probably spends most of his time riding horses for his clients (what he is paid for) and not reading rule books. Unlike a lot of producers he is not on the committees and doesn't judge or have judges over for dinner, and doesn't use his position to win red rosettes either. PS wasn't the cob fab! charlene, he should know the rules. Anyway i've wrote a letter of complaint to British Show Horse with regards to Mr Walkers actions and also the judges for this incident to happen.
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Post by xsophiex on Apr 26, 2007 19:19:49 GMT
Hi x
Well Done Lauren & Ur Fell that is great See u soon
Sophie xxxx
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Post by size 0 on Apr 26, 2007 22:20:24 GMT
I do applaud those who complained about the judge rule break and wish I had the nerve to do so, although after complaining once about a judge not adhering to the rules and receiving short shrift from the judge, competitor concerned and relevant society it rather put me off.
If more people (myself included) stood up and complained correctly, and in a polite manner, this rule breaking would not happen.
How I read the rules the judge here seemed to be more at fault by not declaring an interest and asking the said competitor to leave, the onus being on the judge not to judge said competitor. Perhaps we are going to have to introduce a written test for judges "Know your rule book"? " not just know your confirmation - but then thats a whole new thread!!!!
Purely for interest sake and no I don't want names, how was the complaint raised? Another competitor, bystander, show sec.
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Post by edwina on Apr 27, 2007 5:04:50 GMT
I do applaud those who complained about the judge rule break and wish I had the nerve to do so, although after complaining once about a judge not adhering to the rules and receiving short shrift from the judge, competitor concerned and relevant society it rather put me off. If more people (myself included) stood up and complained correctly, and in a polite manner, this rule breaking would not happen. How I read the rules the judge here seemed to be more at fault by not declaring an interest and asking the said competitor to leave, the onus being on the judge not to judge said competitor. Perhaps we are going to have to introduce a written test for judges "Know your rule book"? " not just know your confirmation - but then thats a whole new thread!!!! Purely for interest sake and no I don't want names, how was the complaint raised? Another competitor, bystander, show sec. Yes, it was by another well known competitor, who would not let the issue drop until Rob was stripped of!
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Post by Guestless on Apr 27, 2007 8:53:23 GMT
Yes, it was by another well known competitor, who would not let the issue drop until Rob was stripped of! Which was probably a good thing since he/she will be less likely to be hit with implications like some of us plebs!
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Post by Jo Jenkins on Apr 27, 2007 10:41:21 GMT
Size 0 I agree with most of what you say. However the last line of rules under Exhibitors says basically that an Exhibitor cannot do anything which breaches any of the rules under Section 4 whcih is the judges bit so they are both equally guilty of breaking rule 4 E (i).!! I must say it is one of the most basic ones and a rule that all the socities have. He must have known he was on a sticky wicket in the first place really to start making the phone calls. I am glad the other well known person did not let it drop as someone else put it, at least that means that there is not one rule for one and one rule for another, however large that other persons fan base is!! Now I have done it, all the RW groupies will be coming on to slag me off! Please don't we all know that other than not bothering to know the rules by whcih he is making a living, he does a good job!
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Post by amos17 on Apr 27, 2007 20:39:12 GMT
robert walker entered the class on friday knowing he new who the judge was and he blatantly went under him, hoping no one would cotton on what was going on. because they are proffesionals they think they can get away with blue murder. it is about time someone put these people in there places. And for the comment about him not being a judge, and some judges going to dinner with other judges, how do we no he does'nt do it.
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