jonp
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Post by jonp on Feb 19, 2010 19:57:38 GMT
After 4 years Haylea, our lovely groom, has decided to give up horses. Her job involves looking after Glenns' Connie and Jamies' 17.2hh hunter and most people know the standard of PRP Team turnout. We attend around 15 shows a year and any applicant would need an HGV and a Trailer license. That said, the job comes witha superb one bed flat (all bills paid) with more than enough room for a partner. Check out the property on www.whitehill-farm.co.uk. On top of that, take home for a normal single taxpayer would be around £230 per week. Please help, just no-one suitable seems to apply. What are we doing wrong?
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Post by stormyskies on Feb 19, 2010 20:12:15 GMT
wow wish you lived nearer us!!!
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Post by dawnie on Feb 20, 2010 22:24:48 GMT
good grief times change. long time ago (very long lol) when I worked as a groom the pay was pants, live in all found and then just pocket money on top. Hope you find somebody.
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Post by traffik on Feb 20, 2010 22:45:02 GMT
jonp, in order to employ a groom to meet youre standards and to drive lorry, your wages are rubbish, we pay professionals £10 per hour for a forty hour week, ie 400 quid, plus overtime, what you offer is just not enough, regardless of the standard of the accom. the old adedge pay peanuts you get monkeys springs to mind.
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Post by fredaf on Feb 21, 2010 0:10:41 GMT
thats a bit unfair, traffik, Jonp has said all bills paid I assume thats what it means ie heating, hot water, phone etc there's a big difference between being warm in nice accomodation with no peeling paint and tatty bathrooms and having more per hour but having to pay rent and electricity/gas etc on top and arrange all this yourself.
Maybe the problem is the HGV? - although not difficult to arrange a weeks course it maybe is expensive to fund if you are on a basic wage or working freelance with little time to spare, however very valuable once you have it. Perhaps you could start with someone who already has the trailer certif and offer to fund/part fund the HGV as long as they had already been driving smaller boxes.
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Post by Jenna on Feb 21, 2010 8:30:35 GMT
i think its a VERY good deal
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Post by gypsy1 on Feb 21, 2010 12:29:32 GMT
Your job and package sounds a very good deal , I remember when Christopher and dragonara were competing and Your standards have always been very high which you have always carried through to today with Jamie and Glen .
I gave up top level grooming as to have a better quality of life but with your package any groom willing to groom and help to produce to such a level should jump at the chance , Sounds like they could have it all ..
Good luck but i may get shot down for saying it , there are not the quality grooms out there available ..
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Post by dancer on Feb 21, 2010 14:33:08 GMT
I'm not a groom but it sounds like a good deal to me.
Don't forget the £230 offered is TAKE HOME pay - the £400 wage would be reduced once tax has been paid.
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Post by dsmum on Feb 22, 2010 12:52:01 GMT
I had similiar problems and I offered 300 week take home for 5 day week plus more for shows and free livery for 2 horses........I then put an ad on yard and groom and had loads of people about 50% met the spec. I now have a fantastic groom. Good luck!
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Post by beckie on Feb 22, 2010 12:58:09 GMT
I think the problem is the HGV license? If I had one I would be more than happy with the wage plus accommodation! ;D
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Post by teddybearspicnic on Feb 22, 2010 19:44:21 GMT
This is the first time I have posted on here, although have been a member for a couple of years.. What you are offering is extremely reasonable - all my grooms over the past few years have been on very similar salaries - and I am sure mine have to work longer hours etc due to the large number of horses here. I think the slight probvlem might be with the LGV licence - maybe we've just been lucky as we've always found people word of mouth - except for using Yard & Groom on one occasion with very good results. Good luck - and if I hear of anyone, I'll certainly point them in your direction - you would be fantastic employers.
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Post by traffik on Feb 22, 2010 21:54:04 GMT
staff of distintion, is the agency for all those with starry ideas of life with horses, your paid for the hours you work, accom/bills inc in package surely you would still expect a professional wage, if youd trained for 5+ years and if you have hgv, surely expect min wage for that a lone, your equine skill on top of that and not forgeting all those out of hours work. ITs not just a job but a career, 20 yrs ago one could earn the salary offered there is inflation to consider too.
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Post by traffik on Feb 22, 2010 22:00:40 GMT
I think its high time employment in eqestrianism came under the flag of the jockey club rules. it will be a bit of a wake up call for employers im sure
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Post by honeypot on Feb 23, 2010 11:03:05 GMT
You have to except not every one wants to live in, is it for your convenience or theirs? Are you ofering more if they don't live in? If your old enough and experienced to drive I lorry I would expect to earn at least £10per hour. I pay my relief groom £10-15per hour depending on the amount she has to do,and I am glad of her help. When I left school I worked as a groom for essentailly pocket money and my board.I liked who I worked for but when I look back I now realise I was subidising their life style. Even as a teenager I realised that I had no prospects of earning much more so I soon got out of it. Perhaps you should think of renting the flat out and paying someone part time. At £6 an hour, someone could work in Tesco's or McDonalds for that. I think the lads in Newmarket who just muck out get more than that. I would like to know how teddybearspicnic covers the minium wage, or are they under 18 and training?
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Post by katewelshcobs on Feb 23, 2010 11:34:48 GMT
Hi having been a groom in the past (for a few knowns too) i have to say that im not surprised you cant find somebody!
There arent many good employers out there, most expect your blood sweat and tears for very little reward!
And no before you say i wasnt afraid of "a bit of hard work" but when you work over 12hours a day everyday with inadequate breaks and lack of holidays-the bad ones put you off!
Ive also done freelance for somebody (travelling groom-at the drop of a hat as they were stuck)-and it took me nearly 6months to get my wages out of them!
Im quite sure there are excellent employers out there but there too few and far between!
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Post by ellieraga on Feb 23, 2010 12:04:00 GMT
Seems a very good deal to me and looks a fab place for anyone to live All bills are paid and £230 a week in wages , also ad states wouldnt mind a couple living there Some people seem out to knock everything, would be very interested to hear who takes job and how much they enjoy it Hope you find someone soon
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jonp
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Post by jonp on Feb 23, 2010 16:57:09 GMT
There seems to be some confusion as to the value of this package. It would equate to £25000 per year - West Berks rates on the flat alone are £980 per year!
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halfpass
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Post by halfpass on Feb 23, 2010 17:56:22 GMT
god if I was twenty years younger
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Post by sallyw on Feb 24, 2010 10:33:44 GMT
I bet it is the HGV license requirements that puts people off. Why dont you offer someone who is interested a training package so they could get their license. Or of course get a smaller lorry!! Good luck in ifnding someone.
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Post by traffik on Feb 24, 2010 14:02:45 GMT
we pay £200 per day,for a driver for our hgv wagon.
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Post by hp on Feb 24, 2010 14:29:19 GMT
Bloody Hell Traffik I will come and drive it for you for that. As a professional HGV driver I only earned £28k a year. Dont kid yourselves its a brilliant paying job! And that is loooooooong hours!!!!!!!!
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jonp
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Post by jonp on Feb 24, 2010 21:27:24 GMT
we pay £200 per day,for a driver for our hgv wagon. At the £10 per hour you quoted earlier -that's a twenty hour day! I do hope your chap is using his tacho, but at £50,000 per year he has probably got an electronics degree as well.
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Post by traffik on Feb 25, 2010 3:57:36 GMT
Our driver is female. Try horsequest to advertise your positition lots of showing yards use it.
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Post by rhyfeddol on Feb 27, 2010 19:18:00 GMT
I very rarely post on here but felt the need to comment. Ive worked as a groom both living in and away (years ago) and which ever way neither had a reflection on the wages been offered here. So her goes a slight breakdown Wage £400 a week from traffik (advert offering £230 after tax and N.I) Rented property £85 a week (not many at this price) Electric Min £15 week Gas min £15 a week Council tax (mid terrace 2 bed) our area £15 week water rates £10 a week Tv licence £3 a week Left from wages £257 then take what the tax man wants then N.I Anybody here my cry. I hold a class 2 H.G.V licence and cert of competence travelling horses on journeys over 8 hrs. Ive driven for countless horse transporters, showjumpers, eventers and showing people and yet to find one thats prepared to give more than £120 a day and thats top rate and you need a spanner to get it out of them. I drove a lorry to portugal fopr a well known showjumper last year and was handed £400 for a 4 day trip and my flight home came from that too, but id do it again i had a great time and met some lovely people and the same would probably happen again. I have excellent references available and would be more than happy to offer my services at a lesser rate traffik. Something we should also put into consideration we all know horse jobs dont pay well however there is some job satisfaction When i was transporting internationally for a company i got £85 a day (this is still pretty much the going rate for horse transporters now) and drove ridiculous hours dealt with hidious horses, got injured and dealt with difficult people but had the opportunity to do things some people only dream about and done things i treaure and never forget. So basically if a person who loves horses, likes showing and can drive a big lorry can go do this job and enjoy it and maybe earn a little less than they would stacking shelves which they hate, which way would they go? I know what id do. But looking at my previous rough calculation and thats something taken from our area there aint much in it. All this person wants is a groom and a little assistance to find one. At no point did i see in there post a request of a guide to how much she should pay, how many hours to work e.t.c. Personally i thinck what you have to offer is very reasonable and should continue your search and maybe try, yard and groom or horsequest. Best of Luck James Longbottom
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Post by Artistic on Feb 28, 2010 19:59:55 GMT
Rhyfeddol, a karma for your excellent response and some common sense!
Traffik, when all equine employers have to come under the Jockey Club, an awful lot of them will have give up employing. The businesses who DO come under their guidance are just that, businesses. People like me, amateurs who have happy employees with benefits which they appreciate but the Jockey Club would not, would simply not be able to continue to employ them.
Good luck jonp in finding the right person.
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Post by katewelshcobs on Mar 1, 2010 10:08:22 GMT
Rhyfeddol-i bet i know exacty who the showjmper is too! ha ha lol good advice
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Post by ballaghstud on Mar 1, 2010 16:29:09 GMT
wish i was near you! would definately be applying!
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Post by m@m on Mar 2, 2010 14:54:09 GMT
i worked on beautiful yard with fourteen in, lived in main house, six day week, 8-five with hour lunch and every other evening had to do evening stables( feed, adjust rugs, skip out fourteen) also had two youngsters there, (to be done in own time) who could only be turnout in school while i mucked them out, as they were colts, and got about 140? so i think to have your own private accomodation and 230 plus im sure other perks, and with people you know have high standards and who do well is not a bad deal if that is the work you want to do, like most people on here its the hgv thats the sticking point
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Post by simbad on Mar 3, 2010 12:50:09 GMT
omg supporting the original post too, i too would love to apply but sadly can only drive up to 7.5 tons
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Post by folk opera! on Mar 22, 2010 18:23:34 GMT
id apply if i could drive lol wen i was a groom i wasnt on that much and didnt have the accomodation either i think its a great offer
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