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Post by cheryl on Mar 6, 2010 21:10:36 GMT
What do people think of using a waterford on 4 year olds. Currently my girl is in a wilkie but a thin one and it cuts her mouth slightly i swapper her to an eggbut and she hates it. I wasnt really thinking of using a waterford but i have one and thought maybe i ould try.
What bit would everyone suggest?
Thank you
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Post by Milliesmum on Mar 6, 2010 21:14:21 GMT
Depends who's on the other end of the reins!!!! Any bit is only as mild or severe as the hands using it.
If she doesn't like the single jointed bit, have you tried a mullen mouth or a french link?
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Post by cheryl on Mar 6, 2010 21:22:23 GMT
She does like the single joint she is very light in her mouth but as the wilkie is a very thin bar it cuts one side of her mouth. She has always been in single joint and doesnt seem to mind it.
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Post by cheryl on Mar 6, 2010 22:02:43 GMT
ahhh yes never thought about that. Dont think i would have used it to be honest as i was a bit waryy anyway. Thanks for that though never even thought of it
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Post by langwedh on Mar 6, 2010 22:03:47 GMT
i got a 4yo that i just broke at work, i broke her into a french link fulmer, which she was fab in, she had her teeth done last week, and had a wolf tooth took out, and since she hasn't been the same in the fulmer, so i tried a wilkie, and she hated the single link and the fineness off it! so i've now got her in a waterford, and she seems very happy in it! But echo milliesmum, bits are only as harsh as the riders hand!!
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Post by cheryl on Mar 6, 2010 22:17:06 GMT
thank you she ha her wolf teeth out and had her teeth doen a few months ago so shes not too bad. think i might put her back in a fulmer again which she had on when she was first backed and see how she is in that.
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Post by tabbyx on Mar 6, 2010 22:33:58 GMT
my 4 year old section a is in a french link fulmer(the strongest bit he's ever been in) and goes nicely in that. i'd try the bit wrap if she likes the bit. good luck x
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Post by sarah00000 on Mar 7, 2010 11:18:51 GMT
My little Mini always had her bits wrapped in latex, which made her much more comfortable.
However, the NS range of pony bits are brilliant and kind. She goes in their starter bit like an angel, as its so well designed, it doesnt hurt her. No need for latex with them.
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 7, 2010 12:55:39 GMT
I would go with the N.Scheule or a KK though would first seek the advice of my dentist. I would not use a Waterford or a Wilkie for a baby.
I have never used a Waterford but believe they are helpful for a pony who has learnt to lean. A wilkie can cause fabulous leaning so I suppose a waterford would be used to correct that.
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Post by sarahp on Mar 7, 2010 13:13:55 GMT
As I've said elsewhere, two of my daughter's big horses were ridden at times in Waterfords - in both cases they needed more brakes in certain situations but neither would tolerate a curb of any sort. Both too were sensitive horses and the Waterford was very well received, rather to my surprise as it looks horrible! Like you S & O I wouldn't use one of those or a Wilkie on a baby but hope to avoid the need by careful choice of suitable snaffle and correct schooling!
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Post by network on Mar 7, 2010 18:00:39 GMT
I would have thought that a wilkie is too harsh for a baby too
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Post by cheryl on Mar 7, 2010 18:25:59 GMT
She came back in a wilkie after being backed so that is what i have kept her in. Tried her in a fulmer today she just doesnt like it. She just must not like the fixed ring. She gets a little strong in anything other than the wilkie. Will have to try something else. Dont want to keep swapping and changing all the time.
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 7, 2010 20:12:33 GMT
In my opinion, a wilkie should never be used to back a youngster. She will appear strong without it, she is on her forehand and the wilkie has pulled her head in, simple as and she will therefore not have been started using the engine behind. A lot of ponies in wilkies in their early days, will lower their head for relief, the wilkie will pull on the corners of the mouth making it sore and in photographs ponies can be seen opening their mouths. Eventually they will lean and take the bit with them sinking more and more onto the forehand. It is common to see half the class going on the forehand but it is ok because the head is down.
The wilkie is not dressage legal for a reason and you may at a later date want to do dressage.
Hang your bridle from a gate bar or something, lift your reins and you will see the leverage action of the wilkie bit, that is what is happening in your baby's mouth.
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Post by cheryl on Mar 7, 2010 20:33:00 GMT
Yes thank you. i didnt really want her in one. I am putting her in a loose ring french link. And am starting my lessons this week. That is what i was saying today i want her to work from behind not just put her head in. So am going to really start schooling her now and making her listen and work through into the bridle.
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Post by cheryl on Mar 7, 2010 20:36:58 GMT
oh just to add. She wasnt actuallly backed in the wilkie. She was in a fulmer with keys then once she went forward she put her in a wilkie
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Post by sageandonion on Mar 7, 2010 20:45:41 GMT
Good for you cheryl, you sound like you will after a lot of hard but rewarding work, have a beautifully schooled and happy pony.
I shall give you a karma for wanting the very best for her.
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Post by cheryl on Mar 7, 2010 20:59:14 GMT
Thank you I want her to be perfectly schooled. obviously not too soon but i want her to learn correctly and to go freely as she has lovely movement once she gets going and want to get the best out if her.
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