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Post by busybusy on May 10, 2007 15:45:24 GMT
Can anyone explain why for the NPS qualifiers you have to produce the pony's owner's card in the ring. Failure to do so means the precious qualification passes to next in line (if no lower than 3rd). Why is this?
For BSPS/BSHA classes this is not required. Qualification is confirmed by the office checking that animal/rider/owner registrations were correct prior to the class taking place and qualification notices sent in post.
Who would get any pleasure out of qualifying because the winner has not got the relevent card on them?
ps. I am talking about the RIHS m&m whp quals. Not sure if this is the same for other qualifiers.
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Post by leo on May 10, 2007 15:58:31 GMT
No one but the NPS themselves can answer why i'm afraid. PUK obviously run the same concept - you carry your qualification card with you in the ring to be signed off. No card no qualification. The society staff are probably busy enough as it is at this time of year, and I doubt they want to have to check every pony that qualifies at every show. At the end of the day you dont forget to bring your riding hat or saddle to the show do you? So you should treat your membership cards the same
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Post by busybusy on May 10, 2007 16:03:42 GMT
There is no mention of any pony on this card. Just an adults name. I have no objection to joining a society to compete in their classes, but am baffled as why this card - with no pony or rider details - needs to be produced in the ring. After all you could have anyone's card!
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Post by julie on May 10, 2007 16:07:25 GMT
At Hartpury (Forest of Dean Show) a few weeks ago I was stewarding and the ridden judges were red hot on this - no card, no ticket. However at the NPS Spring Festival I was in the secretary's entering when I overheard a judge say (after presenting a championship and reserve) that both riders hadn't had their cards on them...the secretary checked straight away and one rider had definitely not renewed their membership by that day's date so I for one was confused... an observation only as I am a huge NPS fan! All these cards do make your pockets bulge though as we are so forgetful we just keep them all together!
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Post by johnwayne on May 10, 2007 16:46:25 GMT
My show jacket has no pockets , and it would not be a pretty sight to see me delving into breeches pockets!
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Post by show sec on May 10, 2007 17:15:29 GMT
After NPS Competition cards were dispensed with, the NPS found that a number of competitors had won and picked up the qualifying card and rosette with no intention of becoming members or entering the finals. Therefore, the NPS introduced the new system this year so that their own members could have a chance of competing in the finals as long as they show their current membership card if the winner wasn't a member. Better don't you think? Champions don't have to show cards unless it's a Silver Medal on offer.
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Post by johnwayne on May 10, 2007 17:39:24 GMT
Yes, Show Sec, it's much better. But I don't agree with qualification going 'as far down the line as necessary', as is sometimes the case. I'm not suggesting that NPS shows do this.
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Post by Summertime on May 10, 2007 18:51:38 GMT
I definately agree this is a much better system as NPS members pick up the qualifications.
I do feel that if the card is in the horsebox then a runner should be given the time to go and find it just until everyone gets the message, as no one wants to qualify I'm sure just because they were not given time.
But I keep all cards in daughters pockets at all times breed cards, P UK, NPS everything she look a little large round the hips but hey ho!
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Post by Wales on May 10, 2007 19:21:08 GMT
i was very very very lucky at the start of the year to win a nps qualifier and i didnt have my nps card with me as it was not a class that would go into a silver medal championship (i was still going on last years rules). the judge let a runner go back to the lorry and get it as he said that he had let a lot of people already do that as NOBODY knew about the new rule!!! This was 1 of the first nps 07 qualifiers and it had not been made clear in any of the info nps send out(except 1 little line in the rule book but who reads that? ) i deffinatly think it is a better system now with just nps members picking up quals and will not make the mistake of not having membership card with me again!!
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Post by NativePony Novice on May 10, 2007 19:24:23 GMT
You might be able to help answer my question regarding this as well ! (Sorry for jumping on your post !)
I own the pony, it is in my name, I am the member of the NPS however a friend takes him in the ring, both for ridden and in-hand classes. Is it sufficient for them to have my card in my name with them in there pocket or do they as the rider have to have a membership of there own !
I would not like to miss out on qualifiying for anything by this error !
( We are talking about the Scottish NPS here and there qualifiers for Blare in particular , if that makes any difference )
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Post by welsh on May 10, 2007 19:34:05 GMT
only the owner needs to be a member unless you qualify for olympia on which when you qualify before the finals the rider must also become a member.
so i presume the exhibter will carry your membership card.
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Post by Guestless on May 10, 2007 19:35:16 GMT
You don't have to have carry a card for NPS Scottish qualifiers as you are able to become a member after qualifying. If your pony was to win a Silver Medal championship, then the rider/handler would require to have the owner's card in their pocket as the rules state "the owner must be a member" and don't mention the rider/handler.
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Post by Dee Jay on May 10, 2007 21:13:32 GMT
We lost out on a qualifier early on in the season because the NPS card was in the jacket of the rider in the previous class. They were very strict on the rules and no-one was allowed to go back to the lorry to get it. We then rang the NPS explaining that with 3 riders and one owner, we needed duplicate cards. They were very helpful and sent duplicates by return of post. Everyone at the show, including us, thought that we only needed to have the card if it was an Olympia qualifier but on reading the rule book, it must be shown for every qualifier.
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Post by nps member on May 10, 2007 21:15:44 GMT
if only 1 person in top 3 has a membership card and it isnt produced in the ring,if the judge is nice thry will let you go and get it,i was 3rd in a worker qualifer and 2nd was a member but had no card in ring so the judge had to give me the qualifier.
also as far as im awere for all qualifers you need to be atleast a stanard member for qualification to stand,unless it is a breed show
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learnt by our mistake
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Post by learnt by our mistake on May 10, 2007 21:25:07 GMT
Last year we paid our NPS membership at the beginning of Feb. We were extremely lucky in March to win a silver medal. My daughter had her old card in our pocket as NPS had not sent out the new one. We had our silver medal taken off us as the steward was a probationary judge and was quite rightly on the ball. Even though our cheque had been cashed four weeks previously we were told we should have chased it up. I understand that rules are rules, but please be warned and don't make the same mistake as us.
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Post by Guestless on May 10, 2007 22:05:14 GMT
We then rang the NPS explaining that with 3 riders and one owner, we needed duplicate cards. They were very helpful and sent duplicates by return of post. That's interesting as I wondered what would happen if an owner had 2 ponies in the same class - but by what you have said, they can ask for a duplicate membership card which seems fair enough.
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Post by geegee69 on May 13, 2007 18:40:20 GMT
When you join a society and receive the rule book it is your responsibility to read the rules!! I presume when exhibitors enter classes they read the rules for the class they are entering i.e. novice, or home produced, m & m, show ponies etc etc. So there is no excuse is there!
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