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Post by welshab on Feb 11, 2011 10:14:51 GMT
I diddnt realise how lucky i am i have a pony who actually enjoys having his tail pulled you'd think he was having a massage if you saw him having it done (strange pony) but i don't do it all in one go, i do it about 2 or 3 times. i'm not a fan of clipped tails, my friend does it and it looks terible but she doesnt do it as artisticly as some of you on here. i would rather have a plaited tail than a clipped one. have never tried a rake but they sound really good, are they any good on manes?
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Post by cuddles on Feb 11, 2011 11:43:30 GMT
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Post by sally1 on Feb 11, 2011 14:47:39 GMT
As the owner of a horse who had its tail clipped before I owned her, I would not recommend clipping tails! I don't do showing (apart from very occasionally a local riding club show) and as I love to see a full tail, I have been growing it out. The growing hair looked and felt like a bog brush. And even though her tail grows extremely quickly it has taken nearly 4 years to grow out fully.
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Post by armada on Feb 11, 2011 14:52:59 GMT
We tried to do it over the stable door with one riding pony, did'nt get as far as actually pulling anything, as soon as my friend touched its tail, it nearly had the door off its hinges and made a walloping great crack in the lining, not everything will tolerate its tail being pulled and two of mine will not stand still stable door or not, to allow you to pull it, and a good eye and a lot of practise can achieve an acceptable result. I've known two people off the top of my head lose their life trying to pull tails on animals who wont wear it, and if they are likely to react badly, either forwards or backwards, its best worked round. As for them growing back twice as bushy, I dont think so, if that was the case, my brother would have a mad afro and not be in the throes of male pattern baldness, he used my trimming blades on his head - the same ones I use on the ponies tails, and their ears and whiskers would now be totally out of control! it was a suggestion.. sorry if you took offense as your response is cleary a dig at what I wrote.... of course there are horses who wont tolerate it, the OP asked if shaved tails were OK... and asked for our opinions. I gave my opinion that shaved tales look dreadful. is your brother a horse! human hairs is not the same as horse hair. If you shave them, tails grow back very coarse and make them even more difficult to pull in future. Yes I understand it can grow back like a toilet brush, but not with more hair than before. I honestly dont agree they look dreadful if done carefully, I think with mine, unless you picked the tail up and inspected the dock underneath, you would be hard pressed to tell. Clearly my brother is not a horse, sense of humour by-pass there I think.
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Post by dazycutter on Feb 11, 2011 20:37:54 GMT
Tail pulling is a dying art. It takes years of practice. A lot of people dont pull tails as they dont know how to so resort to clipping.
I havent lost my sense of humour at all, it was said tongue in cheek.. Tails do grow back more coarse and thick after being shaved whereas humans do not :-)
Each to your own... I would never take any horse in the ring with a shaved tail and that is that.
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Post by lastchance on Feb 11, 2011 20:57:34 GMT
Tail pulling is a dying art. It takes years of practice. A lot of people dont pull tails as they dont know how to so resort to clipping. I havent lost my sense of humour at all, it was said tongue in cheek.. Tails do grow back more coarse and thick after being shaved whereas humans do not :-) Each to your own... I would never take any horse in the ring with a shaved tail and that is that. Hi all (newbie here and my first post so please be kind ) Tail pulling certainly is an art and I agree- it takes time and years of practice to get the hang of it and to get it right. I used to do mine a few hairs at a time, a couple of times a day and over a course of weeks and never had any problems with any of my horses when I took my time over it and didn't get overly ambitious as to how many hairs at a time I tried to "pluck". I personally think nothing beats the look of a well pulled tail that's pulled the "old" way. Combs in the right hands can produce good results but I never managed as good results with a comb as I did when pulling tails with fingers alone. I'd never go anywhere near a horse's tail with clippers though. Sorry to those in favour of shaved tails but they look hideous.
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Post by boothsdale on Feb 11, 2011 20:59:41 GMT
Personally I really dislike clipped tails. Would echo the comments above about pulling being a dying art!
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Post by armada on Feb 12, 2011 0:25:40 GMT
Not in our house, we can quite competently pull tails and manes, but if we have ponies that object, and for the sake of vanity, I may put myself through certain procedures, but for them as they dont understand how to get with the programme I wont, please dont assume that everyone who trims a tail or clips it is an ignoramus. And as they say, that is that!
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Post by Philippa on Feb 12, 2011 9:49:38 GMT
I also am fully capable of pulling tails and have done for years but unfortunately raydar just will not wear it. When he came to me 6 years ago from his breeder he gave me 2 pieces of advice. One was never pull his tail!!!! I have tried.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 12, 2011 10:04:12 GMT
I think for the sanity and welfare of the horse if they dont like it and you are doing it correctly ( warm body, clove oil and a bit at a time) why would you hurt them, would you subject your child to it if they didnt like it, and not sure how your would feel about someone plucking my nether regions, ok some maybe dont mind at thats fine but why traumatise it when solo combs, razors/ rakes can be used to a similar effect, i do not like seeing tails clipped, and i always blend them in well so not a obvious difference and never take from the middle, but you can acheive good results with the new tools and methods.
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Post by jinja on Feb 12, 2011 11:42:05 GMT
I think a well pulled tail is a rarity these days, even some producers resort to clipping down the sides. I would aways prefer a well pulled tail, I have never seen a clipped and thinned out tail that looks as good as a professional pulled one. Can we see some pictures of good examples as I will always bow down if proved to be wrong. I also think that no matter how tolerant your horse is, a lot of people find it easier and quicker to clip down the sides and blend the middle with a rake. I am guilty of doing this on occasion but only because I am not the worlds best tail puller.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 12, 2011 13:57:07 GMT
Sadly no recent pictures as have had M & M & coloured for many years will look for one of dinky pops who was only local level and cass my show cob, will let you decide weather razored or pulled, as never said what i did with my own ponies as can do both ways and some more tolerant .... off piccy hunting
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Post by jonjo1 on Feb 12, 2011 13:58:19 GMT
If a tail is clipped correctly. You cannot say it looks like a bog brush. Its obvious to any one, think of the pony and its much more humane. Get it right would you like me to come and pull your hair out. Bet you bloody well would not.
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Post by thecremellosociety on Feb 12, 2011 13:58:57 GMT
You cant really see but here is my ex riding school cob come local show cob, with all his faults but a super tail you cant really see am looking for more OK very out of focus but am trying you can see general shape x
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Post by traceyd on Feb 12, 2011 20:00:19 GMT
I have yet to see a clipped tail that looks good, only my opinion!
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Post by gypsy1 on Feb 12, 2011 21:08:05 GMT
Pulling a tail is a dying art and when done properly looks fantastic , no clippers ,combs or rakes can achieve the same great look .
seems shortcuts are an easy option instead of learning a skill .
God people will using plastic squares to do quarter marks next !!
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Post by victoria (highhill) on Feb 12, 2011 21:50:09 GMT
God people will using plastic squares to do quarter marks next !! LOL
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Post by bowditchblobs on Feb 13, 2011 12:11:48 GMT
The best bit about doing quater marks is the art of it!!!! Hate stensils!!!
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Post by showingfanatic on Feb 13, 2011 13:22:35 GMT
Echo some of the above comments, imo; clipped tails will never look as good as a proper pulled tail. Of course if the pony will not tolerate pulling there's nothing much you can do, it would have to be clipped/tidied up with a razor which can look decent if done properly and subtly! Tails that practically scream 'i've been clipped' look awful. But equally, have seen some incorrectly pulled tails that have been pulled to within and inch of their life (my SP's tail was practically bald when I got him) that can look just as bad. Pull properly and you will have a lovely shaped tail, clip/razor subtly if you have to and you'll probably get away with it.
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Post by dazycutter on Feb 14, 2011 18:49:19 GMT
who ever said those who dont pull tails is an ignoramus.. I dont think anyone on this thread has said that..there are reasons people dont pull tails... difficult horses being one, and not knowing how to being the other..
My one TB would kick you into the next county if you got near his tail with a comb... I used to do it with a razor and thinning scirrors, but it didnt look as good as when it was finally pulled the following year.
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Post by ewj on Feb 14, 2011 19:02:43 GMT
Whoops!! I have clipped mine - hope I don't get shouted at when we go to shows
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Post by rubyshoes1 on Feb 14, 2011 19:12:35 GMT
This will probably cause outrage but I get the vet to sedate mine, he then has the most amazing tail (thanks to a friend) & knows nothing about it!
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Post by dazycutter on Feb 14, 2011 21:11:55 GMT
This will probably cause outrage but I get the vet to sedate mine, he then has the m(ost amazing tail (thanks to a friend) & knows nothing about it! nope... sedate ours too if they wont tolerate it.. rather a few ml of sedalin and a happy horse than battle and get hurt... in fact.. most of them after having sedalin a couple of times, do in fact get used to it un sedated and then there is no need to sedate.... saying that , I am sure that wont be the case for all of them..
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Post by jinja on Feb 15, 2011 11:27:41 GMT
sedalin does not stop the pain so does not work for many. I always got the vet to sedate my mare who would not tolerate 1 hair of her mane being pulled, but would let you pull her tail until bald without a flicker. I think it is much better to get the vet than hurt them.
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